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    • further polished WS using above suggestions and also included couple of more modifications highlighted in orange are those ok to include?   Background   1.1  The Defendant received the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) on the 06th of January 2020 following the vehicle being parked at Arla Old Dairy, South Ruislip on the 05th of December 2019.   Unfair PCN   2.1  On 19th December 2023 the Defendant sent the Claimant's solicitors a CPR request.  As shown in Exhibit 1 (pages 7-13) sent by the solicitors the signage displayed in their evidence clearly shows a £60.00 parking charge notice (which will be reduced to £30 if paid within 14 days of issue).  2.2  Yet the PCN sent by the Claimant is for a £100.00 parking charge notice (reduced to £60 if paid within 30 days of issue).   2.3        The Claimant relies on signage to create a contract.  It is unlawful for the Claimant to write that the charge is £60 on their signs and then send demands for £100.    2.4        The unlawful £100 charge is also the basis for the Claimant's Particulars of Claim.  No Locus Standi  3.1  I do not believe a contract with the landowner, that is provided following the defendant’s CPR request, gives MET Parking Services a right to bring claims in their own name. Definition of “Relevant contract” from the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4,  2 [1] means a contract Including a contract arising only when the vehicle was parked on the relevant land between the driver and a person who is-   (a) the owner or occupier of the land; or   (b) Authorised, under or by virtue of arrangements made by the owner or occupier of the land, to enter into a contract with the driver requiring the payment of parking charges in respect of the parking of the vehicle on the land. According to https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/46/section/44   For a contract to be valid, it requires a director from each company to sign and then two independent witnesses must confirm those signatures.   3.2  The Defendant requested to see such a contract in the CPR request.  The fact that no contract has been produced with the witness signatures present means the contract has not been validly executed. Therefore, there can be no contract established between MET Parking Services and the motorist. Even if “Parking in Electric Bay” could form a contract (which it cannot), it is immaterial. There is no valid contract.  Illegal Conduct – No Contract Formed   4.1 At the time of writing, the Claimant has failed to provide the following, in response to the CPR request from myself.   4.2        The legal contract between the Claimant and the landowner (which in this case is Standard Life Investments UK) to provide evidence that there is an agreement in place with landowner with the necessary authority to issue parking charge notices and to pursue payment by means of litigation.   4.3 Proof of planning permission granted for signage etc under the Town and country Planning Act 1990. Lack of planning permission is a criminal offence under this Act and no contract can be formed where criminality is involved.   4.4        I also do not believe the claimant possesses these documents.   No Keeper Liability   5.1        The defendant was not the driver at the time and date mentioned in the PCN and the claimant has not established keeper liability under schedule 4 of the PoFA 2012. In this matter, the defendant puts it to the claimant to produce strict proof as to who was driving at the time.   5.2 The claimant in their Notice To Keeper also failed to comply with PoFA 2012 Schedule 4 section 9[2][f] while mentioning “the right to recover from the keeper so much of that parking charge as remains unpaid” where they did not include statement “(if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met)”.     5.3         The claimant did not mention parking period, times on the photographs are separate from the PCN and in any case are that arrival and departure times not the parking period since their times include driving to and from the parking space as a minimum and can include extra time to allow pedestrians and other vehicles to pass in front.    Protection of Freedoms Act 2012   The notice must -   (a) specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates;  22. In the persuasive judgement K4GF167G - Premier Park Ltd v Mr Mathur - Horsham County Court – 5 January 2024 it was on this very point that the judge dismissed this claim.  5.4  A the PCN does not comply with the Act the Defendant as keeper is not liable.  