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    • further polished WS using above suggestions and also included couple of more modifications highlighted in orange are those ok to include?   Background   1.1  The Defendant received the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) on the 06th of January 2020 following the vehicle being parked at Arla Old Dairy, South Ruislip on the 05th of December 2019.   Unfair PCN   2.1  On 19th December 2023 the Defendant sent the Claimant's solicitors a CPR request.  As shown in Exhibit 1 (pages 7-13) sent by the solicitors the signage displayed in their evidence clearly shows a £60.00 parking charge notice (which will be reduced to £30 if paid within 14 days of issue).  2.2  Yet the PCN sent by the Claimant is for a £100.00 parking charge notice (reduced to £60 if paid within 30 days of issue).   2.3        The Claimant relies on signage to create a contract.  It is unlawful for the Claimant to write that the charge is £60 on their signs and then send demands for £100.    2.4        The unlawful £100 charge is also the basis for the Claimant's Particulars of Claim.  No Locus Standi  3.1  I do not believe a contract with the landowner, that is provided following the defendant’s CPR request, gives MET Parking Services a right to bring claims in their own name. Definition of “Relevant contract” from the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4,  2 [1] means a contract Including a contract arising only when the vehicle was parked on the relevant land between the driver and a person who is-   (a) the owner or occupier of the land; or   (b) Authorised, under or by virtue of arrangements made by the owner or occupier of the land, to enter into a contract with the driver requiring the payment of parking charges in respect of the parking of the vehicle on the land. According to https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/46/section/44   For a contract to be valid, it requires a director from each company to sign and then two independent witnesses must confirm those signatures.   3.2  The Defendant requested to see such a contract in the CPR request.  The fact that no contract has been produced with the witness signatures present means the contract has not been validly executed. Therefore, there can be no contract established between MET Parking Services and the motorist. Even if “Parking in Electric Bay” could form a contract (which it cannot), it is immaterial. There is no valid contract.  Illegal Conduct – No Contract Formed   4.1 At the time of writing, the Claimant has failed to provide the following, in response to the CPR request from myself.   4.2        The legal contract between the Claimant and the landowner (which in this case is Standard Life Investments UK) to provide evidence that there is an agreement in place with landowner with the necessary authority to issue parking charge notices and to pursue payment by means of litigation.   4.3 Proof of planning permission granted for signage etc under the Town and country Planning Act 1990. Lack of planning permission is a criminal offence under this Act and no contract can be formed where criminality is involved.   4.4        I also do not believe the claimant possesses these documents.   No Keeper Liability   5.1        The defendant was not the driver at the time and date mentioned in the PCN and the claimant has not established keeper liability under schedule 4 of the PoFA 2012. In this matter, the defendant puts it to the claimant to produce strict proof as to who was driving at the time.   5.2 The claimant in their Notice To Keeper also failed to comply with PoFA 2012 Schedule 4 section 9[2][f] while mentioning “the right to recover from the keeper so much of that parking charge as remains unpaid” where they did not include statement “(if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met)”.     5.3         The claimant did not mention parking period, times on the photographs are separate from the PCN and in any case are that arrival and departure times not the parking period since their times include driving to and from the parking space as a minimum and can include extra time to allow pedestrians and other vehicles to pass in front.    Protection of Freedoms Act 2012   The notice must -   (a) specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates;  22. In the persuasive judgement K4GF167G - Premier Park Ltd v Mr Mathur - Horsham County Court – 5 January 2024 it was on this very point that the judge dismissed this claim.  5.4  A the PCN does not comply with the Act the Defendant as keeper is not liable.  No Breach of Contract   6.1       No breach of contract occurred because the PCN and contract provided as part of the defendant’s CPR request shows different post code, PCN shows HA4 0EY while contract shows HA4 0FY. According to PCN defendant parked on HA4 0EY which does not appear to be subject to the postcode covered by the contract.  6.2         The entrance sign does not mention anything about there being other terms inside the car park so does not offer a contract which makes it only an offer to treat,  Interest  7.1  It is unreasonable for the Claimant to delay litigation for  Double Recovery   7.2  The claim is littered with made-up charges.  7.3  As noted above, the Claimant's signs state a £60 charge yet their PCN is for £100.  7.4  As well as the £100 parking charge, the Claimant seeks recovery of an additional £70.  This is simply a poor attempt to circumvent the legal costs cap at small claims.  7.5 Since 2019, many County Courts have considered claims in excess of £100 to be an abuse of process leading to them being struck out ab initio. An example, in the Caernarfon Court in VCS v Davies, case No. FTQZ4W28 on 4th September 2019, District Judge Jones-Evans stated “Upon it being recorded that District Judge Jones- Evans has over a very significant period of time warned advocates (...) in many cases of this nature before this court that their claim for £60 is unenforceable in law and is an abuse of process and is nothing more than a poor attempt to go behind the decision of the Supreme Court v Beavis which inter alia decided that a figure of £160 as a global sum claimed in this case would be a penalty and not a genuine pre-estimate of loss and therefore unenforceable in law and if the practice continued, he would treat all cases as a claim for £160 and therefore a penalty and unenforceable in law it is hereby declared (…) the claim is struck out and declared to be wholly without merit and an abuse of process.”  7.6 In Claim Nos. F0DP806M and F0DP201T, District Judge Taylor echoed earlier General Judgment or Orders of District Judge Grand, stating ''It is ordered that the claim is struck out as an abuse of process. The claim contains a substantial charge additional to the parking charge which it is alleged the Defendant contracted to pay. This additional charge is not recoverabl15e under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4 nor with reference to the judgment in Parking Eye v Beavis. It is an abuse of process from the Claimant to issue a knowingly inflated claim for an additional sum which it is not entitled to recover. This order has been made by the court of its own initiative without a hearing pursuant to CPR Rule 3.3(4)) of the Civil Procedure Rules 1998...''  7.7 In the persuasive case of G4QZ465V - Excel Parking Services Ltd v Wilkinson – Bradford County Court -2 July 2020 (Exhibit 4) the judge had decided that Excel had won. However, due to Excel adding on the £60 the Judge dismissed the case.  7.8        The addition of costs not previously specified on signage are also in breach of the Consumer Rights Act 2015, Schedule 2, specifically paras 6, 10 and 14.   7.9        It is the Defendant’s position that the Claimant in this case has knowingly submitted inflated costs and thus the entire claim should be similarly struck out in accordance with Civil Procedure Rule 3.3(4).   In Conclusion   8.1        I invite the court to dismiss the claim.  Statement of Truth  I believe that the facts stated in this witness statement are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.   
    • Well the difference is that in all our other cases It was Kev who was trying to entrap the motorist so sticking two fingers up to him and daring him to try court was from a position of strength. In your case, sorry, you made a mistake so you're not in the position of strength.  I've looked on Google Maps and the signs are few & far between as per Kev's MO, but there is an entrance sign saying "Pay & Display" (and you've admitted in writing that you knew you had to pay) and the signs by the payment machines do say "Sea View Car Park" (and you've admitted in writing you paid the wrong car park ... and maybe outed yourself as the driver). Something I missed in my previous post is that the LoC is only for one ticket, not two. Sorry, but it's impossible to definitively advise what to so. Personally I'd probably gamble on Kev being a serial bottler of court and reply with a snotty letter ridiculing the signage (given you mentioned the signage in your appeal) - but it is a gamble.  
    • No! What has happened is that your pix were up-to-date: 5 hours' maximum stay and £100 PCN. The lazy solicitors have sent ancient pictures: 4 hours' maximum stay and £60 PCN. Don't let on!  Let them be hoisted by their own lazy petard in the court hearing (if they don't bottle before).
    • Thanks for all the suggestions so far I will amend original WS and send again for review.  While looking at my post at very beginning when I submitted photos of signs around the car park I noticed that it says 5 hours maximum stay while the signage sent by solicitor shows 4 hours maximum stay but mine is related to electric bay abuse not sure if this can be of any use in WS.
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Hi, why do you think Cap1 have not issued court proceedings, they have the perfect vehicle through freds/bryan carter to do so.

