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    • further polished WS using above suggestions and also included couple of more modifications highlighted in orange are those ok to include?   Background   1.1  The Defendant received the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) on the 06th of January 2020 following the vehicle being parked at Arla Old Dairy, South Ruislip on the 05th of December 2019.   Unfair PCN   2.1  On 19th December 2023 the Defendant sent the Claimant's solicitors a CPR request.  As shown in Exhibit 1 (pages 7-13) sent by the solicitors the signage displayed in their evidence clearly shows a £60.00 parking charge notice (which will be reduced to £30 if paid within 14 days of issue).  2.2  Yet the PCN sent by the Claimant is for a £100.00 parking charge notice (reduced to £60 if paid within 30 days of issue).   2.3        The Claimant relies on signage to create a contract.  It is unlawful for the Claimant to write that the charge is £60 on their signs and then send demands for £100.    2.4        The unlawful £100 charge is also the basis for the Claimant's Particulars of Claim.  No Locus Standi  3.1  I do not believe a contract with the landowner, that is provided following the defendant’s CPR request, gives MET Parking Services a right to bring claims in their own name. Definition of “Relevant contract” from the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4,  2 [1] means a contract Including a contract arising only when the vehicle was parked on the relevant land between the driver and a person who is-   (a) the owner or occupier of the land; or   (b) Authorised, under or by virtue of arrangements made by the owner or occupier of the land, to enter into a contract with the driver requiring the payment of parking charges in respect of the parking of the vehicle on the land. According to https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/46/section/44   For a contract to be valid, it requires a director from each company to sign and then two independent witnesses must confirm those signatures.   3.2  The Defendant requested to see such a contract in the CPR request.  The fact that no contract has been produced with the witness signatures present means the contract has not been validly executed. Therefore, there can be no contract established between MET Parking Services and the motorist. Even if “Parking in Electric Bay” could form a contract (which it cannot), it is immaterial. There is no valid contract.  Illegal Conduct – No Contract Formed   4.1 At the time of writing, the Claimant has failed to provide the following, in response to the CPR request from myself.   4.2        The legal contract between the Claimant and the landowner (which in this case is Standard Life Investments UK) to provide evidence that there is an agreement in place with landowner with the necessary authority to issue parking charge notices and to pursue payment by means of litigation.   4.3 Proof of planning permission granted for signage etc under the Town and country Planning Act 1990. 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In this matter, the defendant puts it to the claimant to produce strict proof as to who was driving at the time.   5.2 The claimant in their Notice To Keeper also failed to comply with PoFA 2012 Schedule 4 section 9[2][f] while mentioning “the right to recover from the keeper so much of that parking charge as remains unpaid” where they did not include statement “(if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met)”.     5.3         The claimant did not mention parking period, times on the photographs are separate from the PCN and in any case are that arrival and departure times not the parking period since their times include driving to and from the parking space as a minimum and can include extra time to allow pedestrians and other vehicles to pass in front.    Protection of Freedoms Act 2012   The notice must -   (a) specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates;  22. In the persuasive judgement K4GF167G - Premier Park Ltd v Mr Mathur - Horsham County Court – 5 January 2024 it was on this very point that the judge dismissed this claim.  5.4  A the PCN does not comply with the Act the Defendant as keeper is not liable.  No Breach of Contract   6.1       No breach of contract occurred because the PCN and contract provided as part of the defendant’s CPR request shows different post code, PCN shows HA4 0EY while contract shows HA4 0FY. According to PCN defendant parked on HA4 0EY which does not appear to be subject to the postcode covered by the contract.  