No Breach of Contract   6.1       No breach of contract occurred because the PCN and contract provided as part of the defendant’s CPR request shows different post code, PCN shows HA4 0EY while contract shows HA4 0FY. According to PCN defendant parked on HA4 0EY which does not appear to be subject to the postcode covered by the contract.  6.2         The entrance sign does not mention anything about there being other terms inside the car park so does not offer a contract which makes it only an offer to treat,  Interest  7.1  It is unreasonable for the Claimant to delay litigation for  Double Recovery   7.2  The claim is littered with made-up charges.  7.3  As noted above, the Claimant's signs state a £60 charge yet their PCN is for £100.  7.4  As well as the £100 parking charge, the Claimant seeks recovery of an additional £70.  This is simply a poor attempt to circumvent the legal costs cap at small claims.  7.5 Since 2019, many County Courts have considered claims in excess of £100 to be an abuse of process leading to them being struck out ab initio. An example, in the Caernarfon Court in VCS v Davies, case No. FTQZ4W28 on 4th September 2019, District Judge Jones-Evans stated “Upon it being recorded that District Judge Jones- Evans has over a very significant period of time warned advocates (...) in many cases of this nature before this court that their claim for £60 is unenforceable in law and is an abuse of process and is nothing more than a poor attempt to go behind the decision of the Supreme Court v Beavis which inter alia decided that a figure of £160 as a global sum claimed in this case would be a penalty and not a genuine pre-estimate of loss and therefore unenforceable in law and if the practice continued, he would treat all cases as a claim for £160 and therefore a penalty and unenforceable in law it is hereby declared (…) the claim is struck out and declared to be wholly without merit and an abuse of process.”  7.6 In Claim Nos. F0DP806M and F0DP201T, District Judge Taylor echoed earlier General Judgment or Orders of District Judge Grand, stating ''It is ordered that the claim is struck out as an abuse of process. The claim contains a substantial charge additional to the parking charge which it is alleged the Defendant contracted to pay. This additional charge is not recoverabl15e under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4 nor with reference to the judgment in Parking Eye v Beavis. It is an abuse of process from the Claimant to issue a knowingly inflated claim for an additional sum which it is not entitled to recover. This order has been made by the court of its own initiative without a hearing pursuant to CPR Rule 3.3(4)) of the Civil Procedure Rules 1998...''  7.7 In the persuasive case of G4QZ465V - Excel Parking Services Ltd v Wilkinson – Bradford County Court -2 July 2020 (Exhibit 4) the judge had decided that Excel had won. However, due to Excel adding on the £60 the Judge dismissed the case.  7.8        The addition of costs not previously specified on signage are also in breach of the Consumer Rights Act 2015, Schedule 2, specifically paras 6, 10 and 14.   7.9        It is the Defendant’s position that the Claimant in this case has knowingly submitted inflated costs and thus the entire claim should be similarly struck out in accordance with Civil Procedure Rule 3.3(4).   In Conclusion   8.1        I invite the court to dismiss the claim.  Statement of Truth  I believe that the facts stated in this witness statement are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.   
    • Well the difference is that in all our other cases It was Kev who was trying to entrap the motorist so sticking two fingers up to him and daring him to try court was from a position of strength. In your case, sorry, you made a mistake so you're not in the position of strength.  I've looked on Google Maps and the signs are few & far between as per Kev's MO, but there is an entrance sign saying "Pay & Display" (and you've admitted in writing that you knew you had to pay) and the signs by the payment machines do say "Sea View Car Park" (and you've admitted in writing you paid the wrong car park ... and maybe outed yourself as the driver). Something I missed in my previous post is that the LoC is only for one ticket, not two. Sorry, but it's impossible to definitively advise what to so. Personally I'd probably gamble on Kev being a serial bottler of court and reply with a snotty letter ridiculing the signage (given you mentioned the signage in your appeal) - but it is a gamble.  
    • No! What has happened is that your pix were up-to-date: 5 hours' maximum stay and £100 PCN. The lazy solicitors have sent ancient pictures: 4 hours' maximum stay and £60 PCN. Don't let on!  Let them be hoisted by their own lazy petard in the court hearing (if they don't bottle before).
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How can some people be so completely heartless?

