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    • Please see my witness statement below.  Please let me know what modifications I need to apply.  I haven't included anything related to "administrative charge while paying by credit or debit card" as I wasn't sure if I should include since sign says "it may apply"   Background  1.1 Defendant received the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) on the 06th of November 2020 following the vehicle being parked at Arla Old Dairy, South Ruislip on the 05th of December 2019.    Contract  2.1 No Locus Standi, I do not believe a contract exists with the landowner that gives MET Parking Services a right to bring claims in their own name. Definition of “Relevant contract” From PoFA (Protection of Freedoms Act) 2 [1] means a contract Including a contract arising only when the vehicle was parked on the relevant land between the driver and a person who is-  (a) the owner or occupier of the land; or  (b) Authorised, under or by virtue of arrangements made by the owner or occupier of the land, to enter into a contract with the driver requiring the payment of parking charges in respect of the parking of the vehicle on the land. According to https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/46/section/44  For a contract to be valid, it requires a director from each company to sign and then two independent witnesses must confirm those signatures.  The fact that no contract has been produced with the witness signatures present means the contract has not been validly executed. Therefore, there can be no contract established between MET Parking Services and the motorist. Even if “Parking in Electric Bay” could form a contract (which it cannot), it is immaterial. There is no valid contract.    Illegal Conduct – No Contract Formed  3.1 At the time of writing, the Claimant has failed to provide the following, in response to the CPR request from myself.  3.2        The legal contract between the Claimant and the landowner (which in this case is Standard Life Investments UK) to provide evidence that there is an agreement in place with landowner with the necessary authority to issue parking charge notices and to pursue payment by means of litigation.  3.3 Proof of planning permission granted for signage etc under the Town and country Planning Act 1990. Lack of planning permission is a criminal offence under this Act and no contract can be formed where criminality is involved.  3.4        I also do not believe the claimant possesses these documents.    Unfair PCN  4.1         As stipulated in Exhibit 1 (Pages 7-13) sent by DCB Legal following the defendant’s CPR request the signage displayed in their evidence clearly shows £60.00 parking charge notice and will be reduced to £30 if paid within 14 days of issue. The defendant puts it to the claimant a request for strict proof when the signage changed to show £100.00 parking charge as the evidence provided by DCB Legal stipulated £60.00 parking charge was indeed the parking charge at the time defendant parked and included in Exhibit 1   4.3        The Claimant did not respect PAPLOC   4.4        It is also unfair to delay litigation for so long and claim nearly four years' interest.    No Keeper Liability  5.1        The defendant was not the driver at the time and date mentioned in the PCN and the claimant has not established keeper liability under schedule 4 of the PoFA 2012. In this matter, the defendant puts it to the claimant to produce strict proof as to who was driving at the time.  5.2 The claimant in their Notice To Keeper also failed to comply with PoFA 2012 Schedule 4 section 9[2][f] while mentioning “the right to recover from the keeper so much of that parking charge as remains unpaid” where they did not include statement “(if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met)”.    5.3        The claimant did not mention parking period instead only mentioned time 20:25 which is not sufficient to qualify as a parking period.   Protection of Freedoms Act 2012  The notice must -  (a) specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates;      No Breach of Contract  6.1      No breach of contract occurred because the PCN and contract provided as part of the defendant’s CPR request shows different post code, PCN shows HA4 0EY while contract shows HA4 0FY.  6.2        The wording “Electric Bay Abuse” is not listed on their signs nor there is any mention on the contract of any electric charging points at all let alone who can park there or use them.    Double Recovery  7.1        As well as the original £100 parking charge and £50 allowed court/legal costs, the Claimant seeks recovery of an additional £70.  7.2        PoFA Schedule 4, paragraph 4(5) states that “the maximum sum which may be recovered from the keeper is the amount specified in the notice to keeper”. Which in this case is £100.  7.3        The Parking (Code of Practice) Act 2019 is also quite clear that the maximum amount recoverable is £100.  Government ministers and government web pages explaining the Act refer to extra charges as "a rip off".  7.4        Unless the Claimant can clearly demonstrate how these alleged additional costs have been incurred this would appear to be an attempt at double recovery.  