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    • Including Default Notice Andy? Ok, I think this is the best I can do.. it all makes sense with references to their WS. They have included exhibits that dates don't match the WS about them, small but still.. if you're going to reference letters giving dates, then the exhibits should be correct, no? I know I redacted them too much, but one of the dates differs to the WS by a few months. IN THE ******** County Court Claim No. [***] BETWEEN: LC Asset 2 S.A.R.L CLAIMANT AND [***] DEFENDANT ************ _________________________ ________ WITNESS STATEMENT OF [***] _________________________ ________ I, [***], being the Defendant in this case will state as follows; I make this Witness Statement in support of my defence in this claim. 1. I understand that the claimant is an Assignee, a buyer of defunct or bad debts, which are bought on mass portfolios at a much-reduced cost to the amount claimed and which the original creditors have already written off as a capital loss and claimed against taxable income as confirmed in the claimant’s witness statement exhibit by way of the Deed of Assignment. As an assignee or creditor as defined in section 189 of the CCA this applies to this new requirement on assignment of rights. This means that when an assignee purchases debts (or otherwise acquires rights under a credit agreement) it also acquires certain obligations to the borrower including the duty to comply with CCA requirements (such as the rules on statements and notices and other post-contractual information). The assignee becomes the creditor under the agreement. This ensures that essential consumer protections under the CCA cannot be circumvented by assigning the debt to a third party. 2. The Claim relates to an alleged Credit Card agreement between the Defendant and Bank of Scotland plc. Save insofar of any admittance it is accepted that the Defendant has had contractual agreements with Bank of Scotland plc in the past, the Defendant is unaware as to what alleged debt the Claimant refers. 3. The Defendant requested a copy of the CCA on the 24/12/2022 along with the standard fee of £1.00 postal order, to which the defendant received a reply from the Claimant dated 06/02/2023. To this date, the Claimant has failed to disclose a valid agreement and proof as per their claim that this is enforceable, that Default Notice and Notice of Assignment were sent to and received by the Defendant, on which their claim relies. The Claimant is put to strict proof to verify and confirm that the exhibit *** is a true copy of the agreement and are the true Terms and Conditions as issued at the time of inception of the online application and execution of the agreement. 4. Point 3 is noted. The Claimant pleads that a default notice has been served upon the defendant as evidenced by Exhibit [***]. The claimant is put to strict proof to verify the service of the above in accordance with s136 and s196 Law of Property Act 1925. 5. Point 6 is noted and disputed. The Defendant cannot recall ever having received the notice of assignment as evidenced in the exhibit marked ***. The claimant is put to strict proof to verify the service of the above in accordance with s136 and s196 Law of Property Act 1925. 6. Point 11 is noted and disputed. See 3. 7. Point 12 is noted, the Defendant doesn’t recall receiving contact where documentation is provided as per the Claimants obligations under CCA. In addition, the Claimant pleads letters were sent on dates given, yet those are not the letters evidenced in their exhibits *** 8. Point 13 is noted and denied. Claimant is put to strict proof to prove allegations. 9. The Claimant did not provide a true copy of the CCA in response to the Defendants request of 24/12/2022. The Claimant further claims that the documents are sufficient to pursue a Judgement and are therefore copies of original documents in their possession. Conclusion 10. Without the Claimant providing a valid true copy of the executed Credit agreement that complies with the CCA, the Claimant has no grounds on which to enforce this alleged debt. 11. The Defendant was not given ample evidence to prove the debt and therefore was not required to enter settlement negotiations. Should the debt be proved in the future, the Defendant is willing to enter such negotiations with the Claimant. On receipt of this claim I could not recall the precise details of the agreement or any debt and sought clarity from the claimant by way of a Section 78 request. The Claimant failed to comply. I can only assume as this was due to the Claimant not having any enforceable documentation and issuing a claim in hope of an undefended default judgment.   Statement of Truth I, ********, the Defendant, believe the facts stated within this Witness Statement to be true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in it’s truth. Signed: _________________________ _______ Dated: _____________________
    • AMEX and TSB the 2 Creditors who you need to worry about the least, ever!  Just stop paying them and forget about it, ignore all their threat o gram letters.  Only if, and with these 2 it's a massive if, you end up with a claim form you need to respond, and there will be plenty of help here.
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    • Always send with proof of posting from your Post Office, so there is a trail. Conversations , are designed to intimidate into paying, Emails are designed as another way of bombarding. Only EVER communicate in writing, by post.  
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I have in the last few days received a County Court Claim from Northampton (CCBC). Particulars of claim are:

 

1.By an agreement in writing and regulated by CCA 1974, the Claimants issued to the Defendant a Credit Card for the purpose of the Defendant acquiring goods/service on credit.

