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    • further polished WS using above suggestions and also included couple of more modifications highlighted in orange are those ok to include?   Background   1.1  The Defendant received the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) on the 06th of January 2020 following the vehicle being parked at Arla Old Dairy, South Ruislip on the 05th of December 2019.   Unfair PCN   2.1  On 19th December 2023 the Defendant sent the Claimant's solicitors a CPR request.  As shown in Exhibit 1 (pages 7-13) sent by the solicitors the signage displayed in their evidence clearly shows a £60.00 parking charge notice (which will be reduced to £30 if paid within 14 days of issue).  2.2  Yet the PCN sent by the Claimant is for a £100.00 parking charge notice (reduced to £60 if paid within 30 days of issue).   2.3        The Claimant relies on signage to create a contract.  It is unlawful for the Claimant to write that the charge is £60 on their signs and then send demands for £100.    2.4        The unlawful £100 charge is also the basis for the Claimant's Particulars of Claim.  No Locus Standi  3.1  I do not believe a contract with the landowner, that is provided following the defendant’s CPR request, gives MET Parking Services a right to bring claims in their own name. Definition of “Relevant contract” from the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4,  2 [1] means a contract Including a contract arising only when the vehicle was parked on the relevant land between the driver and a person who is-   (a) the owner or occupier of the land; or   (b) Authorised, under or by virtue of arrangements made by the owner or occupier of the land, to enter into a contract with the driver requiring the payment of parking charges in respect of the parking of the vehicle on the land. According to https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/46/section/44   For a contract to be valid, it requires a director from each company to sign and then two independent witnesses must confirm those signatures.   3.2  The Defendant requested to see such a contract in the CPR request.  The fact that no contract has been produced with the witness signatures present means the contract has not been validly executed. Therefore, there can be no contract established between MET Parking Services and the motorist. Even if “Parking in Electric Bay” could form a contract (which it cannot), it is immaterial. There is no valid contract.  Illegal Conduct – No Contract Formed   4.1 At the time of writing, the Claimant has failed to provide the following, in response to the CPR request from myself.   4.2        The legal contract between the Claimant and the landowner (which in this case is Standard Life Investments UK) to provide evidence that there is an agreement in place with landowner with the necessary authority to issue parking charge notices and to pursue payment by means of litigation.   4.3 Proof of planning permission granted for signage etc under the Town and country Planning Act 1990. Lack of planning permission is a criminal offence under this Act and no contract can be formed where criminality is involved.   4.4        I also do not believe the claimant possesses these documents.   No Keeper Liability   5.1        The defendant was not the driver at the time and date mentioned in the PCN and the claimant has not established keeper liability under schedule 4 of the PoFA 2012. In this matter, the defendant puts it to the claimant to produce strict proof as to who was driving at the time.   5.2 The claimant in their Notice To Keeper also failed to comply with PoFA 2012 Schedule 4 section 9[2][f] while mentioning “the right to recover from the keeper so much of that parking charge as remains unpaid” where they did not include statement “(if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met)”.     5.3         The claimant did not mention parking period, times on the photographs are separate from the PCN and in any case are that arrival and departure times not the parking period since their times include driving to and from the parking space as a minimum and can include extra time to allow pedestrians and other vehicles to pass in front.    Protection of Freedoms Act 2012   The notice must -   (a) specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates;  22. In the persuasive judgement K4GF167G - Premier Park Ltd v Mr Mathur - Horsham County Court – 5 January 2024 it was on this very point that the judge dismissed this claim.  5.4  A the PCN does not comply with the Act the Defendant as keeper is not liable.  No Breach of Contract   6.1       No breach of contract occurred because the PCN and contract provided as part of the defendant’s CPR request shows different post code, PCN shows HA4 0EY while contract shows HA4 0FY. According to PCN defendant parked on HA4 0EY which does not appear to be subject to the postcode covered by the contract.  6.2         The entrance sign does not mention anything about there being other terms inside the car park so does not offer a contract which makes it only an offer to treat,  Interest  7.1  It is unreasonable for the Claimant to delay litigation for  Double Recovery   7.2  The claim is littered with made-up charges.  7.3  As noted above, the Claimant's signs state a £60 charge yet their PCN is for £100.  7.4  As well as the £100 parking charge, the Claimant seeks recovery of an additional £70.  This is simply a poor attempt to circumvent the legal costs cap at small claims.  7.5 Since 2019, many County Courts have considered claims in excess of £100 to be an abuse of process leading to them being struck out ab initio. An example, in the Caernarfon Court in VCS v Davies, case No. FTQZ4W28 on 4th September 2019, District Judge Jones-Evans stated “Upon it being recorded that District Judge Jones- Evans has over a very significant period of time warned advocates (...) in many cases of this nature before this court that their claim for £60 is unenforceable in law and is an abuse of process and is nothing more than a poor attempt to go behind the decision of the Supreme Court v Beavis which inter alia decided that a figure of £160 as a global sum claimed in this case would be a penalty and not a genuine pre-estimate of loss and therefore unenforceable in law and if the practice continued, he would treat all cases as a claim for £160 and therefore a penalty and unenforceable in law it is hereby declared (…) the claim is struck out and declared to be wholly without merit and an abuse of process.”  7.6 In Claim Nos. F0DP806M and F0DP201T, District Judge Taylor echoed earlier General Judgment or Orders of District Judge Grand, stating ''It is ordered that the claim is struck out as an abuse of process. The claim contains a substantial charge additional to the parking charge which it is alleged the Defendant contracted to pay. This additional charge is not recoverabl15e under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4 nor with reference to the judgment in Parking Eye v Beavis. It is an abuse of process from the Claimant to issue a knowingly inflated claim for an additional sum which it is not entitled to recover. This order has been made by the court of its own initiative without a hearing pursuant to CPR Rule 3.3(4)) of the Civil Procedure Rules 1998...''  7.7 In the persuasive case of G4QZ465V - Excel Parking Services Ltd v Wilkinson – Bradford County Court -2 July 2020 (Exhibit 4) the judge had decided that Excel had won. However, due to Excel adding on the £60 the Judge dismissed the case.  7.8        The addition of costs not previously specified on signage are also in breach of the Consumer Rights Act 2015, Schedule 2, specifically paras 6, 10 and 14.   7.9        It is the Defendant’s position that the Claimant in this case has knowingly submitted inflated costs and thus the entire claim should be similarly struck out in accordance with Civil Procedure Rule 3.3(4).   In Conclusion   8.1        I invite the court to dismiss the claim.  Statement of Truth  I believe that the facts stated in this witness statement are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.   
    • Well the difference is that in all our other cases It was Kev who was trying to entrap the motorist so sticking two fingers up to him and daring him to try court was from a position of strength. In your case, sorry, you made a mistake so you're not in the position of strength.  I've looked on Google Maps and the signs are few & far between as per Kev's MO, but there is an entrance sign saying "Pay & Display" (and you've admitted in writing that you knew you had to pay) and the signs by the payment machines do say "Sea View Car Park" (and you've admitted in writing you paid the wrong car park ... and maybe outed yourself as the driver). Something I missed in my previous post is that the LoC is only for one ticket, not two. Sorry, but it's impossible to definitively advise what to so. Personally I'd probably gamble on Kev being a serial bottler of court and reply with a snotty letter ridiculing the signage (given you mentioned the signage in your appeal) - but it is a gamble.  
    • No! What has happened is that your pix were up-to-date: 5 hours' maximum stay and £100 PCN. The lazy solicitors have sent ancient pictures: 4 hours' maximum stay and £60 PCN. Don't let on!  Let them be hoisted by their own lazy petard in the court hearing (if they don't bottle before).
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hey guys...maybe i should have started my postings earlier on here.

