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    • further polished WS using above suggestions and also included couple of more modifications highlighted in orange are those ok to include?   Background   1.1  The Defendant received the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) on the 06th of January 2020 following the vehicle being parked at Arla Old Dairy, South Ruislip on the 05th of December 2019.   Unfair PCN   2.1  On 19th December 2023 the Defendant sent the Claimant's solicitors a CPR request.  As shown in Exhibit 1 (pages 7-13) sent by the solicitors the signage displayed in their evidence clearly shows a £60.00 parking charge notice (which will be reduced to £30 if paid within 14 days of issue).  2.2  Yet the PCN sent by the Claimant is for a £100.00 parking charge notice (reduced to £60 if paid within 30 days of issue).   2.3        The Claimant relies on signage to create a contract.  It is unlawful for the Claimant to write that the charge is £60 on their signs and then send demands for £100.    2.4        The unlawful £100 charge is also the basis for the Claimant's Particulars of Claim.  No Locus Standi  3.1  I do not believe a contract with the landowner, that is provided following the defendant’s CPR request, gives MET Parking Services a right to bring claims in their own name. Definition of “Relevant contract” from the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4,  2 [1] means a contract Including a contract arising only when the vehicle was parked on the relevant land between the driver and a person who is-   (a) the owner or occupier of the land; or   (b) Authorised, under or by virtue of arrangements made by the owner or occupier of the land, to enter into a contract with the driver requiring the payment of parking charges in respect of the parking of the vehicle on the land. According to https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/46/section/44   For a contract to be valid, it requires a director from each company to sign and then two independent witnesses must confirm those signatures.   3.2  The Defendant requested to see such a contract in the CPR request.  The fact that no contract has been produced with the witness signatures present means the contract has not been validly executed. Therefore, there can be no contract established between MET Parking Services and the motorist. Even if “Parking in Electric Bay” could form a contract (which it cannot), it is immaterial. There is no valid contract.  Illegal Conduct – No Contract Formed   4.1 At the time of writing, the Claimant has failed to provide the following, in response to the CPR request from myself.   4.2        The legal contract between the Claimant and the landowner (which in this case is Standard Life Investments UK) to provide evidence that there is an agreement in place with landowner with the necessary authority to issue parking charge notices and to pursue payment by means of litigation.   4.3 Proof of planning permission granted for signage etc under the Town and country Planning Act 1990. Lack of planning permission is a criminal offence under this Act and no contract can be formed where criminality is involved.   4.4        I also do not believe the claimant possesses these documents.   No Keeper Liability   5.1        The defendant was not the driver at the time and date mentioned in the PCN and the claimant has not established keeper liability under schedule 4 of the PoFA 2012. In this matter, the defendant puts it to the claimant to produce strict proof as to who was driving at the time.   5.2 The claimant in their Notice To Keeper also failed to comply with PoFA 2012 Schedule 4 section 9[2][f] while mentioning “the right to recover from the keeper so much of that parking charge as remains unpaid” where they did not include statement “(if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met)”.     5.3         The claimant did not mention parking period, times on the photographs are separate from the PCN and in any case are that arrival and departure times not the parking period since their times include driving to and from the parking space as a minimum and can include extra time to allow pedestrians and other vehicles to pass in front.    Protection of Freedoms Act 2012   The notice must -   (a) specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates;  22. In the persuasive judgement K4GF167G - Premier Park Ltd v Mr Mathur - Horsham County Court – 5 January 2024 it was on this very point that the judge dismissed this claim.  5.4  A the PCN does not comply with the Act the Defendant as keeper is not liable.  No Breach of Contract   6.1       No breach of contract occurred because the PCN and contract provided as part of the defendant’s CPR request shows different post code, PCN shows HA4 0EY while contract shows HA4 0FY. According to PCN defendant parked on HA4 0EY which does not appear to be subject to the postcode covered by the contract.  