2.The Defendant breached the agreement by failing to make payment as required under clauses 5, 6 & 9 of the agreement and on XX/XX/XXXX the Claimants issued a Default Notice pursuant to section 87(i) of the CCA 1974.

3.On XX/XX/XXXX the Claimants issued a Formal Demand to the Defendant.

4.The Claimants therefore claim the balance due under the agreement: £XXXX.XX

 

Background Info

 

In Autumn 2007 got into financial difficulties and missed about three payments, received a DN (which did not allow for service – only 14 days not 14+2days) I then requested a copy of the signed agreement under S78.

 

No response to my CCA request was received and the OC never supplied any documentation. Sent written notice to OC informing them of this default.

 

Then I received from their solicitors a formal demand for repayment, I replied to this pointing out their client was in default of my CCA request. (At this time I made a SAR from the OC. Documents supplied did not include a copy of the Credit Agreement).

 

Heard nothing further for 2 months that received letter from claimants in-house DCA requesting payment in full. I replied to this again pointing out their in default of my CCA request.

 

Heard nothing for 6 months than started receiving numerous letters from another DCA requesting payment in full and threatening (in this order) 1. bankruptcy, 2. obtaining a CCJ, 3. charging order over any property I owned, 4. court action, 5. form for me to fill in showing my income and expenditure as they would be willing to accept reduced payments, 6. account now on hold whilst they obtained a copy of the agreement from their client.

 

Then six weeks later letters 7 & 8 (same letter two different dates) threatened immediate court action if payment not received in 7 days. (Sent four days apart and each dated 10 days prior to them being received in the post). Finally letter 9 informed me it was clear I was just attempting to avoid payment of debt.

 

Then it all went quite and heard nothing until March this year when I received a LBA from claimants solicitors again. Replied to this enclosing copy of my original letter to them and again pointing out that their client remained in default of my CCA S78 request.

 

Went quite again until received County Court Claim a few days ago. I have acknowledge online and intend to submit a full defence. I have also made a CPR 31.14 request to see what this turns up.

 

 

That is the background to this claim, however I need some advice on the claimants failure to comply with my S78 request. The CCA requires that when a creditor fails to supplied the documentation requested under S78(1) they are not entitled to enforce an agreement. I realise that most OC's ignore this and pass this matter onto numerous DCA's.

 

However is a claimant entitled to issue a claim through the courts whilst they remain in default of such a request.

 

Is their any case law or legal precedent that I could use in my defence which deals with such an instance where a claimant brings legal proceedings whilst clearly being in default of a CCA request.

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I have heard of cases being allowed to carry on... you just put it in your defence that there are in breach of s.78.

 

You have done the right thing by using the 31.14 as this should reveal to you all of the documentation they will be relying upon in their PoC. That's not to say they will; if they have the document then you can obviously verify whether it is enforceable or not. If they do not then this makes them look silly when you file your defence :-)

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I have in the last few days received a County Court Claim from Northampton (CCBC). Particulars of claim are:

 

1.By an agreement in writing and regulated by CCA 1974, the Claimants issued to the Defendant a Credit Card for the purpose of the Defendant acquiring goods/service on credit.

2.The Defendant breached the agreement by failing to make payment as required under clauses 5, 6 & 9 of the agreement and on XX/XX/XXXX the Claimants issued a Default Notice pursuant to section 87(i) of the CCA 1974.

3.On XX/XX/XXXX the Claimants issued a Formal Demand to the Defendant.

4.The Claimants therefore claim the balance due under the agreement: £XXXX.XX

 

Background Info

 

In Autumn 2007 got into financial difficulties and missed about three payments, received a DN (which did not allow for service – only 14 days not 14+2days) I then requested a copy of the signed agreement under S78.

 

No response to my CCA request was received and the OC never supplied any documentation. Sent written notice to OC informing them of this default.

 

Then I received from their solicitors a formal demand for repayment, I replied to this pointing out their client was in default of my CCA request. (At this time I made a SAR from the OC. Documents supplied did not include a copy of the Credit Agreement).

 

Heard nothing further for 2 months that received letter from claimants in-house DCA requesting payment in full. I replied to this again pointing out their in default of my CCA request.

