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    • I understand confusion with this thread.  I tried to keep threads separate because there have been so many angles.    But a team member merged them all.  This is why it's hard to keep track. This forum exists to help little people fight injustice - however big or small.  Im here to try get a decent resolution. Not to give in to the ' big boys'. My "matter' became complicated 'matters' simply because a lender refused to sell a property. What can I say?  I'll try in a nutshell to give an overview: There's a long lease property. I originally bought it short lease with a s.146 on it from original freeholder.  I had no concerns. So lender should have been able to sell a well-maintained lovely long lease property.  The property was great. The issue is not the property.  Economy, sdlt increases, elections, brexit, covid, interest hikes etc didn't help.  The issue is simple - the lender wanted to keep it.    Before repo I offered to clear my loan.  I was a bit short and lender refused.  They said (recorded) they thought the property was worth much more and they were happy to keep accruing interest (in their benefit) until it reached a point where they felt they could repo and still easily quickly sell to get their £s back.  This was a mistake.  The market was (and is) tough.   2y later the lender ceo bid the same sum to buy the property for himself. He'd rejected higher offers in the intervening period whilst accruing interest. I had the property under offer to a fantastic niche buyer but lender rushed to repo and buyer got spooked and walked.  It had taken a long time to find such a lucrative buyer.  A sale which would have resulted in £s and another asset for me. Post repo lender had 1 offer immediately.  But dragged out the process for >1y - allegedly trying to get other offers. But disclosure shows there was only one valid buyer. Lender appointed receiver (after 4 months) - simply to try acquire the freehold.  He used his powers as receiver to use me, as leaseholder, to serve notice on freeholders.  Legally that failed. Meanwhile lender failed to secure property - and squatters got in (3 times).  And they failed to maintain it.  So freeholders served a dilapidations notice (external) - on me as leaseholder (cc-ed to lender).   (That's how it works legally) I don't own the freehold.  But I am a trustee and have to do right by the freeholders.  This is where matters got/ get complicated.  And probably lose most caggers.   Lawyers got involved for the freeholders to firstly void the receiver enfranchisement notice. Secondly, to serve the dilapidations notice.  The lack of maintenance was in breach of lease and had to be served to protect fh asset. The lender did no repairs. They said a buyer would undertake them. Which was probably correct. If they had sold. After 1y lender finally agreed to sell to the 1st offeror and contracts went with lawyers.  Within 1 month lender reneged.  Lender tried to suggest buyer walked. Evidence shows he/ his lawyers continued trying to exchange (cash) for 4 months.  Evidence shows lender and receiver strategy had been to renege and for ceo to take control.   I still think that's their plan. Lender then stupidly chose to pretty much bulldoze the property.  Other stuff was going on in the background. After repo I was in touch by phone and email and lender knew post got to me.   Despite this, after about 10 months (before and then during covid), they deliberately sent SDs and eventually a B petition to an incorrect address and an obscure small court.  They never served me properly.  (In hindsight I understand they hoped to get a backdoor B - so they could keep the property that way.)  Eventually the random court told them to email me by way of service.  At this point their ruse to make me B failed.  I got a lawyer (friend paid). The B petition was struck out. They’d failed to include the property as an asset. They were in breach of insolvency rules. Simultaneously the receiver again appointed lawyers to act on my behalf as leaseholder. This time to serve notice on the freeholders for a lease extension.  He had hoped to try and vary the strict lease. Evidence shows the already long length of lease wasn't an issue.  The lender obviously hoped to get round their lack of permission to do works (which they were already doing) by hoping to remove the strict clauses that prevent leaseholder doing alterations.   The extension created a new legal angle for me to deal with.  I had to act as trustee for freeholders against me as leaseholder/ the receiver.  Inconsistencies and incompetence by receiver lawyers dragged this out 3y.  It still isn't properly resolved.  Meanwhile - going back to the the works the lender undertook. The works were consciously in breach of lease.  The lender hadn't remedied the breaches listed in the dilapidations notice.  They destroyed the property.  The trustees compiled all evidence.  The freeholders lawyers then served a forfeiture notice. This notice started a different legal battle. I was acting for the freeholders against what the lender had done on my behalf as leaseholder.  This legal battle took 3y to resolve. The simple exit would have been for lender to sell. A simple agreement to remedy the breaches and recompense the freeholders in compensation - and there's have been clean title to sell.  That option was proposed to them.   This happened by way of mediation for all parties 2y ago.  A resolution option was put forward and in principle agreed.  But immediately after the lender lawyers failed to engage.  A hard lesson to learn - mediation cannot be referred to in court. It's considered w/o prejudice. The steps they took have made no difference to their ability to sell the property.  Almost 3y since they finished works they still haven't sold. ** ** I followed up some leads myself.  A qualified cash buyer offered me a substantial sum.  The lender and receiver both refused it.   I found another offer in disclosure.  6 months later someone had apparently offered a substantial sum via an agent.  The receiver again rejected it.  The problem of course was that the agent had inflated the market price to get the business. But no-one was or is ever going to offer their list price.  Yet the receiver wanted/wants to hold out for the list price.  Which means 1y later not only has it not sold - disclosure shows few viewings and zero interest.  It's transparently over-priced.  And tarnished. For those asking why I don't give up - I couldn't/ can't.  Firstly I have fiduciary duties as a trustee. Secondly, legal advice indicates I (as leaseholder) could succeed with a large compensation claim v the lender.  Also - I started a claim v my old lawyer and the firm immediately reimbursed some £s. That was encouraging.  And a sign to continue.  So I'm going for compensation.  I had finance in place (via friend) to do a deal and take the property back off the lender - and that lawyer messed up bad.   He should have done a deal.  Instead further years have been wasted.   Maybe I only get back my lost savings - but that will be a result.   If I can add some kind of complaint/ claim v the receiver's conscious impropriety I will do so.   I have been left with nothing - so fighting for something is worth it. The lender wants to talk re a form of settlement.  Similar to my proposal 2y ago.  I have a pretty clear idea of what that means to me.  This is exactly why I do not give up.  And why I continue to ask for snippets of advice/ pointers on cag.  
    • It was all my own work based on my previous emails to P2G which Bank has seen.
    • I was referring to #415 where you wrote "I was forced to try to sell - and couldn't." . And nearer the start in #79 .. "I couldn't sell.  I had an incredibly valuable asset. Huge equity.  But the interest accrued / the property market suffered and I couldn't find a buyer even at a level just to clear the debt." In #194 you said you'd tried to sell for four years.  The reason for these points is that a lot of the claims against for example your surveyor, solicitor, broker, the lender and now the receiver are mainly founded in a belief that they should have been able to do something but did not. Things that might seem self evident to you but not necessarily to others. Pressing these claims may well need a bit more hard evidence, rather than an appeal to common sense. Can you show evidence of similar properties, with similar freehold issues, selling readily? And solid reasons why the lender should have been able to sell when you couldn't.
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First time of posting so please bear with me. Recently had a gentlemen knock on door and he signed himself as Senior Bailiff in Charge Enforcement. Looked on the HM website and cannot find him or the company he works for. I have spoken to the Company who say he is certified. Don't believe the Company and want proof that he is in a position to clamp my car for an unpaid PCN. Any help much appreciated.