6.2         The entrance sign does not mention anything about there being other terms inside the car park so does not offer a contract which makes it only an offer to treat,  Interest  7.1  It is unreasonable for the Claimant to delay litigation for  Double Recovery   7.2  The claim is littered with made-up charges.  7.3  As noted above, the Claimant's signs state a £60 charge yet their PCN is for £100.  7.4  As well as the £100 parking charge, the Claimant seeks recovery of an additional £70.  This is simply a poor attempt to circumvent the legal costs cap at small claims.  7.5 Since 2019, many County Courts have considered claims in excess of £100 to be an abuse of process leading to them being struck out ab initio. An example, in the Caernarfon Court in VCS v Davies, case No. FTQZ4W28 on 4th September 2019, District Judge Jones-Evans stated “Upon it being recorded that District Judge Jones- Evans has over a very significant period of time warned advocates (...) in many cases of this nature before this court that their claim for £60 is unenforceable in law and is an abuse of process and is nothing more than a poor attempt to go behind the decision of the Supreme Court v Beavis which inter alia decided that a figure of £160 as a global sum claimed in this case would be a penalty and not a genuine pre-estimate of loss and therefore unenforceable in law and if the practice continued, he would treat all cases as a claim for £160 and therefore a penalty and unenforceable in law it is hereby declared (…) the claim is struck out and declared to be wholly without merit and an abuse of process.”  7.6 In Claim Nos. F0DP806M and F0DP201T, District Judge Taylor echoed earlier General Judgment or Orders of District Judge Grand, stating ''It is ordered that the claim is struck out as an abuse of process. The claim contains a substantial charge additional to the parking charge which it is alleged the Defendant contracted to pay. This additional charge is not recoverabl15e under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4 nor with reference to the judgment in Parking Eye v Beavis. It is an abuse of process from the Claimant to issue a knowingly inflated claim for an additional sum which it is not entitled to recover. This order has been made by the court of its own initiative without a hearing pursuant to CPR Rule 3.3(4)) of the Civil Procedure Rules 1998...''  7.7 In the persuasive case of G4QZ465V - Excel Parking Services Ltd v Wilkinson – Bradford County Court -2 July 2020 (Exhibit 4) the judge had decided that Excel had won. However, due to Excel adding on the £60 the Judge dismissed the case.  7.8        The addition of costs not previously specified on signage are also in breach of the Consumer Rights Act 2015, Schedule 2, specifically paras 6, 10 and 14.   7.9        It is the Defendant’s position that the Claimant in this case has knowingly submitted inflated costs and thus the entire claim should be similarly struck out in accordance with Civil Procedure Rule 3.3(4).   In Conclusion   8.1        I invite the court to dismiss the claim.  Statement of Truth  I believe that the facts stated in this witness statement are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.   
    • Well the difference is that in all our other cases It was Kev who was trying to entrap the motorist so sticking two fingers up to him and daring him to try court was from a position of strength. In your case, sorry, you made a mistake so you're not in the position of strength.  I've looked on Google Maps and the signs are few & far between as per Kev's MO, but there is an entrance sign saying "Pay & Display" (and you've admitted in writing that you knew you had to pay) and the signs by the payment machines do say "Sea View Car Park" (and you've admitted in writing you paid the wrong car park ... and maybe outed yourself as the driver). Something I missed in my previous post is that the LoC is only for one ticket, not two. Sorry, but it's impossible to definitively advise what to so. Personally I'd probably gamble on Kev being a serial bottler of court and reply with a snotty letter ridiculing the signage (given you mentioned the signage in your appeal) - but it is a gamble.  
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Here's the situation:

