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    • Few tweaks as the run order was completely messed up and the main point of your defence (reconstituted agreement) pushed to the bottom of the statement.   I, XXXXXX, being the Defendant in this case will state as follows; I make this Witness Statement in support of my defence in this claim and further to my set aside application dated 1 November 2022. 1.The claimants witness statement confirms that it mostly relies on hearsay evidence as confirmed by the drafts in person in the opening paragraph. It is my understanding they must serve notice to any hearsay evidence pursuant to CPR 33.2(1)(B) (notice of intention to rely on hearsay evidence) and Section 2 (1) (A) of the Civil Evidence Act. 2.  I understand that the claimant is an Assignee, a buyer of defunct or bad debts, which are bought on mass portfolios at a much reduced cost to the amount claimed and which the original creditors have already wrote off as a capital loss and claimed against taxable income as confirmed in the claimants witness statement exhibit by way of the Deed of Assignment. 3. As an assignee or creditor as defined in section 189 of the CCA this applies to this new requirement on assignment of rights.  This means that when an assignee purchases debts (or otherwise acquires rights under a credit agreement) it also acquires certain obligations to the borrower including the duty to comply with CCA requirements (such as the rules on statements and notices and other post-contractual information).  The assignee becomes the creditor under the agreement. This ensures that essential consumer protections under the CCA cannot be circumvented by assigning the debt to a third party. 4.  I became aware of original Judgement following a routine credit check on or around 14th September 2020. 5. The alleged letter of claim dated 7 January 2020 was served to a previous address which I moved out of in 2018, no effort was made to ascertain my correct address.  I have attached a copy of my tenancy agreement which is marked ‘Appendix 1’ and shows I was residing at a difference address as of 11 December 2018 and was therefore not at the service address at the time the proceedings were served.  I have also attached an email from my solicitors to the Claimants solicitors dated 14 July 2022 which was sent to them requesting that they disclose the trace of evidence they utilised prior to issuing the proceedings against me.  This is marked ‘Appendix 2’. The claimants solicitors did not provide me with these documents. 6. Under The Pre-Action Protocol for Debt Claims 2017 a Debt Buyer must undertake all reasonable enquiries to ensure the correct address of a debtor, this can be as simple as a credit file search. The Claimant failed to carry out such basic checks. Subsequently all letters prior to and including ,The Pre action Protocol letter of claim dated 7 January 2020 and the claim form dated 14th February 2020 were all served to a previous address which I moved out of in 2018. 7. Upon the discovery of the Judgement debt, I made immediate contact with the Court and the Claimant Solicitors, putting them on notice that I was making investigations in relation to the Judgement debt as it was not familiar to me.  I asked them to provide me with a copy of the original loan agreement but this was not provided to me.   The correspondence to the Claimant Solicitor's is attached and marked ‘Appendix 3’ 8. On (insert date) I successfully made application to set a side the judgment. The claim proceeded to allocation, 9. The claimant failed to comply with the additional directions ordered by District Judge Davis on the 2 February 2024 'The Claim shall be automatically struck out at 4pm on 3 April 2024 unless the Claimant delivers to the Court and to the Defendant the following documents.' None of these documents were received by the court nor the defendant by that date. (insert date you did receive the documents) I then sent a Data Subject Access Request to Barclays but no agreement was provided. Details the timeline of communication between myself and Barclays are attached and marked ‘Appendix 4’and the copies of correspondence between myself and Barclays are attached and marked ‘Appendix 5’. Remove irrelevant 10.The claimant relies upon and has exhibited a reconstituted version of the alleged agreement. It is again denied that I have ever entered into an agreement with Barclaycard on or around 2000.  It is admitted that I did hold other credit agreements with other creditors and as such should this be a debt that was assigned to Barclaycard from another brand therefore the reconstituted agreement disclosed is invalid being pre April 2007 and not legally enforceable pursuant to HHJ Judge Waksman in Carey v HSBC 2009 EWHC3417.  