 

Humans cause the Earth a lot more trouble than rats ever could, but I don't go drowning people in giant buckets of boiling water.

 

All Schroedinger is asking for is a decent, clean death for these animals.

 

I'm sure rats aren't everyone's cup of tea, but no one's asking you to get all snuggly with them - just ensure that they die a reasonably painless death.

 

Just because something isn't 'cute' (and I think pet rats are, actually), it doesn't mean it doesn't deserve dignity.

 

To answer your question, Shroedinger, I would urge you to get in touch with the RSPCA - at least there you might be taken as seriously as you should be.

 

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My cat will on average kill a rodent a day, sometimes more than one if she has found a nest in the countryside.

 

Also she roams freely on my estate so she controls and deters any rodent type critter who may be stupid enough to nest on or near my property.

 

An alsation dog lost an eye to her when it was foolish enough to attack her.

 

She's nails.

 

And a rat will much prefer an attic or cavity wall of an outbuilding to nest rather than ground level for safety and warmth-you need to learn a bit more!

 

And a cat owner cannot be prosecuted for their cat doing a poo or killing protected rodents-unlike a dog owner.

 

You should get your facts right.

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Actually according to research - Rats nest in any safe location near food and water. Outdoors, rats burrow into the ground. Indoors, nesting occurs in double walls, between ceilings and floors, in closed-in areas around worktops, and anywhere rubbish is allowed to accumulate.

 

It alarms me somewhat the level of rodents you seem to have in and around your "estate" mr o'sullivan i definitely think you must have a pest problem! Also the fact that your Super Cat catches one rodent a day seems irrelevant with regards to a rodent infestation as due to the breeding habits of rodents (The average life span of a rat is 18 months. Young are born about 22 days after mating and mature rapidly. Single females may have as many as 6 litters per year, averaging 6 to 14 young each. By 3 months of age, the young are independent and capable of reproduction. If not controlled, an infestation of rats will rapidly increase.) so obviously they would re infest any establishment before they were extinguished if they used your cat method only to get shut of the critters!

 

I think you should leave matters of this nature to the experts and carry on stroking your pussy- as for the prosecution of dog owners i think you'll find they can be reprimanded for their dog killing a cat also but definitely not verminl!!

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nawtynet, my property is surrounded by acres of open greenland and forest (not owned by me!), plenty of room for my cat to hunt and return a rodent.

 

That is not an infestation problem, it's is nature, and not all the rodents returned are rats.

 

And a dog owner can be charged for their dog killing vermin, didn't you know it is illegal to kill a fox with dogs??

 

I don't think you would last long out in the country!:lol:

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nawtynet, my property is surrounded by acres of open greenland and forest (not owned by me!), plenty of room for my cat to hunt and return a rodent.

 

That is not an infestation problem, it's is nature, and not all the rodents returned are rats.

 

And a dog owner can be charged for their dog killing vermin, didn't you know it is illegal to kill a fox with dogs??

 

I don't think you would last long out in the country!:lol:

 

Aaaah so now you refer to the Hunting Act of 2004 where by and i quote "The Hunting Act bans activities that Parliament believed to be cruel sports and permitted activities that it believed to be necessary for land managers. Parliament accepted the view that, where rats and rabbits were pests, hunting them was legitimate."

 

As you well know Mr O'Sullivan the vermin to which i was referring to was the rat infestation that this whole thread was started for! I think you enjoy going of on tangents of irrelevance and digressing to petty tit for tat arguments that you are incapable of winning!

 

As for the Country comment, i do in fact live in the country i have horses and dogs and cats and live in acres of land which are in fact my own, i have had rat and mice problems in the past to which i have dealt with quickly and effectively using my terrier- which i think makes me more than qualified to comment on this thread- i regret to say it is doubtful you can say the same!:rolleyes:

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Well I wouldn't swap my cat for your dog and I was born and bred in rural pastures.

 

I have had horses too and will be getting again once my divorce is finalised. I've never had a vermin infestation as I have always had excellent hunting cats who are the most effecient killing machine of small rodent type critters.

 

And I don't believe for one minute any country dweller would have sympathy for a rat.:rolleyes:

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Well I wouldn't swap my cat for your dog and I was born and bred in rural pastures.

 

I have had horses too and will be getting again once my divorce is finalised. I've never had a vermin infestation as I have always had excellent hunting cats who are the most effecient killing machine of small rodent type critters.

 

And I don't believe for one minute any country dweller would have sympathy for a rat.:rolleyes:

 

I don't believe i ever said i had sympathy for rats i simply answered a question regarding the best method i have found for eliminating a rat infestation without the use of poison or a shovel! Maybe you are just lucky to have a wonder cat, my cats seem to be far happier catching birds for some unknown reason! :p

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Rats serve no useful purpose whatsoever and just spread disease.

If every rat on earth was killed I wouldn't even flinch.