 

Our Landlord has refused to give our deposit back. She has provided a petty list of disputable charges and offered us £400. I refused. Upon researching further, it appears I have a good case for sueing for TDS non-compliance. I am about to send her a Letter Before Action (LBA) requesting the £800 within 14 days or we go to court and I claim that, plus 3x again.

 

Here's the story so far:

 

Our deposit was placed in a personal bank account. She has stated on e-mail that the money is in such an account.

 

We originally signed an Assured Short-hold Tenancy (AST) in December 2006 for 6 months via a lettings agency. We paid 6 months in advance + £800 as deposit when we began the tenancy.

 

We renewed in June 2007 for 1 year, LL photocopied the original agreement and changed the dates for the new tenancy. We were not told that they had stopped using the lettings agent. This was a cost saving excercise.

 

Renewed again July 2008, resigning a new agreement for 1 year. There was a 2 month notice period agreed both ways and this was added to the agreement.

 

In January 2009 we gave 6 weeks notice to leave the property (Feb 20th) and e-mailed the LL to request that this was OK and would bear no financial penalty and the LL agreed by e-mail.

We handed the keys back and she said she would do the inventory the next day. We then got an e-mail detailing her reasons for not returning the deposit and got really petty over wear and tear and sent a list of charges (that I can justify if required) - she attached images from 2004 to show the condition of the house when we moved in - in December 2006! Anyway, that's another case - my claim here is for TDS Non-Compliance, she is welcome to make a separate claim if she wishes.

 

Questions:

 

1. Should I use part 8 of the CPR and submit the N208 form when the LBA deadline date is up? The other method is N1 but all the threads I have read indicate that N208 is the way forward.

 

2. Do I need to produce the e-mails at the point of sending the N208 to the court as evidence with a 'statement of truth'?

 

3. Do I need written confirmation from the 3 TDS schemes that our deposit is not logged with them and does that also go with the N208?

 

4. Can the LL still place the deposit in a TDS (even though our tenancy ended Feb 09) and avoid the 3x penalty?

 

5. Should I send a copy of the completed N208 with the LBA or just advise that I have it completed and that it's ready to send?

 

Thanks in advance for any help or advice offered!! :-)

 

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1. Should I use part 8 of the CPR and submit the N208 form when the LBA deadline date is up? The other method is N1 but all the threads I have read indicate that N208 is the way forward.

Yes, submit N208, the courts advse you to use this. Its a straight forward case of non compliance, so part 8 is fine.

 

2. Do I need to produce the e-mails at the point of sending the N208 to the court as evidence with a 'statement of truth'? Yes, all your evidence is sent in with the claim form.

3. Do I need written confirmation from the 3 TDS schemes that our deposit is not logged with them and does that also go with the N208?

Not essential, but I would obtain these anyway

 

4. Can the LL still place the deposit in a TDS (even though our tenancy ended Feb 09) and avoid the 3x penalty? No, the schemes wont allow this

5. Should I send a copy of the completed N208 with the LBA or just advise that I have it completed and that it's ready to send? Send it, it shows you mean business

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Thank you for your advice - that's just what I needed to know :-)

 

I will advise progress in this post...

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4. Can the LL still place the deposit in a TDS (even though our tenancy ended Feb 09) and avoid the 3x penalty? No, the schemes wont allow this

 

 

 

I would disagree with your advice here. There are various cases out there where th deposit has been subsequently protected prior to the court date. I believe some (if not all) do allow retrospective protection.

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I would disagree with your advice here. There are various cases out there where th deposit has been subsequently protected prior to the court date. I believe some (if not all) do allow retrospective protection.

 

I agree with Planner here. Give them a call and ask them and they will tell you that a deposit can still be protected if its in the LL's hand. Whether thats post or during tenancy. Remember the TDS is their to provide recourse to dispute to both sides, so placing it in one of these schemes post tenancy has to be a good thing for both sides right?

 

However if this is say 2 months after the end of the tenancy, I'm not sure how a judge would rule re the 14 days, given that the idea behind the scheme is for the LL to not be able to hold onto a deposit for an undue length of time post tenancy.

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Hi, I just wanted to clear this up, so i have phoned all 3 schemes, all catergorically inform me that if the tenancy has ended, the deposit can not be protected. Not being argumentive though xx:p

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Hi DT, LL settled out of court for full amount. In a way, I wish i had gone to court, just to see how the judge would have ruled. However, with my sensible hat on, I would have been silly to persue it through court when i was offered full amount xx

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I have called all 3 services and none have any record. Send an e-mail requesting written confirmation.