 

Great website by the way.

 

the web site is not 100% up to date

you can also phone them

 

Ministry of Justice Public Register of Bailiffs on 020 3334 6355

 

whats the name of the company

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If your search reveals that the bailiff is working for a different company it is important to be aware that statutory regulations laid down by Parliament state that if there are "any changes" to the certificate then the bailiff must “without delay” give notice to the Court and a new certificate will be issued to him reflecting the changes. This is vitally important because in almost all cases, the bailiff’s bond will be cancelled when he leaves his previous employer!!

 

 

Which statutory regulations stipulate that the bailiff must give notice to the court of any changes in his circumstances?

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Which statutory regulations stipulate that the bailiff must give notice to the court of any changes in his circumstances?

 

 

 

The authority is contained in the Distress for Rent (Amendemnt) Rules 1999 where in Clause 12 it states the following:

 

12. After rule 7 there shall be inserted:

 

 

  • " Change of bailiff's name, address, etc


  • (1) In this rule "relevant details" means a bailiff's name, address or other written information appearing on the certificate.
     
    (2) If there is any change in the relevant details, the bailiff shall without delay give written notice of the change to the issuing county court and produce his certificate ("the old certificate") to the court officer of the issuing county court.
     
    (3) When a bailiff gives notice and produces the old certificate in accordance with paragraph (2) above, the Judge of the issuing county court shall issue to the bailiff a replacement certificate reflecting the change in the relevant details but in all other respects (including, without limitation, the date of expiry of the certificate) the same as the old certificate.
     
    (4) When a replacement certificate is issued in accordance with paragraph (3) above, the court officer shall retain and cancel the old certificate.
     
    (5) No fee shall be payable for the issue of a replacement certificate in accordance with this rule.".

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thanks i have tried ringing it 3 times today it just goes to answer phone

 

On my first call I got the answer phone but I left a message and they called me back within 20 minutes. They seem to be very efficient.

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Eventually got a call back, but still have to ring the court because they haven't the whole info, ie, not both this year and last, and it appears it is from the company Rundle, not the court!

