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    • What do you guys think the chances are for her?   She followed the law, they didnt, then they engage in deception, would the judge take kindly to being lied to by these clowns? If we have a case then we should proceed and not allow these blatant dishonest cheaters to succeed 
    • I have looked at the car park and it is quite clearly marked that it is  pay to park  and advising that there are cameras installed so kind of difficult to dispute that. On the other hand it doesn't appear to state at the entrance what the charge is for breaching their rules. However they do have a load of writing in the two notices under the entrance sign which it would help if you could photograph legible copies of them. Also legible photos of the signs inside the car park as well as legible photos of the payment signs. I say legible because the wording of their signs is very important as to whether they have formed a contract with motorists. For example the entrance sign itself doe not offer a contract because it states the T&Cs are inside the car park. But the the two signs below may change that situation which is why we would like to see them. I have looked at their Notice to Keeper which is pretty close to what it should say apart from one item. Under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 Schedule 4 Section 9 [2]a] the PCN should specify the period of parking. It doesn't. It does show the ANPR times but that includes driving from the entrance to the parking spot and then from the parking place to the exit. I know that this is a small car park but the Act is quite clear that the parking period must be specified. That failure means that the keeper is no longer responsible for the charge, only the driver is now liable to pay. Should this ever go to Court , Judges do not accept that the driver and the keeper are the same person so ECP will have their work cut out deciding who was driving. As long as they do not know, it will be difficult for them to win in Court which is one reason why we advise not to appeal since the appeal can lead to them finding out at times that the driver  and the keeper were the same person. You will get loads of threats from ECP and their sixth rate debt collectors and solicitors. They will also keep quoting ever higher amounts owed. Do not worry, the maximum. they can charge is the amount on the sign. Anything over that is unlawful. You can safely ignore the drivel from the Drips but come back to us should you receive a Letter of Claim. That will be the Snotty letter time.
    • please stop using @username - sends unnecessary alerts to people. everyone that's posted on your thread inc you gets an automatic email alert when someone else posts.  
    • he Fraser group own Robin park in Wigan. The CEO's email  is  [email protected]
    • Yes, it was, but in practice we've found time after time that judges will not rule against PPCs solely on the lack of PP.  They should - but they don't.  We include illegal signage in WSs, but more as a tactic to show the PPC up as spvis rather than in the hope that the judge will act on that one point alone. But sue them for what?  They haven't really done much apart from sending you stupid letters. Breach of GDPR?  It could be argued they knew you had Supremacy of Contact but it's a a long shot. Trespass to your vehicle?  I know someone on the Parking Prankster blog did that but it's one case out of thousands. Surely best to defy them and put the onus on them to sue you.  Make them carry the risk.  And if they finally do - smash them. If you want, I suppose you could have a laugh at the MA's expense.  Tell them about the criminality they have endorsed and give them 24 hours to have your tickets cancelled and have the signs removed - otherwise you will contact the council to start enforcement for breach of planning permission.
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We bought a brand new leather suite for £2476 in December last year from SCS (with a £1000 deposit and the remainder on finance). In January we noticed the suite seemed to be turning a darker shade of brown on the headrest and arms. We went to SCS with pictures to ask them what could be done and they sent an upholsterer to establish if it was a manufacturers fault or not. His opinion was that it wasnt and that we should simply have the suite cleaned professionally, we mentioned that the suite had only been in our house for 3 weeks and a professional cleaner would cost a small fortune if we had to have it cleaned so often. A further visit to the store and a conversation with the manager who advised us to write a letter to SCS head office expressing our concern over the suite and its condition. They responded by referring to their upholsterers report saying there was little they could do. We are now at the end of our tether, lumbered with a suite that is difficult to clean and looks dirty again if you so much as look at it never mind sit on it. Is there anything you good people can suggest we can do in terms of a next step? I am considering writing to the finance company and complaining to them but not sure what to say!

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We bought a brand new leather suite for £2476 in December last year from SCS (with a £1000 deposit and the remainder on finance). In January we noticed the suite seemed to be turning a darker shade of brown on the headrest and arms. We went to SCS with pictures to ask them what could be done and they sent an upholsterer to establish if it was a manufacturers fault or not. His opinion was that it wasnt and that we should simply have the suite cleaned professionally, we mentioned that the suite had only been in our house for 3 weeks and a professional cleaner would cost a small fortune if we had to have it cleaned so often. A further visit to the store and a conversation with the manager who advised us to write a letter to SCS head office expressing our concern over the suite and its condition. They responded by referring to their upholsterers report saying there was little they could do. We are now at the end of our tether, lumbered with a suite that is difficult to clean and looks dirty again if you so much as look at it never mind sit on it. Is there anything you good people can suggest we can do in terms of a next step? I am considering writing to the finance company and complaining to them but not sure what to say!

 

My daughter bought a Corner Unit in December. You can see the progress here:

 

http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/high-street-stores/193176-scs-wrongly-handed-damaged.html#post2088494

 

I'm just about to update it.

 

As their Upholsterer appears to be taking their side, I would be tempted to get an independant report. I know it will cost but if it proves to be in your favour you will be able to claim it back along with everything else you have paid. You could invite the finance company to arrange an inspection when reminding them that they are equally liable with the supplier.

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PUTTING IT IN WRITING & KEEPING COPIES IS A MUST FOR SUCCESS

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it take its material rather than leather ?

 

most material funiture are protected with products such as "Scotch Guard" from new to prevent such problems from soiling, and its not uncommom with imported furniture that this has not been done, check if it was advertised or on labels ( often on the bottom of the of the units ) which will state its been done , It must always state on the labels what fire protection has been used , Legal requirement for furniture sold in the UK , eg, complies with (British Standard 7176) should be the right one , but double check

 

As a lot of furniture sold in the UK by the major stores is made in China these days, the quality control is lacking, last year Watchdog did an exposure of furniture which had a banned substance being used in imported furniture, and the suffering it caused, it should also show on the Label the Country of origin, another angle is that you can question SCS just what checks they carry out to confirm the goods are as described EG, Scotch Guarded / Fire retardant treatment, to comply with "British Standards"

 

it is common for material to show darkening on the headrests and arms after a much longer period of time , simple cause is transfer of grease etc from Hair and hands, but not after such a short period, but it can happen

 

If it was a real Upholsterer ( there actually very few real ones in the UK modern furniture does not need them when made, ) would have done the simple check of labels etc and mentioned the transfer of grease etc, and would have mentioned the possible lack of "Scotch Guard" I spent the first 7 years of my working life as 1 , moved on to Electronics after a accident which stopped me working in the trade.

 

IF it clearly states its been Scotch Guarded etc ( or similar treament to protect against soiling ) then that should strengthen your claim,

 

link re fire and cig burns etc

Spotlight - Specifying furniture upholstery

 

attached PDF re F/R of furniture

fire retardant.pdf

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Hi Kiptower, its a leather suite in aniline and would only of received a little coating apparently. Do you happen to know of any proper independant upholsterers in the north west of england who i could use for an report? Also if anyone has any letter suggestions it would be most appreciated

And the lord said "come forth and i shall grant you eternal life" I came fifth and got a toaster!!!:D

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