 

Should I send the LBA now, informing her that I have confirmation and that the written confirmations will accompany the court claim or wait until I have the confirmations and then send the LBA?

 

Getting excited now!!

 

UPDATE:

 

Wow - Got an instant response from 'My Deposits' by e-mail - Negative of course :-)

 

Letter going to Bristol as they rejected my e-mail for some reason. [email protected] is where I sent it. My e-mail address may be blocked on the system or something.

 

Just waiting on the e-mail from TDS and we're ready to serve.

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My LBA:

 

My Address

 

 

9th March 2009

Her Address

 

 

 

Dear LL,

 

Thank you for the return of the £13.00 overpayment of rent which I have now received in my account.

 

In light of the ongoing issue concerning the return of my £800 deposit for XXXXXX, it has come to my attention that under Chapter 4 of the Housing Act 2004, my deposit should have been placed in one of the government registered Tenancy Deposit Schemes (TDS), with details of the holding scheme forwarded to me within 14 days of you receiving this deposit.

 

I have now had confirmation from the three TDS schemes who have all confirmed that our deposit was not protected. This evidence will be presented to the court to support my claim along with e-mail correspondence relevant to this case.

 

You will be aware that penalties for non-TDS compliance are an absolute offence for which there is no defence. The penalties (detailed under Section 214(4) of the Housing Act 2004) for non-compliance are the full return of the deposit without any deductions and x3 the deposit amount, in this case a total of £3,200.00.

 

I require repayment in full of the money owed. If you do not comply fully within 14 days then I shall begin a claim against you for the full deposit plus three times the deposit and court costs without further notice.

 

Yours Sincerely

 

 

Me

I would appreciate any thoughts on this before I send it to her. I am e-mailing this and sending hard copy along with the completed court papers.

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I think it is important to reiterate the amount that you require the LL to pay. On reading your letter, it is unclear if you are just asking for the return of your deposit, or the return plus x3.

If you want to sue for the deposit plus x 3 it is correct to ask for payment of £3200.00 within 14 days.

It is important to get this letter correct as the judge will want to see that you have made every effort to recover the funds before going to court. x

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Thanks for your reply - good advice me thinks :-)

 

I have re-worded the LBA as follows:

 

 

Thank you for the return of the £13.00 overpayment of rent which I have now received in to my account.

In light of the ongoing issue concerning the return of my £800 deposit for the tenancy at 31 Greening Street, it has come to my attention that under Chapter 4 of the Housing Act 2004, my deposit should have been placed in one of the government registered Tenancy Deposit Schemes (TDS), with details of the holding scheme forwarded to me within 14 days of you receiving this deposit. This became law in April 2007.

 

I have now had confirmation from the three authorised TDS schemes who have all confirmed that our deposit was not protected. This written evidence will be presented to the court along with recent e-mail correspondence that also supports the case.

 

I now require repayment of the £800 deposit in full within 14 days. If you do not comply then I shall begin a court claim against you for the full deposit plus three times the deposit amount and court costs without further notice, as detailed below.

 

The penalties (detailed under Section 214(4) of the Housing Act 2004) for non-compliance are the full return of the deposit without any deductions and three times the deposit amount, in this case a total of £3,200.00. You will be aware that penalties for non-TDS compliance are an absolute offence for which there is no defence.

I look forward to your prompt reply.

 

How does that one sound?

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Sounds ok to me. Do you only want your deposit back then, I thought you were going for the x 3 penalty, if thats the case you LBA should ask her for £3200. or maybe you just want your deposit back and are using the threat of suing as leverage?

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The latter is correct. If she gives us the £800 - we are happy. If not, we go to court. I think that the judge will see that we have tried to be fair that way.

 

I have made a few more refinements to the LBA and am just about to send!!

 

Will post any responses here...

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The day before the LBA deadline expires, the LL sends this in an e-mail:

 

WITHOUT PREJUDICE

Dear ….