 

JQ

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Very interesting

 

I just got a letter through the door from JBW for an unpaid PCN. I checked the Bailiff name on the register ....and you guessed right he's not there. So I decided to check JBW. I tried "JBW Enforcement Ltd" nothing came up. I then decide to check in companies house the legal name. I had the company number on the letter. The name in companies house came up as "J.B.W. GROUP LIMITED" again not on the register.

 

What can you guys help me with that?

 

PS phoned the OFT and it appears JBW don't have a Consumer Credit License.

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quick question out of curiosity, if a bailiff posts a letter through door how do you check his name if there is just a scribble mark in the signiature line that is unreadable lol, iv had one of those, the accompioning letter says....signed........certified bailiff .......no name wotsoever. x thanx

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if its a letter then it makes no difference really. only need to be certificated to sign a levy. If it IS a levy, then the name has to be written in legible capital letters. if its not, tell the company its not a legal levy and they are welcome to pursue it but it will land them n court and the bailiff concerned without a certificate.

 

Any one can drop a letter through your door. it might be from a bailiff company but it might not need to be signed by a bailiff

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cool thanx guys x not sure what a levvy is lol but it was on grey official paper lol. it said notice of distress on top and had a bit at bottom unfilled about a walking posession agreement thing, wotever that means. anyway they wrote my car details down under the goods siezed bit, but my car is on HP lol. no Bailiff signiture tho just a scribbled line lol. i got it sorted though seems the council had me down as not paying my council tax even though i always pay it on time, right royal council cock up lol, cheers this site is fab xxx

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yeah that is the levy alright. it is not really valid as sig is just scribbled on. I suggest ytou ring the bailiff company just to make sure they have got the message about not chasing you. they will keep coming unless the council call them off.

 

IF IT WAS ME, I WOULD MAKE SURE THEY HAVE BEEN CALLED OFF AND NOT TAKE THE COUNCILS WORD FOR IT. THEY MAY STILL TAKE YOUR CAR IF THEY THINK THEY CAN.

 

Regards

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yeah that is the levy alright. it is not really valid as sig is just scribbled on. I suggest ytou ring the bailiff company just to make sure they have got the message about not chasing you. they will keep coming unless the council call them off.

 

IF IT WAS ME, I WOULD MAKE SURE THEY HAVE BEEN CALLED OFF AND NOT TAKE THE COUNCILS WORD FOR IT. THEY MAY STILL TAKE YOUR CAR IF THEY THINK THEY CAN.

 

Regards

 

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I would also be asking for confirmation that ALL charges associated with the levy on your car have been REMOVED !!

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they said it was cancelled by the council so seems ok, refused to put in writing though said it wasnt necessary, typical xx going through similar problem with them over overpayment of housing benefit too even though i cancelled benefit when i started working and have it in writing from rent department, bailiff is chasing me for 800 quid, refused my offer to pay them 20.00 month even though im not working and we are on low income from husbands wages and 4 kids to feed. poxy newlyn bailiffs are the pitts. xxxxx

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i suggest you have a look at filling a form in like this one (Free Income and Expenditure Form) and see what you are left with. (the national average after food, clothing and everything else is about £150 per person to live on per month. If you have less than this then you can can alot of help with housing and council tax.

I have just been through it with a friend and rent has gone from £86 per week to £18 per week and c/tax down to £8 per month.

 

If you fill it in and find you are below national average, then send it in along with offer of payment stating that if it is not accepted then you would be happy to go to court as you have limited/no liquid funds and the courts will order you pay less than you are offering. it doesa not work for everyone. If you have far more left than you need to live on, then maybe look at increasing the offer slightly. up to you.

 

Its only an idea. hope it works out for you.

 

regards

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I've just rang the number now and they took a message, within 5 mins the guy had rang me back, the bailiff I was enquiring about has been certificated in the Birkenhead Courts back in April this year, when I asked why he wasn't showing up on the website his response was that the Courts send the information to them, therefore I now have to ring the Court to find out if he has been given the certificate!

 

Good luck.

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Hi could someone be kind enough to confirm that if a person is not listed on the list of certified bailiffs @ hmrc then they definatley are not certified?

Thanks

 

the list is not 100%

phone the Ministry of Justice Public Register of Bailiffs on 020 3334 6355 to confirm

 

the bailiff must be certificated to the company he is collecting for or self-employed (certificated but not to any company)

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the list is not 100%

phone the Ministry of Justice Public Register of Bailiffs on 020 3334 6355 to confirm

 

the bailiff must be certificated to the company he is collecting for or self-employed (certificated but not to any company)

Thankyou Hallowitch your help is appreciated.

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Hi all

First post so bear with me i have a bailiff on at me done a search and the only one with his surname is from another court up north and with a different company. Im sure he will come back very arrogant man shall i ask him ? Havn't let him in and dont intend to.

Sorry forgot it about council tax arrears so much info on this site trying to take it all in

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