 

They DO NOT have a leg to stand on that's why!, as is the case with every single one i have seen on here.

 

They will eventually sell it to the likes of lowell, (as they have done with mine) Tune in for more episodes on my thread with cap1!

Please note i have no legal training any advice i give comes from my own experience and from what i have learned on this site

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I believe you are right, they have all these powers and we are just skint flints

so yes why don't they just take me to Court you have hit the nail. I am going for gold now will let you know. Thanks a mill for your input.

 

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Make a complaint to your local trading standards & the OFT with regards to their harassment and threats, they are in clear breach of OFT guidelines & CPUT ;

 

 

http://www.oft.gov.uk/shared_oft/business_leaflets/consumer_credit/DebtCollectionComplaintForm.DOC

 

The Office of Fair Trading: Contact us

 

[email protected]

 

The Office of Fair Trading: Debt collection practices

 

tel: 020 7211 5823

Debt collection guidance - Final guidance on unfair business practices - oft664

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Personally i would just wait for freds to pass it to the infamous Bryan Carter outfit (their sister solicitor firm), and take it from there (many threads on carter here):D

Please note i have no legal training any advice i give comes from my own experience and from what i have learned on this site

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Cerb,

 

Sorry to be thick I looked on the links you gave me but not sure which letter of comjplaint do I send to the OFT etc and also do I write to Freds and tell them I have reported them. If you have time please could you help.