Details of this are attached and marked ‘Appendix 6’. The original credit agreement must be provided along with any reconstituted version on a modified credit agreement and must contain the names and address of debtor and creditor, agreement number and cancelation clause. 11. Therefore the claimant is put to strict proof to disclose a true executed legible agreement on which its claim relies upon and not mislead the court. 12. It is denied I have ever received a default Notice pursuant to sec 87(1) CCA1974.The claimant is put to strict proof to evidence from the original creditors internal document software the trigger of said notice.  13.   As per CPR 1.4(2)(a) the court encourages parties to cooperate with each other in the conduct of proceedings in order to try and save time and costs for the parties and to also save the time and resources of the court however, despite vast attempts at mediation the claimants have been most unreasonable and have remained unwilling to mediate. 14. Until such time the claimant can comply and disclose a true executed copy of the original assigned agreement they refer to within the particulars of this claim they are not entitled while the default continues, to enforce the agreement pursuant to section 78.6 (a) of the Credit Consumer Act 1974. I believe that the facts stated in this Witness Statement are true.  I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth. Signed                 ………………………………………………….. Name                  XXXX Date                     30 April 2024   Run 3 copies Court /Claimants Sol/File
    • As one of you mentioned above I've been in a mess for nearly 20 years now and I'm ready to sort my credit report out now - the main reason I got into second round of debt is my kids being unwell and the state considering them not unwell enough for extra help so despite my son being in hospital for 3 months in one year we got extra zero help and I eventually lost my job and got into debt to just so I can be تا my sons hospital bed at his time of need - my life basically fell apart and all these debts got me again 
    • Gosh mate I've woke up this morning with half the worry I had last night when going to sleep!.  I can't believe how much this forum has helped me over the years and I don't  have the words to explain the gratitude I feel towards you guys -  Now that I've slept on it I feel ready to reject this company and my plan is to make them an offer to accept payments to date as full and final settlement - I will I think write them a letter once my review is completed or maybe just send it now whilst they are reviewing explaining my kids are unwell for which reason I'm struggling to survive and if I can politely request for them to accept payment to date as a full and final - I'll mention I don't have any cash or anyone to borrow from to offer a full or even part amount of the remaining balance of the iva and therfore am unable to make a offer of payment.   If they agree to at least even put my offer to the creditors then I feel it's better I hang in there and that way I won't have to deal with any possibilities of more defaults and ccjs    Right now the only adverse effects on my credit report are the iva that is now 3 years old and 2 Ccj one coming of this July and one thus October.    But I am worried new action will begin and new defaults and Ccj may start to appear because I've paying into an agreement im under the impression the 6 year rules starts again so yes I have lost of mixed feelings about this but I'm not going to lie you guys have put some life back into my breath this week as for the last 3 years I've felt caged like an animal and this morning I feel freer I can't explain how much but certainly my soul feel lighter today thanks to yin because I'm now viewing this review totally different to I do yesterday thanks to you guys 
    • Court name UNKNOWN Case number ********** Amount N/A Confirmed by Insolvency Service Date issued May 2021 Type Voluntary Arrangement Notes If you have questions about voluntary arrangements you should speak to the Insolvency Service.     I started this in 2021. So it's been about 3 years I've been paying. 
    • Thanks @lookinforinfo@Nicky Boyi sent across the agreement earlier in this thread. No mention of financial reward to the MA. But, I wouldn't be surprised if it was done on the sly. As I said earlier, the owner of OPS is a convicted criminal, with a very shady reputation around these parts.
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hello to everyone.