this morning i recieved from the courts " notice that acknowledgement of service has been filed" so Lloyds have 28 days to file a defence. they have ticked on the box that they intend to defend all of the claim...mmm, ok.

to cut a long story short, about a month ago i sent the £10 for request of charges. got that 2 weeks later, asked for them back with the preliminary letter ( about £800 ) , and got the same bog standard letter you all have ie...we provide a service blah blah, you can contact the ombudsman etc etc.

so then went to the LBA,no joy, then to the courts ( via money claim ) where i added on the interest. and now theyve responded that they have decided to defend all the claim. its throught the Sechiari Clark & Mitchell that iv heard mention before. so yeah here goes.......

on and on it goes!!!........:???:

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Well you are certainly not alone and I bet you have already read through all the similar responses and know the drill :) If you do get stuck though, just ask. Best of luck, will be hoping you get your money back soon :)

Please note that I am not a legal expert and all advice given is without prejudice and is purely my opinion only.

 

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Hey guys, the 28 days you have to wait, after the bank have decided to defend, is actually up tomorrow, and i havnt heard a thing from anybody!!!! what do i do???!!

they were served the papers on the 3rd, and tomorrows the 31st...???

on and on it goes!!!........:???:

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I am at the same stage as you the 28 days is up on the 2nd Sept which is a Saturday. I asked the same question and was advised this.