 

Heard nothing for 6 months than started receiving numerous letters from another DCA requesting payment in full and threatening (in this order) 1. bankruptcy, 2. obtaining a CCJ, 3. charging order over any property I owned, 4. court action, 5. form for me to fill in showing my income and expenditure as they would be willing to accept reduced payments, 6. account now on hold whilst they obtained a copy of the agreement from their client.

 

Then six weeks later letters 7 & 8 (same letter two different dates) threatened immediate court action if payment not received in 7 days. (Sent four days apart and each dated 10 days prior to them being received in the post). Finally letter 9 informed me it was clear I was just attempting to avoid payment of debt.

 

Then it all went quite and heard nothing until March this year when I received a LBA from claimants solicitors again. Replied to this enclosing copy of my original letter to them and again pointing out that their client remained in default of my CCA S78 request.

 

Went quite again until received County Court Claim a few days ago. I have acknowledge online and intend to submit a full defence. I have also made a CPR 31.14 request to see what this turns up.

 

 

That is the background to this claim, however I need some advice on the claimants failure to comply with my S78 request. The CCA requires that when a creditor fails to supplied the documentation requested under S78(1) they are not entitled to enforce an agreement. I realise that most OC's ignore this and pass this matter onto numerous DCA's.

 

However is a claimant entitled to issue a claim through the courts whilst they remain in default of such a request.

 

Is their any case law or legal precedent that I could use in my defence which deals with such an instance where a claimant brings legal proceedings whilst clearly being in default of a CCA request.

 

The short answer is that there is a really awful High Court case called Rankine which says that a failure to comply with S78 is not a defence HOWEVER Rankine also says that where there is a failure to comply with S78.

 

"The appropriate step to be taken by the Rankines would have been to seek a stay of the proceedings pending provision of the information."

 

So what you could do is make an application on an N244 for an Order that the claim is stayed until S78 is complied with or alternatively you could just pursue the CPR 31.14 request

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Superb advice there :D I would seek the stay unless you were

 

a) sure that the CCA is unenforceable and;

 

b) you wanted to claim for some of your LIP costs

 

A stay seems the best way forward though.

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do u not think that the prob there however, is the executable, not necessarily enforceable agreement issue to s.78 that they can pretty easily comply with, wasting costs on the N244?

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Thanks for replies. I have been expecting them to come up with "this is what your agreement would have looked like when sent out for you to sign" - but have never had anything.

 

Will probably wait until I get a response (if any) to CPR 31.14 request. My defence needs to be submitted by 23 June so have time.

 

Surprised they have issued County Court Claim if they have no agreement - this makes me think that they have now turned something up.

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Superb advice there :D I would seek the stay unless you were

 

a) sure that the CCA is unenforceable and;

 

b) you wanted to claim for some of your LIP costs

 

A stay seems the best way forward though.

 

 

As you say a stay seems best way - not too concerned about claiming my LIP costs and until I see the CCA would have no idea if unenforceable or not. Card applied for in 1996 and can only remember completing an application form after picking up brochure in bank.

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Surprised they have issued County Court Claim if they have no agreement - this makes me think that they have now turned something up.

 

few people on this site will be surprised about that. if they have anything of value u will be getting a copy very quickly i would expect, to nip any defence u think u might have in the bud. they try and bully these things thru judgment and then to charging oders etc to secure their unsecured (often unenforceable) debts.

my advice would be to wait til u see anything concrete before worrying if they have enforceable docs or not (as indeed u appear to be). they will undoubtedly try every trick up their sleeve to make u fold early when in fact they often have a pair of twos, and they re usually concocted from 2 different packs anyway.

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It's a tactic to try and worry you I would imagine. But then this is the importance of doing the legwork of 31.14, SARs etc beforehand to make sure you have everything they would rely on in court :-)

 

I wouldn't let it worry you though... if it was 1996 the chances of it complying with the legislation required would be fairly slim I imagine.

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It's a tactic to try and worry you I would imagine. But then this is the importance of doing the legwork of 31.14, SARs etc beforehand to make sure you have everything they would rely on in court :-)

 

I wouldn't let it worry you though... if it was 1996 the chances of it complying with the legislation required would be fairly slim I imagine.

 

The other thing of course is that its' an agreement that S127 (3) CCA 1974 will apply to - so if the prescribed terms aren't in the document that the OP signed then it will be irredeemably unenforceable

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I wouldn't let it worry you though... if it was 1996 the chances of it complying with the legislation required would be fairly slim I imagine.

 

That has been my feeling all along - and maybe why they have never supplied anything as they know it is unenforceable - until I received claim form.

 

Will have to wait and see if anything turns up. It is something of a "waiting game" dealing with something like this.

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