At last I have (I think) found out how to 'post'!

just found out that llodstsb have filed a defence. I know what happens next but am worried. Have they ever won?

They have taken about £4000 from my account and have just phoned to say that they are going to take action against me because I am overdrawn by £1100. Politely told them what they could do.

Also feeling the effects of snowballing! Got a letter from court regarding house repossession and bailiffs are threatening to take the car if we don't pay the rest of the council tax for last year. This is all as a result of the bank xxxxxx money from my account and can be sorted if I win.

 

 

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Tell them that the balance is in dispute (due to an unlawful level of charges) and they are not allowed to take any further action until the dispute is resolved.

 

Only one case has knowingly been lost, but that was where the claimant wasn't well prepared, and the defence that was used by the bank has successfully been countered since then.

Jeep (The Wife & I)

Halifax joint a/c (£3800 charges + £40 interest on charges over 11 years) - paid in full 23/06/06

Halifax joint a/c new charges £1100 - LBA sent 02/08/06

Halifax 2nd a/c (£1500 charges + £150 interest on charges) - partial payment received 13/07/06 (no s69 interest) - AQ filed 07/08/06 - Court awarded 50% of s69 interest (Bank didn't turn up!)

Halifax Visa (#1) Data Protection Act sent - statements arrived - £350 so far

Halifax Visa (#2) Data Protection Act sent - refunded £170

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Thanks Jeep,

It is reasuring to know that at least I have a fighting chance and what to tell them if they phone again.

When I sent my DPA letter and payment they asked if I would like my statements for my Lloydstsb credit card as well.Obviously I said yes but they only sent some. I have phoned them and asked for the rest but they still haven't arrived. Can anyone suggest what I should do?

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I've just received an allocation questionnaire. Can anyone advise on filling it in please? Feeling very worried and desperate about the whole thing as we are struggling financially and need to carry on with this claim to get us out of the mess we are in. Almost £4000 riding on this.

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Hi jillg

 

You need to post this in the LTSB forum as this is just for 1st post's from new users:)

 

Goto the LTSB forum and start a new thread in there and someone will help you;)

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I've just received an allocation questionnaire.

Can anyone advise how to fill it in please?

 

Very worried and stressed about the whole situation as we are in a complete mess financially but can't and won't give up as this could help us get a bit sorted.

 

Almost £4000 riding on this.

 

By the way the bank are still adding more charges each month.

 

What do I do about these?

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try pm (ing) a mod do this by looking through threads for a moderator or helper? click on their image or name and go to pm this person you can then e-mail them some questions. Stay calm though buddy I am sure you have nothing to panik about!?

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  • 2 weeks later...

Received allocation questionnaire from lloyds tsb today. They have ticked the box to say that they want an extra month so that they 'can attempt to settle the claim either by informal discussion or by alternative dispute resolution.' They have also ticked the yes box to say that there are days when they cannot attend court for the hearing and that is... all of September. I am a bit confused. Does it mean that they are going to make an offer to pay back my money or are they delaying further??

 

I also had the opportunity to talk to Mr. Thomas yesterday and told him that, as the bank had not made a counter claim against me, they should stop trying to intimidate me with court action as I am overdrawn on my overdraft as a result of their charges and as I have taken action against the bank they can do nothing until that matter is resolved.

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jillg, there are no depths to which LTSB will not sink in order to deflect you from your mission.

 

Give the sol's a call (or write) saying yes, I'm ready for an informal discussion, what have you got to say? Or, perhaps you would like to indulge in some alternative dispute resolution, please go ahead. Let's get it over with!

 

If you get a derisory offer, or no offer, write to the court explaining that LTSB have already had xx days to resolve the matter and have so far refused to negotiate. You have therefore exhausted all possibilities for agreement and totally disagree with any further delay. Send sols a copy of that letter.

 

Who is Mr Thomas?

 

Elsinore

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Morning jill,

I called scm at this stage to ask why they needed a further month and I cant go in to detail sorry but lets say I'm gonna have a good weekend, read my thread brecken v Lloyds

Bet Mr Tomas is ready for a holiday lol

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Hi Elsinore and brecken and anyone else reading,

Many thanks for the advice. Will contact sols Tues am. Need to get this sorted asap.

Mr Thomas , I believe, is the sol dealing with this. He said that he is only acting on the instuctions of their clients when I told him to stop sending me threatening letters about taking me to court because I have exceeded my overdraft ( which is as a result of the charges against my account). I also pointed out that they did not counter claim so basically they can wait till they pay me!

And yes... he did sound like he needed a holiday!