6.2         The entrance sign does not mention anything about there being other terms inside the car park so does not offer a contract which makes it only an offer to treat,  Interest  7.1  It is unreasonable for the Claimant to delay litigation for  Double Recovery   7.2  The claim is littered with made-up charges.  7.3  As noted above, the Claimant's signs state a £60 charge yet their PCN is for £100.  7.4  As well as the £100 parking charge, the Claimant seeks recovery of an additional £70.  This is simply a poor attempt to circumvent the legal costs cap at small claims.  7.5 Since 2019, many County Courts have considered claims in excess of £100 to be an abuse of process leading to them being struck out ab initio. An example, in the Caernarfon Court in VCS v Davies, case No. FTQZ4W28 on 4th September 2019, District Judge Jones-Evans stated “Upon it being recorded that District Judge Jones- Evans has over a very significant period of time warned advocates (...) in many cases of this nature before this court that their claim for £60 is unenforceable in law and is an abuse of process and is nothing more than a poor attempt to go behind the decision of the Supreme Court v Beavis which inter alia decided that a figure of £160 as a global sum claimed in this case would be a penalty and not a genuine pre-estimate of loss and therefore unenforceable in law and if the practice continued, he would treat all cases as a claim for £160 and therefore a penalty and unenforceable in law it is hereby declared (…) the claim is struck out and declared to be wholly without merit and an abuse of process.”  7.6 In Claim Nos. F0DP806M and F0DP201T, District Judge Taylor echoed earlier General Judgment or Orders of District Judge Grand, stating ''It is ordered that the claim is struck out as an abuse of process. The claim contains a substantial charge additional to the parking charge which it is alleged the Defendant contracted to pay. This additional charge is not recoverabl15e under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4 nor with reference to the judgment in Parking Eye v Beavis. It is an abuse of process from the Claimant to issue a knowingly inflated claim for an additional sum which it is not entitled to recover. This order has been made by the court of its own initiative without a hearing pursuant to CPR Rule 3.3(4)) of the Civil Procedure Rules 1998...''  7.7 In the persuasive case of G4QZ465V - Excel Parking Services Ltd v Wilkinson – Bradford County Court -2 July 2020 (Exhibit 4) the judge had decided that Excel had won. However, due to Excel adding on the £60 the Judge dismissed the case.  7.8        The addition of costs not previously specified on signage are also in breach of the Consumer Rights Act 2015, Schedule 2, specifically paras 6, 10 and 14.   7.9        It is the Defendant’s position that the Claimant in this case has knowingly submitted inflated costs and thus the entire claim should be similarly struck out in accordance with Civil Procedure Rule 3.3(4).   In Conclusion   8.1        I invite the court to dismiss the claim.  Statement of Truth  I believe that the facts stated in this witness statement are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.   
    • Well the difference is that in all our other cases It was Kev who was trying to entrap the motorist so sticking two fingers up to him and daring him to try court was from a position of strength. In your case, sorry, you made a mistake so you're not in the position of strength.  I've looked on Google Maps and the signs are few & far between as per Kev's MO, but there is an entrance sign saying "Pay & Display" (and you've admitted in writing that you knew you had to pay) and the signs by the payment machines do say "Sea View Car Park" (and you've admitted in writing you paid the wrong car park ... and maybe outed yourself as the driver). Something I missed in my previous post is that the LoC is only for one ticket, not two. Sorry, but it's impossible to definitively advise what to so. Personally I'd probably gamble on Kev being a serial bottler of court and reply with a snotty letter ridiculing the signage (given you mentioned the signage in your appeal) - but it is a gamble.  
    • No! What has happened is that your pix were up-to-date: 5 hours' maximum stay and £100 PCN. The lazy solicitors have sent ancient pictures: 4 hours' maximum stay and £60 PCN. Don't let on!  Let them be hoisted by their own lazy petard in the court hearing (if they don't bottle before).
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I have settled my daugthers debts (Rossendales) for unpaid Council Tax.