7.5        Previous parking charge cases have found that the parking charge itself is at a level to include the costs of recovery i.e. Parking Eye Ltd vs Beavis (2015) UKSC 67 which is the authority for recovery of the parking charge itself and no more, since the sum £85 was held to already incorporate the costs of an automated private parking business model and the Supreme Court Judges held that a parking firm not in possession cannot plead any part of their case in damages. It is indisputable that an alleged “parking charge” penalty is a sum which the Supreme Court found is already inflated to more than comfortably cover all costs. The case provides a finding of fact by way of precedent, that the £85 (or up to a Trade Body ceiling of £100 depending on the parking firm) covers the costs of all the letters. Since 2019, many County Courts have considered claims in excess of £100 to be an abuse of process leading to them being struck out ab initio. An example, in the Caernarfon Court in VCS v Davies, case No. FTQZ4W28 on 4th September 2019, District Judge Jones-Evans stated “Upon it being recorded that District Judge Jones- Evans has over a very significant period of time warned advocates (...) in many cases of this nature before this court that their claim for £60 is unenforceable in law and is an abuse of process and is nothing more than a poor attempt to go behind the decision of the Supreme Court V Beavis which inter alia decided that a figure of £160 as a global sum claimed in this case would be a penalty and not a genuine pre-estimate of loss and therefore unenforceable in law and if the practise continued, he would treat all cases as a claim for £160 and therefore a penalty and unenforceable in law it is hereby declared (...) the claim is struck out and declared to be wholly without merit and an abuse of process.”  7.6        In Claim numbers F0DP806M and F0DP201T, Britannia vs Crosby the courts went further in a landmark judgement in November 2019 which followed several parking charge claims being struck out in the area overseen by His Honour Judge Iain Hamilton-Douglas Hughes GC, the Designated Civil Judge for Dorset, Hampshire, Isle of Wight & Wiltshire. District Judge Taylor echoed earlier General Judgement or Orders of District Judge Grand, stating “It is ordered that the claim is struck out as an abuse of process. The claim contains a substantial charge additional to the parking charge which it is alleged the Defendant contracted to pay. This additional charge is not recoverable under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4 nor with reference to the judgement in Parking Eye v Beavis. It is an abuse of process from the Claimant to issue a knowingly inflated claim for a addi8onal sum which it is not entitled to recover. This order has been made by the court of its own initiative without a hearing pursuant to CPR Rule 3.3(4) of the Civil Procedure Rules 1998.  7.7        The addition of costs not previously specified on signage are also in breach of the Consumer Rights Act 2015, Schedule 2, specifically paras 6, 10 and 14.  7.8        It is the Defendant’s position that the Claimant in this case has knowingly submitted inflated costs and thus the entire claim should be similarly struck out in accordance with Civil Procedure Rule 3.3(4).  7.9        The Defendant is of the view that the Claimant knew, or should have known, that to claim in excess of £100 for a parking charge on private lands is disallowed under the CPRs, the Beavis case, the PoFA AND THE CRA 2015, and that relief from sanctions should be refused.    In Conclusion  8.1        I believe the Claimant has got use to intimidation tactics and has got greedy. I believe the truth of the manor is the Claimant has used bullying tactics successfully for too long and is therefore assured that innocent drivers will fall into the trap of paying rather than going through the hours it takes to defend themselves. In the process, wasting the time of the Court, the time of the Defendant and everyone else who has advised the Defendant, out of sheer decency to help have a fair hearing and see justice delivered.  8.2        I am still in disbelief that I am being heard in this court, defending myself nearly 4 years after receiving a charge through my door. I have had to spend weeks’ worth of my life studying the letter of the law in order to defend myself from this ridiculous attempt at a swindle.  8.3        I believe that the facts stated in this witness statement are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth. 
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    • First, the Entrance sign does not mention anything about there being other terms inside the car park so does not offer a contract. so it only  is an offer to treat.  Second, the sign does say % hours free without mentioning that it is also the maximum time one can stay. it would be logical to presume that there would be a fee for staying longer-but not £100. Looking at the PCN-as usual it does not comply with the protection of freedoms Act 2012 Schedule 4. First it does not specify the parking period since their figure includes driving from the entrance to the parking space, then later driving from the driving space to the exit. Second it does not inform the keeper that the driver is expected to pay the charge Section 9 [2]] (b)inform the keeper that the driver is required to pay parking charges in respect of the specified period of parking and that the parking charges have not been paid in full; What that means is that you as keeper are no longer liable to pay the charge-only the driver is. As anyone with a valid insurance can drive your car they will have difficulty proving who was driving especially as you haven't appealed. In addition the Courts should your case get that far, do not accept that the driver and the keeper ae the same person. So just relax and ignore all their threats even from their unregulated debt collectors and sixth rate solicitors.  Just do not ignore a Letter of Claim if you get one of those-come back to us so that you can send a snotty letter.
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I have read the excellent sticky at the top and many of the other threads, certainly made for some interesting reading and in hindsight I wish I had found them before firing off a knee jerk letter last week! However I will briefly outline my situation and maybe somebody could shed some light on where I stand...

