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    • further polished WS using above suggestions and also included couple of more modifications highlighted in orange are those ok to include?   Background   1.1  The Defendant received the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) on the 06th of January 2020 following the vehicle being parked at Arla Old Dairy, South Ruislip on the 05th of December 2019.   Unfair PCN   2.1  On 19th December 2023 the Defendant sent the Claimant's solicitors a CPR request.  As shown in Exhibit 1 (pages 7-13) sent by the solicitors the signage displayed in their evidence clearly shows a £60.00 parking charge notice (which will be reduced to £30 if paid within 14 days of issue).  2.2  Yet the PCN sent by the Claimant is for a £100.00 parking charge notice (reduced to £60 if paid within 30 days of issue).   2.3        The Claimant relies on signage to create a contract.  It is unlawful for the Claimant to write that the charge is £60 on their signs and then send demands for £100.    2.4        The unlawful £100 charge is also the basis for the Claimant's Particulars of Claim.  No Locus Standi  3.1  I do not believe a contract with the landowner, that is provided following the defendant’s CPR request, gives MET Parking Services a right to bring claims in their own name. Definition of “Relevant contract” from the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4,  2 [1] means a contract Including a contract arising only when the vehicle was parked on the relevant land between the driver and a person who is-   (a) the owner or occupier of the land; or   (b) Authorised, under or by virtue of arrangements made by the owner or occupier of the land, to enter into a contract with the driver requiring the payment of parking charges in respect of the parking of the vehicle on the land. According to https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/46/section/44   For a contract to be valid, it requires a director from each company to sign and then two independent witnesses must confirm those signatures.   3.2  The Defendant requested to see such a contract in the CPR request.  The fact that no contract has been produced with the witness signatures present means the contract has not been validly executed. Therefore, there can be no contract established between MET Parking Services and the motorist. Even if “Parking in Electric Bay” could form a contract (which it cannot), it is immaterial. There is no valid contract.  Illegal Conduct – No Contract Formed   4.1 At the time of writing, the Claimant has failed to provide the following, in response to the CPR request from myself.   4.2        The legal contract between the Claimant and the landowner (which in this case is Standard Life Investments UK) to provide evidence that there is an agreement in place with landowner with the necessary authority to issue parking charge notices and to pursue payment by means of litigation.   4.3 Proof of planning permission granted for signage etc under the Town and country Planning Act 1990. 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In the persuasive judgement K4GF167G - Premier Park Ltd v Mr Mathur - Horsham County Court – 5 January 2024 it was on this very point that the judge dismissed this claim.  5.4  A the PCN does not comply with the Act the Defendant as keeper is not liable.  No Breach of Contract   6.1       No breach of contract occurred because the PCN and contract provided as part of the defendant’s CPR request shows different post code, PCN shows HA4 0EY while contract shows HA4 0FY. According to PCN defendant parked on HA4 0EY which does not appear to be subject to the postcode covered by the contract.  6.2         The entrance sign does not mention anything about there being other terms inside the car park so does not offer a contract which makes it only an offer to treat,  Interest  7.1  It is unreasonable for the Claimant to delay litigation for  Double Recovery   7.2  The claim is littered with made-up charges.  7.3  As noted above, the Claimant's signs state a £60 charge yet their PCN is for £100.  7.4  As well as the £100 parking charge, the Claimant seeks recovery of an additional £70.  This is simply a poor attempt to circumvent the legal costs cap at small claims.  7.5 Since 2019, many County Courts have considered claims in excess of £100 to be an abuse of process leading to them being struck out ab initio. An example, in the Caernarfon Court in VCS v Davies, case No. FTQZ4W28 on 4th September 2019, District Judge Jones-Evans stated “Upon it being recorded that District Judge Jones- Evans has over a very significant period of time warned advocates (...) in many cases of this nature before this court that their claim for £60 is unenforceable in law and is an abuse of process and is nothing more than a poor attempt to go behind the decision of the Supreme Court v Beavis which inter alia decided that a figure of £160 as a global sum claimed in this case would be a penalty and not a genuine pre-estimate of loss and therefore unenforceable in law and if the practice continued, he would treat all cases as a claim for £160 and therefore a penalty and unenforceable in law it is hereby declared (…) the claim is struck out and declared to be wholly without merit and an abuse of process.”  7.6 In Claim Nos. 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    • Well the difference is that in all our other cases It was Kev who was trying to entrap the motorist so sticking two fingers up to him and daring him to try court was from a position of strength. In your case, sorry, you made a mistake so you're not in the position of strength.  I've looked on Google Maps and the signs are few & far between as per Kev's MO, but there is an entrance sign saying "Pay & Display" (and you've admitted in writing that you knew you had to pay) and the signs by the payment machines do say "Sea View Car Park" (and you've admitted in writing you paid the wrong car park ... and maybe outed yourself as the driver). Something I missed in my previous post is that the LoC is only for one ticket, not two. Sorry, but it's impossible to definitively advise what to so. Personally I'd probably gamble on Kev being a serial bottler of court and reply with a snotty letter ridiculing the signage (given you mentioned the signage in your appeal) - but it is a gamble.  
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Oh, one thing I've been meaning to ask...