Thank you for your latest email dated 10 March 2009.

I still stand by my claim for financial compensation from you I'm afraid given the condition I found **the property** in when you vacated. It has been obvious from your behaviour and communications even before you left the property that you knew it was nowhere near the pristine condition that you took it on in December 2006. You even accept in writing that there was a cleaning bill to be footed. I, in turn, have a copy of the inventory you signed that December stating that all furniture and fittings were in 'as new condition' when you took the property on.

Re whether your deposit was protected or not, you have had every opportunity since April 2007 to query it with me given our frequent communications, in spite of the fact that I was based abroad. As I have always done my utmost to be a conscientious landlord to you and your family, and at all times acted in good faith, you know full well the outcome if you had queried the deposit with me. Instead you left it until the end of your tenancy in order to use it as a bargaining tool for blackmail. How astonishing after I had agreed, just the previous month, to give you a reference for your new landlord despite the fact you were still in rental arrears and also made no issue of your leaving with less notice than we had agreed on contractually.

Should you wish to pursue this matter to court of course you are at liberty to do so. I should warn you that it will be a lengthy and expensive, not to mention stressful, process for you and your family with no guarantee of the ultimate goal that you are after. In response I will be making a counter claim for compensation from you given the many clauses of the contract that you breached. I have already secured signed witness statements in support of my claim. You should also take note that the courts will take a dim view of your aggressive, threatening and patronising communications; they will want to see proof that you have acted constructively and taken all possible steps to avoid the legal process, not behaved belligerently from the start. Your first highly-charged email dated 23 February 2009 can be in no way interpreted as looking for a reasonable solution, it is quite simply childish and vengeful. Also, you would be wise to consider carefully the can of worms a court case will open regarding your tenancy at the house, including details such as the non-payment of utility bills, and the very real possibility that your new landlords will get to hear of it.

I have spoken to the Deposit Protection Service and they tell me that an independent adjudicator could not have assisted in this dispute as you threatened court action from the very beginning. It will look very much to the courts as though you have engineered this standoff as a means of personal financial gain.

In the unlikely event that you decide to accept my previous offer of returning half, i.e. £400, of your deposit please let me know in writing by signed letter stating that you accept it as full and final settlement.

Regards

LL

 

For the record, the utility bill she refers to is in dispute as British Gas screwed the bills up. We have informed all companies of our new address. I love the way she threatens us with the new LL finding out how terrible we are - they advised us to sue!!! I also like the guilt trip about giving us a reference and allowing us to leave two weeks before the 8 week notice period - she hadn't withheld the deposit at that time! I'm astonished at the passion in her e-mail - especially the accusation of blackmail!

 

Anyway, I have only received two written confirmations that our deposit wasn't protected (3 verbal) - should I wait for the third to arrive before preparing the court documents or continue regardless?

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as far as I could see your ex ll has not at any time stated she has now placed it in a scheme..

 

also from my own experience the ADR will not get involved if the case IS part of a court action.. There is nothing that suggest they wouldnt get involved if you had threatened it..

 

In fact in my case I had threatened action through the Courts but the ADR still took the case on with both Mine and my Ex LL agreement. We pulled out in the final stages as EX LL had submitted a load of tosh..Our case is Friday

 

You Ex LL is worried..that is obvious..

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Hi, Good luck on your case.

 

I'm also wondering whether I should do something about my non-protection of deposit. Would you recommend going through a solicitor or can it be done by a layperson?

 

http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/residential-commercial-lettings/189495-tenancy-deposit-not-protected.html#post2059907

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That is exactly what we are doing, so yes, if the facts are clear and you are confident enough to have a go.

 

Having a brief look at your case, it appears that you do have a case to go for non-compliance but if the LL has since placed your deposit in a scheme, you will find it hard to get a result.

 

I would not have even thought about going to court without the support of the people here.

 

Good luck!

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