 

That my 28days would be up on Monday 4th and I cannot put default jugement in till Tuesday and maybe best to even leave it till Friday. I was told lloydsTSB may still ask for judgement to be stopped so they can defend the case.

Not sure if that will be correct. But if I was you I would put in default judgement on Friday and see what happens?

 

You can argue if they ask for more time that they have had plenty. Do not be surprised if they post there defence tomorrow they have till court closes tomorrow.

 

 

 

Lloyds TSB Progess

 

first letter sent 10th June

Received reply 20th June

Second letter sent 30th June

Revieved final response 7th July

Filled in claim on line 30/07/06

Recieved Acknowledgment of service 4th August

Defence submitted 6th September

Allocation Questionnaire due back 20th Sept

Sent my Allocation Questionnaire back 10th Sept

Got there copy of Allication Questionaire 23rd Sept

Court date set for 25th Jan '07

 

 

 

Paragon Finance Progress

Sent first letter 24th August 2006

No reply so second letter sent 10th Sept 2006

Received letter back saying they are going to investigate my claim

Offer made by Paragon for full ammount plus interst! Rusult!!!

Cheque recieved *Won*

 

 

 

Any thing I write on this site is only an oppinion as I am not a solicitor or legal whizz!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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ok i see, thanks for that. when i read it in the step by step guide, it basiclly says that if no response is recieved after 28days, you win by default. if no response is recieved after that you have the right to send the bayliffs in??!!

 

so how do i put in the judgement, do i do i via moneyclaim, or through the courts???

 

i was hoping it would have been done and dusted by now!!!!

on and on it goes!!!........:???:

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if you put your claim in via money claim click on start jugdement and follow instructions... have you heard any thing yet?

 

 

 

Lloyds TSB Progess

 

first letter sent 10th June

Received reply 20th June

Second letter sent 30th June

Revieved final response 7th July

Filled in claim on line 30/07/06

Recieved Acknowledgment of service 4th August

Defence submitted 6th September

Allocation Questionnaire due back 20th Sept

Sent my Allocation Questionnaire back 10th Sept

Got there copy of Allication Questionaire 23rd Sept

Court date set for 25th Jan '07

 

 

 

Paragon Finance Progress

Sent first letter 24th August 2006

No reply so second letter sent 10th Sept 2006

Received letter back saying they are going to investigate my claim

Offer made by Paragon for full ammount plus interst! Rusult!!!

Cheque recieved *Won*

 

 

 

Any thing I write on this site is only an oppinion as I am not a solicitor or legal whizz!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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i recieved my notice of transfer of proceedings this morning, on exactly day 28......they havnt half dragged it out. i now have to fill in the questionaire.

bugger!!!!

where are the notes on here for filling out the questionaire?....ill have a scan through now

on and on it goes!!!........:???:

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Good luck... they always seem to leave it till the last minute... they really like to make people wait for there money... same they had the aurthority just just take there money out fof your account when they want to.... if you know what i mean

 

 

 

Lloyds TSB Progess

 

first letter sent 10th June

Received reply 20th June

Second letter sent 30th June

Revieved final response 7th July

Filled in claim on line 30/07/06

Recieved Acknowledgment of service 4th August

Defence submitted 6th September

Allocation Questionnaire due back 20th Sept

Sent my Allocation Questionnaire back 10th Sept

Got there copy of Allication Questionaire 23rd Sept

Court date set for 25th Jan '07

 

 

 

Paragon Finance Progress

Sent first letter 24th August 2006

No reply so second letter sent 10th Sept 2006

Received letter back saying they are going to investigate my claim

Offer made by Paragon for full ammount plus interst! Rusult!!!

Cheque recieved *Won*

 

 

 

Any thing I write on this site is only an oppinion as I am not a solicitor or legal whizz!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Hi steffyloulou,

 

The chances are the Lloyds solicitors would have asked for a month to "negotiate a settlement" on their allocation questionnaire. Its all part of their stalling tactics I'm afraid, and is probably the reason you have'nt heard anything yet. Your best bet is to ring the court and ask for an update on the status of your claim. I have always found the court staff to be very helpful.

 

Your doing great so far, and it won't be long now untill you get your money back, I'm sure.

 

Best of luck

 

Gary

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i think everybody thinks their gonna be the first to go to court....!!

stef

 

Yep, everyone gets a bit nervous about that! Its only natural and its a good thing in a way becouse it shows your not complacant or taking it to lightly. Remember though, Lloyds have not defended 1 single claim in court yet, and probably don't intend to.

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Remeber to use the guide notes in the templates library when filling it in - particularly make sure you include the request for standard disclosure in section G 'other information. Make a couple of copys, keep one for yourself, send one to SC&M, and send the origional back to the court.