Oh, come on Mr Sullivan. I thought you were a bit more intelligent than that. Just Google "Rats" and "Food chain" and you will see that rats do serve a purpose.

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hi

it appears my comment about the need to inflict pain on things being an illness was deemed as an insult and has been edited out for those of you that read it i was just offering advice and if any insult was taken i apologise for that.

it was me that started this post and its sole purpose was to find out the law relating to the killing of vermin as i was not happy with the drown them in boiling water method as i ,and as it turns out the law find it cruel.

it seems that a minority seem to take pleasure in inflicting as much pain as possible in carrying out what is i`m sad to say is a necessary task there is no doubt in my mind that this is the wrong attitude and for the life of me i cannot see how someone finds causing pain (sadism)to be pleasurable but each to their own

i do however find it hard to understand how blatantly antagonistic and unhelpful comments where missed by the moderators or allowed to go through unchallenged.

This post is over now as far as i`m concerned thank you to those who helped i`m glad to see the majority of people have a concience

 

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You didnt read it properly then obviously. Just to give a couple of examples:

rats have been used in many experimental studies, which have added to our understanding of genetics, diseases, the effects of drugs, and other topics that have provided a great benefit for the health and wellbeing of humankind.
Rats, like all mammals, are edible by humans and are sometimes captured and eaten in emergency situations. For some cultures, rats are considered a staple. Bandicoot Rats are an important food source among some peoples in India and Southeast Asia.
rats in general play important roles in laboratory research, ecological food chains, and as pets.
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With regards to the diseases caused by them, I am still 41 years later looking to find a human that has been infected by them!

 

 

I can give you an example of rats spreading diseases. The Black Death killed more than 100 million people, this was the second pandemic, the first killed many more than 100 million, halving Europe's population.

 

Also many people have died after inhaling a Hanta like disease that is present in dried rat droppings, this happens when the droppings turn to dust and are disturbed, you have about 3 days to live because your body starts to shut down after 2. Many other examples.

 

Before you all decide that rats are baddies, don't forget one little hero who wanted to be seen as a bad rat, but can put in his claim to saving a life. Templeton from Charlotte's web, we salute you sir :D

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hi

it appears my comment about the need to inflict pain on things being an illness was deemed as an insult and has been edited out for those of you that read it i was just offering advice and if any insult was taken i apologise for that.

it was me that started this post and its sole purpose was to find out the law relating to the killing of vermin as i was not happy with the drown them in boiling water method as i ,and as it turns out the law find it cruel.

it seems that a minority seem to take pleasure in inflicting as much pain as possible in carrying out what is i`m sad to say is a necessary task there is no doubt in my mind that this is the wrong attitude and for the life of me i cannot see how someone finds causing pain (sadism)to be pleasurable but each to their own

i do however find it hard to understand how blatantly antagonistic and unhelpful comments where missed by the moderators or allowed to go through unchallenged.

This post is over now as far as i`m concerned thank you to those who helped i`m glad to see the majority of people have a concience

 

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Nobody has said they take pleasure in inflicting pain, I've said I kill rats very quickly by splattering them with a shovel, this is what everybody who is responsible should do.

 

If we all left Mr Ratty Rat go about his business unchallenged then we will all die of disease.

 

Why won't you accept this?

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Possibly because no one is disputing this - from what I have read, people really only want to see them killed humanely and not subject to unnecessary cruelty.

All help is merely my opinion only - please seek legal advice if you need to as I am only qualified in SEN law.

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Possibly because no one is disputing this - from what I have read, people really only want to see them killed humanely and not subject to unnecessary cruelty.

 

Neither do I! But some members seem to think I do.

 

One member says rats should be treated humanely then says they are useful for laboratory experiments!:confused:

 

And he says they are part of the food chain but you can't go to a takeaway and have a roasted rat inbetween some pitta bread in the UK!

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If somebody poured boiling water over one to kill it and it agonised to death I wouldn't have a problem with it.

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so whats this

 

Somebody which is a person other than me!

 

I don't have a problem with rats in labs suffering, which is legal, I don't have a problem with rats dying a very painful lingering death from poisin pellets which is also legal.

 

I don't do these things but others do and its legal. I don't go and watch the suffering but I don't lose sleep over it either.

 

Why don't you pick on them instead?

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