 

On the print out of charges, obtained via the Council, I notice a charge for VAN. I thought that there must first be a 'Walking Possession Order' for this Van charge to be legal!

 

I asked Rossendales about this. Their reply was, if a Levy was charged, then the Van charge is legal, it could be against my daughters car parked outside. Is this possible? (Car is not on HP).

 

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they can take a levy on a car, and only if it is not on HP.

 

However if they have taken levy on a car then the van was not needed so this would only allow a levy fee and visit fee if this was the first or second visit because the law only sets out fee's for two visits no more.

 

please can you give us some more info like did you receive the first court order.

 

what are there charges.

 

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Sorry, can't be more informative...

 

 

My daughter has the full list of charges, which span Council Tax over to financial years.

 

Whilst sitting in with my daugther in the Interview Room discussing the case with the Council Debt Recovery person, I noticed the Van charge listed and lead myself to believe this was illegal (see earlier thread).

 

Does the Van have to be parked outside the house? Must it be a Recovery type of vehicle? Can it be around the corner?

 

Must there be a Court Order for car removal?

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The law does not provide for bailiffs to charge a van fee, it only provides a visit fee of £24.50 but the legislation does not mandate what mode of transport the bailiff must use.

 

The fee is not lawful and you can reclaim it by asking the council to refund you. The council is liable for its bailiffs, but if you are palmed off with contact the bailiffs then file a claim in the county court for the fees on a Form N1.

 

The bailiff is the councils responsibility as any other contractor employed by them. Dont bother trying to get a refund from the bailiffs, they will only wind you up.

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what mode of transport the bailiff must use.

What do you mean by mode of transport? Are you refering to how they arrive or the xtra vehicle brought along to move goods and or recover the car?

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I think you need to establish a table of action.

 

1. What amount was the original Liability order for and when did the Council pass it to the Bailiff?

 

2. Although you have details from the Council, contact the Bailiff Company and ask for a statement of the account including a screenshot. As a delaying tactic they may write back and ask for £10 - this is not for personal data as listed with the data Protection Act. They are obliged to give you this information.

 

3. Compare what the Council have given you and what the Bailiff has - do they tally.

 

4. Have they charged the correct fees - doesn't matter how many times they have been they can only charge for 2 visits, £24-50 & £18-00 providing no levy was made. If they did a levy on a vehicle as others have said let them prove it. You say the vehicle was not on Finance but does your daughter actually own it or was it bought for her by someone else?

 

5. If they have charged any incorrect charges you can claim them back either from the Council or the Bailiff. Despite anything they may say the Council is responsible for the Bailiff's actions. If speaking to the Council ask to see someone Senior in the Revenues dept.

 

6. If unsure post the charges etc on here for further advice.

 

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Sorry for not being better informed!

 

I'll answer what I can.

 

1. Car is owned by daughter

 

2. The printout I have seen is from Bailiff Company screen shot and is very detailed. This info was provided by the Senior Person in Revenue Dep't who was with us in the Intervew room (I believe the person was a Bailiff in earlier job?? And I believe they goes out doing similar work going to houses for Council, but not sure in what capacity!).

 

I want to query the charges listed on screen shot to ascertain legality.

 

Sorry, If I can get the screen shot over the week end and some how transfer the info onto this forum I will.

 

Thanks for the info suppled so far..

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Sorry for not being better informed!

 

I'll answer what I can.

 

1. Car is owned by daugther

 

2. The printout I have seen is from Bailiff Company screen shot and is very detailed.

 

Was this just to look at or did you actually get a copy? You can always request one if necessary as you need all angles covered.

 

This info was provided by Senior Person in Revenue Dep't who was with us in the Intervew room (I believe the person was a Bailiff in earlier job?? And I believe goes out doing similar work going to houses for Council, but not sure in what capacity!).

 

I want to query the charges listed on screen shot to ascertain legality.

 

Sorry, If I can get the screen shot over the week end and some how transfer the info onto this forum I will.

 

You can re-type or scan and post to Photobucket but make sure you obliterate all info that can identify you.

 

Thanks for the info suppled so far..

 

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I am now in possession of printout. As there are 4 x A4 sheets, I don't proposed to type it all out.

 

Here is the main section on costs.

 

Fee date Fee Type Amount

7/9/ 09 Debt 252.15

 

24/9/09 Visit Fee1 24.50

 

29/9/09 Visit Fee2 18.00

 

6/10/09 Levy fee 33.00

 

10/10/09 Attendance/Van 110.00

 

11/09/09 Payment by DC 0.80

 

11/09/09 Payment by DC 0.80

 

The Van attendance gives me cause for concern!

 

Any pointers please.

 

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As per PU's and my other post they can't charge a van fee the only other fee they could charge is for recovery of the car and that never tool place.

 

the fee for removal of a car as per magistrates court fee's set out is £125

 

Can you tell me was this a distress warrent or was this just nice council bailiffs

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I am now in possession of Rossendales Client printout. As there are 4 x A4 sheets, I don't proposed to type it all out.