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iv got a court date through today for the 1st of december...is ther anything i can do to hurry it along?.....it seems a long time to have to wait, and can they do that???!!!

also is there anything i need to do in the meantime, i mean i got the lloyds questionaire back with their answers on it, but i dont think i have to do anything with that do i ?

 

thanks guys

on and on it goes!!!........:???:

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Hi at least you have a court date... The allication questionnaire from both Lloyds and myself was returned to the court on or before the 18th September and I have still not had a court date... I have called the court twice they said it has been Allicated to the small claims track but because of the court being very busy at mo there is a delay on giving out court dates! Hang in there you are neally there... and at least you know you will have your money before Christmas... You could try writing or calling solicitors and tell them you have a court date and are lloyds going to settle before hand.

Jules x

 

 

 

Lloyds TSB Progess

 

first letter sent 10th June

Received reply 20th June

Second letter sent 30th June

Revieved final response 7th July

Filled in claim on line 30/07/06

Recieved Acknowledgment of service 4th August

Defence submitted 6th September

Allocation Questionnaire due back 20th Sept

Sent my Allocation Questionnaire back 10th Sept

Got there copy of Allication Questionaire 23rd Sept

Court date set for 25th Jan '07

 

 

 

Paragon Finance Progress

Sent first letter 24th August 2006

No reply so second letter sent 10th Sept 2006

Received letter back saying they are going to investigate my claim

Offer made by Paragon for full ammount plus interst! Rusult!!!

Cheque recieved *Won*

 

 

 

Any thing I write on this site is only an oppinion as I am not a solicitor or legal whizz!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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it's the pits..that means you might get an offer on 30th Nov. eh !!!

I'm sick of them.....

1/6/06 request charges

16/6/06 received charges

18/6/06 first request for refund

3/7/06 "No" letter from bank

13/7/06 LBA

7/08/06 handed claim to court

10/8/06 court stamped as date of issue

24/8/06 deemed to be served

25/8/06 Sechiari filed acknowledgement of service

6/9/06 defence served

9/9/06 copy of defence and AQ received by me

25/9/06 deadline for AQ submission

25/9/06 call Sechiari confirm safe receipt of my AQ

26/9/06 received copy AQ from Sechiari

29/9/06 letter to SCM to say "you want 1 month to settle, so settle"

18/10/06 after "strained communications"and how !

verbal offer of full settlement with conditions

communications rejecting conditions from me

5/11/06 received letter offering settlement with conditions

7/11/06 sent fax rejecting conditions etc

14/11/06 unconditional settlement in bank and how !;)

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hey guys, iv not posted on here for a while, but the state of play is im still waiting on my court date, which is the 1st of december. iv heard nothing form the bank regarding this. i filled in my questionaire etc and done everything properly, so do i just wait, or try and do something else.

 

i have a horrid feeling i might be going to court!!!

on and on it goes!!!........:???:

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Have you had any directions from the court, to provide evidance, etc?

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Steffi, have a look in our threads, some times negotiating with them via, phone, fax and letter is paying off, no quick fix but at least then you're showing the court that you're trying to settle before court, tell SCM what you are prepared to accept with out conditions...and let them answer YOU......

1/6/06 request charges

16/6/06 received charges

18/6/06 first request for refund

3/7/06 "No" letter from bank

13/7/06 LBA

7/08/06 handed claim to court

10/8/06 court stamped as date of issue

24/8/06 deemed to be served

25/8/06 Sechiari filed acknowledgement of service

6/9/06 defence served

9/9/06 copy of defence and AQ received by me

25/9/06 deadline for AQ submission

25/9/06 call Sechiari confirm safe receipt of my AQ

26/9/06 received copy AQ from Sechiari

29/9/06 letter to SCM to say "you want 1 month to settle, so settle"

18/10/06 after "strained communications"and how !

verbal offer of full settlement with conditions

communications rejecting conditions from me

5/11/06 received letter offering settlement with conditions

7/11/06 sent fax rejecting conditions etc

14/11/06 unconditional settlement in bank and how !;)

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no nothing. just a date and a time. iv sent them all copies of my spreadsheets with the charges on, and all other relevent documents. so im really stuck!!

 

You need to get in touch with the court, ASAP. You should definately have had directions to submit your evidance by now. Please double check, it would have been on the same sheet as the notice of allocation to the small claims track and the date. Perhaps something like this;

 

Each party shall deliver to every other party and to the court office copies of all documents (including any experts' report) on which he intends to rely at the hearing no later than 14 days before the hearing.

 

The original documents shall be brought to the hearing.

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