 

Regards,

 

 

Mashmallow

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The first link is a complaint form you can download a fill in.

 

The second is a link to the OFT website'

 

The third is an OFT email address who you can contact directly to complain.

 

Don't bother contacting Freds.

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Hello Members,

 

After receiving a letter from Freds, got another letter from Cap 1 today.

I don't know what is going on but after sending a complain to the TS which I done today and after sending the CPR 31.16 I get this:-

 

As I've already explained in accordance with section 78 1983 we have provided you with with a copy of your original agreement bla bla bla. Your account status remains in default. We do not accept that your request satisfies the criteria at CPR 31.16, we do not believe that a copy of your original agreement would have to be disclosed under CPR31.6 as part of our standard disclosure obligations. In essence it is your case that you are entiled to a copy of the org agreement it is in our case that you are not. This is for the court to decide. The disclosure will not help the court to decide. We shall refer this letter to the court if regardless of the above you decide to make an application under CPr etc., You now have the option of contaction the FO. What on earth does this mean and what do i do now.

 

Please help.

 

Regards,

 

Mashmallow

 

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Sent CPR 31 to cap one only to get a letter from Freds chasing the debt again. Recent letter they sent I have attached, can anyone tell me what they mean and what do I send them.

 

Thanks

 

 

Mashallow

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Now where have I seen that letter before :confused: Oh, yes, I have one filed too :D

 

Not much you can do, I think. You've pretty much done all you can to get a copy from them. They are not going to change their position. The only option now is they take you to court and you get them to disclose the agreement as part of the proceedings.

 

I send Ms Renshaw this letter

 

I DO NOT AKNOWLEDGE ANY DEBT TO YOUR COMPANY

 

Dear Ms Renshaw

 

Re: *ACCOUNT NUMBER* ACCOUNT IN DISPUTE

Re: My request under Sections 77-79 of the Consumer Credit act 1974

 

Thank you for your letter dated *DATE* and your further letter dated 2 *DATE*, the contents of which have been noted. However, the reply received by me does not fulfill your obligations under the Consumer Credit Act 1974.

 

The Act demands that I be supplied with a true copy of any properly executed credit agreement that exists in relation to the above alleged account. I may ask for this on demand providing that a fee of £1.00 is paid. This fee was sent with my original letter dated *DATE*, upon receipt of the original request the specified account legally entered into disputed status.

 

My request remains outstanding. A generic credit card agreement does not constitute a true copy of a credit agreement that exists in relation to the above account and that which you have sent does not contain all of the prescribed terms that the Act calls for and is not properly executed. In addition, the generic credit card agreement does not state the account number. The current ‘conditions’ sent are irrelevant. I also require you to provide full details of all payments/interest/charges/balances to the account since its alleged inception to date.

 

As you will know, under the Consumer Credit Act 1974, a judge is not permitted to make any enforcement order unless the creditor can provide a true, signed copy of the original credit agreement. This means that unless you can provide such an agreement, this alleged debt is not enforceable in law.

 

You had until *DATE*to provide me with the true copy I requested. After that date you entered into default of my request. Whilst the account is in dispute, you are not permitted to ask for payment, nor am I obliged to offer any payment to you.

Furthermore, whilst the dispute remains, you are not entitled to charge any interest to the account, nor make any further charges to the account. Additionally, you are not entitled to register any information on this account with any credit reference agencies (or any third party and you may not legally transfer this alleged debt to any debt collection agency).

 

To register information with a credit reference agency, you must have written consent from the data subject to collate and share such information. This consent is given in the form of a signed credit agreement, so until you produce such an agreement, you do not have consent to share my information.

 

I respectfully ask you to remove any default references or data added to my credit file.

The requirement for consent to share data is a clear requirement of the Data Protection Act 1998. Any such attempts to share my data without my consent will be met with a complaint to the Information Commissioner’s Office.

 

The time limits, which are laid down in the Consumer Credit (prescribed periods for giving information) Regulations 1983 are clear. You must supply an executed credit agreement within 12 working days of a proper CCA request. If you fail to comply with a legitimate request the account enters a default situation.

 

Therefore you have until the *DATE* to contact me with your intentions to resolve this matter which is now a formal complaint, otherwise your conduct may be reported to the Office of Fair Trading, the Financial Ombudsman and Trading Standards, Any investigation undertaken by them may affect your ability to offer credit in the future.

 

In summary, I will not be making any further payments to you until you provide me with the documents I have requested. Should you not have any signed credit agreement in relation to this alleged debt, please confirm this in writing to me.

 

I look forward to your reply

 

Edit to suit your circumstances.

Please note that I am not a solicitor or legally trained. The advice I give is from my own personal experience based on my own personal circumstance. If you choose to follow any advice I may give, please make sure you understand the implications of following that advice. :-)

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