 

Remember that this is my wife's account, and that the account had been going for about 3 years. She changed her name a year ago when we married, and was sent a new card with her new name on it. Should a new agreement have been provided along with the card?

 

I'm eager to chase this one up as my defence should really be in by Friday (as the deadline is Saturday 29th) and I'm hoping to discover more avenues for our defence.

 

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Hi Andy,

 

The DN says exactly as you see it, that's the whole of the page.

 

The pics are hosted by photobucket but I'll see what I can do!

 

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Hello 42man,

 

Thanks for the heads-up, but the first link has a defence where the CA has yet to be provided. I have been sent a copy of our CA which hasn't been signed by the creditor so could I state that they have failed to provide a valid copy? Or should I work on something else for my defence?

 

The second link has a witness statement but I'm not sure if that's what I should be providing yet as it's only the defence I need to produce!

 

I'll have another trawl through the forums for a suitable defence but so far I'm not having much luck :(

 

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I have just received a court summons from egg so will be subscribing to your thread ;)

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bgqs v Barclays (Claim No.1) - Claim Issued 16/3/07 Await Defence to be Entered - Data Protection Act Non-Compliance - *WON

 

bgqs v Barclays (Claim No.2) - Prelim Letter Sent (Charges + s.68 Interest) - 16/3/07 - *WON

 

bgqs v Halifax - Prelim Letter Sent (Charges +C.I Interest) - 16/3/07 - *WON

 

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Hey folks,

 

Just a quick shout to say that my defence should be in by Friday, and I would like some help with putting one together!

 

Is anyone able to advise please?

 

Thanks!

 

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Hi Elkus

 

 

I would advocate submitting the following this can be input on line vis a vis MCOL using your password on the summons.Copy and paste and submit print off your reciept as proof and sit back.

 

 

A defence should deal with the claimants pleading and not be complicated and long in these matters. It should not contain references to cases etc. Do not forget you may have to argue that which is contained in your defence and so you need to understand that to which you are endorsing a statement of truth. Until the claimant pleads in an appropriate manner, you should not reveal all your 'cards'. I suggest a defence as follows:-

 

 

Defence

 

 

I Elkus make this statement as my defence to the claim brought by(Claimant name)

 

1.The claimants particulars of claim are vague and fail to disclose any cause of action, they appear to be an abuse of the process in that they fail to deal with the basic rules of pleading in accordance with the CPR

 

2.No documents supporting the claims in the particulars have been offered which the defendant needs to establish what agreement it is that this action is based upon

 

3.Without clarification of the claimants claim, the defendant is extremely disadvantaged and the claimants claim appears without merit

 

4.Further to above the defendant is unable to plead effectively or at all. The defendant is embarrassed.

 

 

 

 

The above is all you need to place in the defence.

 

You should write to the claimants solicitors as follows:-

 

' Herewith copy defence by way of service, the same having been filed with the court.

 

Please serve amended particulars of claim and plead yor clients case in an appropriate manner within 7 days, so that I am aware of the case I will have to meet at trial. I request that you attach to the particulars a copy of the agreement upon which the claimant relies. The matter will be transferred to my home court and the claimant will have to produce the document, in any event. In those circumstances you should plead in accordance with the CPR.

 

Failure to provide that requested in the time period provided for will result in application to the court. I confirm a copy of this letter will be produced to the court when the question of costs falls to be decided'.

 

 

Yours Elkus

 

Send Rec Del and retain proof dont sign print

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Great, thanks very much! That's pretty much what I was looking for but was a bit put off by the long defences :?

 

However I have a couple of questions to ask, if you don't mind? As you say I need to be fully aware of all the facts, so I'd like to clarify a couple of points:

 

2.No documents supporting the claims in the particulars have been offered which the defendant needs to establish what agreement it is that this action is based upon

 

I assume we're referring to the lack of documentation supplied with the claim? I gather this is standard practice with online applications (although last time I saw a claim come from Northampton it had all the referenced materials attached) and is 'acceptable'?

 

I'm also assuming that we're not including the fact that they sent the materials under my CPR request, so is this relevant?

 

4.Further to above the defendant is unable to plead effectively or at all. The defendant is embarrassed

 

I've always been curious about this... What exactly does pleading embarrassment achieve?:rolleyes:

 

I request that you attach to the particulars a copy of the agreement upon which the claimant relies.

 

Haven't we already asked for this under CPR? They did send me a copy when asked, although it is of dubious nature...

 

But apart from that, thanks again, you've all been really helpful with your suggestions :D

(Can there ever be too much praise??)

 

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Great, thanks very much! That's pretty much what I was looking for but was a bit put off by the long defences :?