 

Here is the main section on costs.

 

Fee date Fee Type Amount

7/9/ 09 Debt 252.15

 

24/9/09 Visit Fee1 24.50

 

29/9/09 Visit Fee2 18.00

 

6/10/09 Levy fee 33.00

 

Do you know what they levied on? Either they gained entry to the property or they have levied on goods outside (usually vehicles). However in both instances they have to leave the appropriate paperwork which list the goods - for articles outside this may be posted through the door. It would be interesting to see what the levy consists of. Also looks a bit on the high side.

 

10/10/09 Attendance/Van 110.00

 

This would be charged if they were attending with a view to removing goods and may be fair dependent on the levy.

 

11/09/09 Payment by DC 0.80

 

11/09/09 Payment by DC 0.80

Is the above a typo or did you make 2 payments?

 

The Van attendance gives me cause for concern!

 

Any pointers please.

 

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Not aware of any distress warrant!

 

They have not gained access to the house. Maybe car was outside. Not aware of any paperwork regarding the car. It was never touched.

 

First DC payment was made. I persuaded daugther that all should be paid. My decision for 1st and 2nd DC.

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what mode of transport the bailiff must use.

What do you mean by mode of transport? Are you refering to how they arrive or the xtra vehicle brought along to move goods and or recover the car?

 

The law doesnt provide for bailiffs to charge you a van fee. the bailiff is charging you a fee that has not been done because the van was not used to transport any goods belonging to the debtor to be sold at auction.

 

The bailiff has in fact, charged for work he has not done and commits an offence under the Fraud Act. http://angie.theyworkforyou.com/wrans/?id=2007-04-20b.93.6

 

You have a right to report the bailiff to police or your local fraud squad at the local constabulary for defauding you of money.

 

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The law doesnt provide for bailiffs to charge you a van fee. the bailiff is charging you a fee that has not been done because the van was not used to transport any goods belonging to the debtor to be sold at auction.

 

The bailiff has in fact, charged for work he has not done and commits an offence under the Fraud Act. http://angie.theyworkforyou.com/wrans/?id=2007-04-20b.93.6

 

You have a right to report the bailiff to police or your local fraud squad at the local constabulary for defauding you of money.

 

 

This interests me, as it is an area where the Bailiff has made a charge I do not agree with!

 

Can I be sure that there is not a 'get out clause' some where?

 

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Any Civil action you bring against the council to recover the bailiffs fees might be strengthened by reporting the matter to the police, any threat to report unless repayment is made could be interpreted as blackmail so just report it without telling the bailiff. It might raise the stakes for the bailiff and make him pay attention when he is questioned under caution and his DNA goes on the national database under the POCA regulations on handling a suspect in custody.

 

If you are taking the fraud route, the Fraud Act 2006 is perfect for your problem, I suggest you compile all the evidence before presenting the package to the local constabulary. Suggest you approach them via their local fraud squad by way of prior appointment with a specific detective.

 

Include the text of the Lord Lucas QA of 20 April 2007 in the House of Lords.

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Its you, because the bailiff made a false representation forcing you to make over a money transfer. You should recover the money from the council, but, if you want, you can name the bailiff as a 2nd defendant on the From N1 if you need to file a claim.

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You can use a solicitor if you like, but the form and the small claims procedure is designed for use by member of the public, and solicitors fees are not recoverable in civil claims under £5000, - and that also means the defendant cannot claim solicitors fees from you.

 

You are best going before the judge as a litigant in person , i.e. without a solicitor. Have a look through the offical advice on the HM Court Service website. Making a Claim

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yes they are working as an agent or subcontracter therfor the council have a duty of care for the peaple they employ even as an agent.

 

and as for a get out clause maybe this should help you understand the law of fraud.

 

Crime: Fraud

 

 

Lord Lucas asked Her Majesty’s Government:

  • Whether a bailiff who repeatedly charges for work that has not been done commits a fraud within the meaning of Sections 1 to 5 of the Fraud Act 2006; and, if so, which sections of the Act apply; and whether it would be right for the police to claim that such an action is a civil and not a criminal matter. [HL2743]

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The Minister of State, Home Office (Baroness Scotland of Asthal): A bailiff or any other person who dishonestly charges for work that has not been done will be committing an offence under the Fraud Act 2006. Section 1 of the 2006 Act contains the new general offence of fraud.

