If solicitors can and do charge high fees! Why then can a ' Litigant in Person' not copy these high fees and lay them before a Judge when they are awarded costs? If I have spent 10 hours work on my case with support from Caggers + letters + phone calls. Why can't I claim 10x £9.25?

I am puzzled! IF, a bailiff changes his name to get around certification, what about the rest of his personal documentation? If he uses a slightly or different name. Surely if found out there would be serious consequences when standing in court? Does he change name Tax stuff, Nat Conts, Passport etc?

Sorry, this is a Council Tax issue, not Parking Ticket! Thanks

Following on from what tomtubby says. I see it thus: 1. With debtors signature on a Walking Possession, then Levy fee + Walking Possession fee are payable. 2. No debtors signature = No Levy, No Van fee chargeable! (What is Walking Possession fee in £?). Thanks

When bailiffs Levy a car on the drive, (Council Tax arrears). Do they clamp it? If it is to be removed? Does the bailiff organise a cradle lift, as I can see no way a car in gear, hand brake applied can be towed away. Reading through many of the council tax forum threads, I have not noticed any examples of this happening!

Hope everone had a nice Christmas? Anyway to keep to basics details of letter from bailiffs Co letter sent to daughter 2 days ago: 1. They had Levied car and posted 'Notice of Distress' on 6/10 and posted letter thru door (they say!). 2. 21/10. 'Van on way' letter issued. 3. 10/11. Bailiff attended property. A van attendance fee incurred £110.00 at this time, I paid outstanding Council Tax fee. (not bailiffs fees). 4. 10/11. Bailiff explained that fees had been incurred and Regs allow fees to be taken first. He stated therefore, that he would proceed with enforcement of the Liability Order if the account was not paid in full. Subsequently I paid outstanding fees. (I wanted a stress free Xmas for ALL family). My questions: Q1. Bailiff attended with a vehicle not equipped to take car away. To remove the car would require a 4 strop lift! Q2. As the fees were paid eventually in full. Was he allowed to make a charge as he did not take away goods, ie. Car? Q3. Is it worth me going forward with letter to council, then Small Claims? Q4. If I took it to court? As a layman, does Judge have full knowledge of Regs so as not to be bambozzled by a solicitor ? Q5. What is my position IF Judge decides Council/Bailiffs Co were correct? I cannot afford any costs!

I might like to add! I have the screenshot. There are 3 full pages. Baliliffs scanner working or not! All the entries would appear to be entered by a 'person'. There are 10 different users entering info on one page alone. My feelings are. The bailiff speaks directly to an Admin person at Head Office or he transfers data from a laptop along with 9 other pers. Why on earth would the bailif not enter legal jargon or details in the notes column in connection with a Van or Levy? He at that time, would not be expecting my challenge. Surely he would cover his tracks and enter the details. Maybe he will produce trumped up paperwork if I go to court?

Ummm, a possibility! So, how does the baliff account for your scenario on bailiffs screen printout? Surely, he has to make things legal! So how would he be able to produce his final report leaving out details? How would he account for his actions in court? Thanks

bazm, Unfortunately you have not been privy to the screenshot printout from Rossendales as some have. If you had, you would not have chosen the words 'poor advice here'. To remind you........It would appear the Van and Levy fees have been listed on the screen shot, but no Notice of Seizure of Goods & Inventory (Form 7) are included. Additionally, NO entry to the property was made, NO signatures made, and NO items have been removed from the property, nor has the car, sitting on the drive been touched or listed. I am open to any new interpretation or anything I may have over looked! Thanks

Q1. If and when I write to the Council claiming Van and Levy fee refund. Can I also claim for the work etc I have put in? If so! What would be acceptable? Q2. If I go to Small Claims and win. Can I claim back my fee costs, and again work put in costs?

From experience... Does anyone know if a council has ever settled genuine obvious fraud from bailiffs from a complaint letter sent to them before having to be taken to the Small Claims Court?

FAO Tomtubby. PM system possibly slow running today! Thanks

I have now scanned bailiffs Co, screen print into Jpeg format. Should any member listed on the forum thread so far wish to view it, then please send a PM so I can forward it for their scrutiny. I have drafted my letter to the Head of Revenues at the council. I have listed the Van fees £110 (two entries Nov & Dec on print out) to be refunded but did not listed the Levy £33 as I am not sure to dispute this!

Thanks for the template. Before I draft the letter I wish to understand the first sentance correctly. I received a bailiff from you on behalf of my daughter’s council tax liability To explain : I received a phone call from distressed daughter explaining situation.. I called Bailiff to arrange that I pay outstanding sum by DC. Does this fit in with template wording? Thanks

Today, I spoke to the Council Revenues Manager and explained the situation. He said that Rossendales should be approached despite me explaining that they, the Council were liable, I added that I had made the payments. The Bailiff has in fact charged for work he has not done and commits an offence under the Fraud Act. The manager said, he cannot discuss the case as it referred to my daughters debt and that he would contact Rossendales to write to my daughter to explain fees etc

A big thank you to all who have had an input this evening. 'Sleep tight'

Are Bailiffs technically working/employed for the council when recovering outstanding Council Tax fees?

I have had a look at the N1 form. Why the bit about claiments solicitors firm at the bottum? Can't I handle it myself?

Thanks, I will review options! One final question. Who takes the action for fraud, myself who paid the costs, or my daugther who had the Council Tax payment problem? Thanks

This interests me, as it is an area where the Bailiff has made a charge I do not agree with! Can I be sure that there is not a 'get out clause' some where? Thanks again

Not aware of any distress warrant! They have not gained access to the house. Maybe car was outside. Not aware of any paperwork regarding the car. It was never touched. First DC payment was made. I persuaded daugther that all should be paid. My decision for 1st and 2nd DC.

I am now in possession of printout. As there are 4 x A4 sheets, I don't proposed to type it all out. Here is the main section on costs. Fee date Fee Type Amount 7/9/ 09 Debt 252.15 24/9/09 Visit Fee1 24.50 29/9/09 Visit Fee2 18.00 6/10/09 Levy fee 33.00 10/10/09 Attendance/Van 110.00 11/09/09 Payment by DC 0.80 11/09/09 Payment by DC 0.80 The Van attendance gives me cause for concern! Any pointers please. Thanks

Sorry for not being better informed! I'll answer what I can. 1. Car is owned by daughter 2. The printout I have seen is from Bailiff Company screen shot and is very detailed. This info was provided by the Senior Person in Revenue Dep't who was with us in the Intervew room (I believe the person was a Bailiff in earlier job?? And I believe they goes out doing similar work going to houses for Council, but not sure in what capacity!). I want to query the charges listed on screen shot to ascertain legality. Sorry, If I can get the screen shot over the week end and some how transfer the info onto this forum I will. Thanks for the info suppled so far..

what mode of transport the bailiff must use. What do you mean by mode of transport? Are you refering to how they arrive or the xtra vehicle brought along to move goods and or recover the car?