 

However I have a couple of questions to ask, if you don't mind? As you say I need to be fully aware of all the facts, so I'd like to clarify a couple of points:

 

 

 

I assume we're referring to the lack of documentation supplied with the claim? I gather this is standard practice with online applications (although last time I saw a claim come from Northampton it had all the referenced materials attached) and is 'acceptable'? I have never seen one from CCBC with docs attached

 

I'm also assuming that we're not including the fact that they sent the materials under my CPR request, so is this relevant? You recieved a NoA which looked ok the DN is undated so invalid and the CCA is unsigned therefore unexecuted ( This could be regarded as a minor omission and still rendered enforcable )

 

 

 

I've always been curious about this... What exactly does pleading embarrassment achieve?:rolleyes: Doesnt achieve anything just outlines your ignorance to a vague POC.I appreciate the Account number is named but without the CCA means very little.

In view of the above docs being supplied i would be inclined to not send the follow up letter to their Sols but just submit the short Defence.Dont reveal all your cards for now you will have another opportunity at AQ stage.The DN is your key in this matter its invalid because of no date therefore the account as been terminated unlawfully and therefore the proceedings as well.If you feel confident to argue the above point then thats the way to proceed.

 

 

 

Haven't we already asked for this under CPR? They did send me a copy when asked, although it is of dubious nature...Point this out at AQ

 

But apart from that, thanks again, you've all been really helpful with your suggestions :D

(Can there ever be too much praise??)

 

Elkus

 

 

Regards

 

Andy

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Aha now I understand!

 

Do they have to state the account has been terminated, or does the issuance of a DN and the follow-up court claim automatically render the account terminated? Still not 100% sure on this one cos they could claim the account hasn't been terminated and issue a 'correct' DN at a later date...

 

Other than that I'll get the defence sent later on in the week once I fully understand what I'm putting there!

 

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Aha now I understand!

 

Do they have to state the account has been terminated, or does the issuance of a DN and the follow-up court claim automatically render the account terminated? Still not 100% sure on this one cos they could claim the account hasn't been terminated and issue a 'correct' DN at a later date...Unlawfully terminated they cant reissue a second DN unless you resign a new agreement which is unlikely

 

Other than that I'll get the defence sent later on in the week once I fully understand what I'm putting there!

 

Elkus

 

 

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Stick to the DN flaw everything else is immaterial

 

 

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Ok, time for an update...

 

After sending off our defence, the courts sent a letter back stating that they had received the defence and that the claimants have 28 days to respond, etc etc etc.

 

We weren't expecting much of a response this side of the New Year so were a little bit surprised to receive a letter from Howard Cohen. Here's the contents of said letter:

 

"We can confirm that we have been instructed by our client to discontinue the county court claim issued against you as the claim was instructed in error, therefore, please find enclosed by way of service upon you a Notice of Discontinuance."

 

And sure enough, attached to the letter was the following:

 

In The Northampton CCBC

Claim No: XXXXXXXX

 

Between:-

CL Finance Limited

Claimant

 

 

And

 

 

 

XXXXXXXXXX

Defendant

 

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Notice of Discontinuance

--------------------------

 

 

TAKE NOTICE That Upon the Defendant making payment to the Claimant that the Claimant hereby discontinues all proceedings under the above numbered action and accordingly withdraws from the same.

 

Dated and signed etc etc

So, they discontinued!

 

However I have a question regarding this notice, something I'm not 100% sure of...

Upon the Defendant making payment to the Claimant
Am I to assume that if we make a payment they'll drop the case? Or is this just their way of saying we owed them in the first place and they're just dropping it without expecting anything from us?

 

Elated and confused! Not a good combination!:p

 

But in any case, many thanks for all your help and support in getting this result! It's very much appreciated! Kudos all round I think!

 

A happy Elkus :D

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Well done Elkus;)

 

 

Regards

 

Andy

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Well done, however, did this come from the solicitor only, have you been notified by the court of the discontinuance. I would phone and check on Monday :D

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Well done...now go for costs ;)

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bgqs v Barclays (Claim No.1) - Claim Issued 16/3/07 Await Defence to be Entered - Data Protection Act Non-Compliance - *WON

 

bgqs v Barclays (Claim No.2) - Prelim Letter Sent (Charges + s.68 Interest) - 16/3/07 - *WON

 

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I would say so....After all, you have spent time preparing and studying case law etc in order to prepare your defence. Also, you will have incurred stationary and postage costs ?

 

Worth a try anyway !

Claims:

bgqs v Barclays (Claim No.1) - Claim Issued 16/3/07 Await Defence to be Entered - Data Protection Act Non-Compliance - *WON

 

bgqs v Barclays (Claim No.2) - Prelim Letter Sent (Charges + s.68 Interest) - 16/3/07 - *WON

 

bgqs v Halifax - Prelim Letter Sent (Charges +C.I Interest) - 16/3/07 - *WON

 

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