One means by which this offence can be committed is set out in Section 2, on fraud by false representation. This section applies where a person dishonestly makes a false representation and intends, by making the representation, to make a gain for himself or another, or cause a loss to another, or expose another to a risk of loss. It is also possible that, where a bailiff repeatedly charges for work that has not been done, this conduct will amount to fraudulent trading either under Section 9 of the 2006 Act or under the provisions on fraudulent trading in company legislation.

The decision on whether to investigate a crime rests solely with the police, who will take into account available resources, national and local policing priorities, the likely eventual outcome and the competing priorities of fraud and other criminal cases already under investigation. Such operational issues are a matter for the chief officer of the force concerned.

 

Lord Lucas asked Her Majesty’s Government:

  • Whether a person who represents himself to be a certificated bailiff, but is not, and by doing so obtains a payment or goods from a debtor, commits a fraud within the meaning of Sections 1 to 5 of the Fraud Act 2006; and, if so, which sections of the Act apply; and whether it would be right for the police to claim that such an action is a civil and not a criminal matter. [HL2744]

Baroness Scotland of Asthal: The Fraud Act 2006 created a new general offence of fraud. This can be committed by three means, one of which is by false representation. Fraud by false representation is set out in Section 2 of the Act. Where a person dishonestly makes a false representation and intends, by making the representation, to make a gain for himself or another, or cause a loss to another, or expose another to a risk of loss, that person will be committing an offence. A person who dishonestly represents to be a certificated bailiff, but is not, is likely to be committing an offence under this section. It will be necessary to show that the person was acting dishonestly in making the false representation, as well as that they intended to make a gain or cause a loss. It is immaterial whether they actually obtained a payment or goods from a debtor.

The decision on whether to investigate a crime rests solely with the police, who will take into account available resources, national and local policing priorities, the likely eventual outcome and the competing priorities of fraud and other criminal cases already under investigation. Such operational issues are a matter for the chief officer of the force concerned.

 

 

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Lord Lucas asked Her Majesty’s Government:

  • Whether a person who represents himself to be a certificated bailiff, but is not, and intends by so doing to obtain a payment or goods from a debtor, commits a fraud within the meaning of Sections 1 to 5 of the Fraud Act 2006; and, if so, which sections of the Act apply; and whether it would be right for the police to claim that such an action is a civil and not a criminal matter. [HL2745]

Baroness Scotland of Asthal: The Fraud Act 2006 created a new general offence of fraud. This can be committed by three means, one of which is false representation. Fraud by false representation is set out in Section 2 of the Act. Where a person dishonestly makes a false representation and intends, by making the representation, to make a gain for himself or another, or cause a loss to another, or expose another to a risk of loss, that person will be committing an offence. A person who dishonestly represents himself to be a certificated bailiff, but is not, is likely to be committing an offence under this section. It will be necessary to show that the person was acting dishonestly in making the false representation, as well as that they intended to make a gain or cause a loss.

The decision on whether to investigate a crime rests solely with the police, who will take into account available resources, national and local policing priorities, the likely eventual outcome and the competing priorities of fraud and other criminal cases already under investigation. Such operational issues are a matter for the chief officer of the force concerned.

 

Lord Lucas asked Her Majesty’s Government:

  • Whether bailiffs who illegally obtain entry to a debtor’s premises with the intent of obtaining payment from a debtor, or of taking possession of goods, commit a fraud within the meaning of Sections 1 to 5 of the Fraud Act 2006; and, if so, which sections of the Act apply; and whether it would be right for the police to claim that such an action is a civil and not a criminal matter. [HL2746]

Baroness Scotland of Asthal: The basic rule regarding the powers of entry for bailiffs is that there is a right of entry that may be exercised into any relevant premises. In circumstances where a bailiff illegally obtains entry to a debtor’s premises, their conduct will amount to fraud only if they dishonestly, and with the intent to make a gain or to cause a loss, make a false representation, fail to disclose information or abuse their position. While an illegal entry may be made with the intention of making a gain or causing a loss, it may well not involve the other elements necessary to commit a fraud.

The decision on whether to investigate a crime rests solely with the police, who will take into account available resources, national and local policing priorities, the likely eventual outcome and the competing priorities of fraud and other criminal cases

 

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