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I understand that one of the conditions of settling is that the bank will credit the account with any money refunded. Can they withdraw my overdraft and can they take money out to pay my credit card? We are in serious financial trouble as a result of the charges. We have a repossesion hearing on our mortgage at the end of september. If I am able to have control of my money if and when they do refund, then I can get sorted but if they start taking it, then we are in deep s--t.

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Tell them that you want the money in a cheque as one of your conditions of settlement. They have no right to tell you what to do with your own money.

 

be aware though they are within their rights to demand payment of the OD and CC so may have to come to some arrangement once you have your money. The format you recieve it in though is entirely up to you.

Mindzai & Lucid vs Lloyds TSB

 

Mindzai's Account - Partial settlement offer rejected

Joint Account - Partial settlement offer rejected

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Just recieved my offer from SCM. I am not happy with condition 3:

"Payment of £XXXXXXX will be paid in full and final settlement of this claim and any future claims you have or may have against LLoyds TSB Bank plc arising out of, or in any way connected to, this claim, and any further charges on your account."

 

What's all that about? Does it mean that the bank can charge me again and I can do nothing about it? I'm also about to go for the charges to my credit card account.

 

I can't delay too long on settling because of the situation with the mortgage , but I can't sell my soul to the devil either.

 

By the way I,ve just checked my account and found that they have taken a further £98.01 yesterday! Do I tell the solicitor that they now need to add the £98.01 to the settlement?

 

Time is really of the essence in my case, especially as I am going to request payment by cheque.

 

I don't think I have ever been as stressed as I am at the moment.

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Firstly, do not agree to that condition. I suggest you remind SCM who is suing who. Absolutely do not be coerced into agreeing to that. Secondly, yes tell them to add the £98 and anything else they are thinking of charging you in the near future.

Mindzai & Lucid vs Lloyds TSB

 

Mindzai's Account - Partial settlement offer rejected

Joint Account - Partial settlement offer rejected

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  • 2 weeks later...

I think Lloyds are trying to pull a fast one!!!!

 

I returned the offer to scm with the bit about future claims etc deleted and signed.

I also told them that I wanted paying by cheque and that they should also refund the £98.

I added that I would not be coerced into accepting any other conditions.

 

Yesterday I checked my account and found that they have credited it with the original amount, which really annoyed me, if you know what I mean. They have to have control of my money and where it goes and also have the last word.

 

I went straight down there and got a cheque made out to pay the mortgage (to stop the repossession hearing).

They charged me £10 for this! ( my debit card had expired last month and they didn't send me another one)

 

Now I am going to phone to see if they will refund the £98 or I will start again.

 

Today I have at last received the statements for my credit card after sending a letter re court action if they did not reply in 7 days (from templates). I have been waiting for these since March!!!! but because of a feeling of inertia due to our financial situation I didn't feel able to tackle that at the same time.

 

Having won, I now (well almost) I feel I can now do it.

 

Last night I slept through for the first time in ages, knowing that the repo hearing will be cancelled.

 

Cheers everyone. I couldn't have done it without you.

 

Just phoned ltsb only to be told that they are not in a position to refund the £98.

so it looks like I have to go through all the process again!

 

Has this happened to anyone else?

 

These charges have been added whilst their solicitor was offering to settle. It is so frustrating and annoying!!!!

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Make sure you send them a firm letter reminding them that they have just settled for the amount they took PLUS costs and interest. Point out that in light of the fact that you have demonstrated that you will not stand for their unlawful charges, it will be in their best interest to repay the charges now before they incur further costs and end up paying them back anyway. Probably wont get you far with Lloyds because they are so stupid and arrogant that logic doesn't seem to apply, but it's worth a try. I'd avoid phoning them where possible because their phone staff are invariably useless.

Mindzai & Lucid vs Lloyds TSB

 

Mindzai's Account - Partial settlement offer rejected

Joint Account - Partial settlement offer rejected

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PLEASE NOTE: You should fully research contractual interest before you use that functionality of this spreadsheet. If in any doubt please use it to calculate 8% interest under s69 County Courts Act 1984.

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