 

I have parked in aspects leisure car park in bristol using the same spaces for over 5 years without any problems at all. I have a favourite space simply due to the fact that it is free from other cars and avids the classic car door denting scenario. A few weeks back I had a ticket left on my window out of the blue. A UKPC ticket (notification of unauthorised parking). Apparently I was 'parked out of marked bay'. Is there a law which describes what constitutes a bay? The space in question has and is used on a daily basis and is in no way causing an obstruction to any other vehicle. It has a white line on one short side and a wall and curb around the other 2 sides leaving a clear opening for a vehicle. If there is no parking permitted here is it not their reponsibilty to make this clear? Disabled spaces are clearly marked as are other areas with cross hatched yellow lines so why not this area?

 

Since my ticket 2 weeks ago I have seen another 5 cars with tickets on their windows in exactly this position. The car park has not been busy yet obviously everyone thinks this is a legitimate space. In my opinion its clearly profiteering by deception by how does this stand in the eyes of the law?

 

I have since located signs around the car park with information regarding penalties if not parked in the designated bays but what is the legal definition of a designated bay? I have already written to UKPC and asked them to clarify this and as to why I have never been penalised over the last 5 years yet both questions have been ignored and lucky me, I have been given a further 7 days to cough up the bargian sum of £45 which has now risen to £90 as I have not paid. I have no intention of paying as it's simply unfair. I am not paying simple as. But...

 

What are the consequnces? Can I end up with a CCJ against me just for persuing what I believe to be right and legal and asking for proof? I certainly don't want to affect my future in obtaining credit etc but I really can't give in to bullies.

 

Any help, advice, support or otherwise would certainly be much appreciated!

 

PS.. not sure if it's important or not but the ticket left on my car had no warden number when there is space for it. Thanks in advance...

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You can get into hifaluting discussions about what constitutes a marked bay. Not complying has different results whether it is a council car park or not.

 

Council Car Park - do not park other than within marked bays or the registered keeper will be fined.

 

Private Car Park - Just so much white paint. You get a few annoying letters demanding money - these you can ignore.

 

UKPC are persistant letter writers, you will get demands from them. After a couple of letters you will get the one from the "Debt Collection Agency". Don't worry, this is all very normal. Just ignore from now on. UKPC DON'T DO ANYTHING!

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Well thanks for advice.

 

I will not be paying and will probably send them another letter just purely for my own benefit. It will be better researched this time around!

 

I wonder how this would hold up in court if they ever bothered to persue it...

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It wouldn't.

 

Their loss from you not parking in a marked bay is £0, so that is all they're entitled to.

 

Not to mention, that even if they did suffer loss, they would have demonstrate they made clear what was a marked bay.

 

Plus, they'd have to find out who the driver was. They can only get the owner's details from the DVLA.

 

To get a CCJ, you would have to be taken to court AND lose AND still refuse to pay within 28 days.

 

All you have is an unenforceable invoice.

 

Personally I would completely ignore, but if you want to send them a letter from the templates, go ahead.

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Well thanks for advice.

 

I will not be paying and will probably send them another letter just purely for my own benefit. It will be better researched this time around!

 

I wonder how this would hold up in court if they ever bothered to persue it...

It's been a while since I was out at Longwell Green but as I remember the signs are the typical UKPC B/S and would be easily defended in court if it ever got that far.

 

Given their track record on this forum I would say you've more chance of winning the lottery than being taken to court by UKPC.

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well thanks very much people. Excellent advice and I certainly feel reassured in the fact that they will not be getting a penny out of me.

 

Incidentally, I checked yesterday evening and from the point I park my car and then exit the car park via steps, there are no visible signs at all while on foot. Of course I have to pass signs with small print on the way in but I doubt this can be considered adequate warning by any stretch of the imagination.

 

I have already admitted being the driver but absolutely there is no loss on there part so any financial penalty could certainly be considerd exorbitant.

 

Great site.. I have a feeling I will be saving quite a bit of money in the future it's just a shame most other people really don't even consider the actual facts of penalties like this!

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well much has happened since I chose to not bother sending any more letters to UKPC...

 

I returned from my holiday a week ago and had a debt collectors letter waiting for me. Asking me to pay an amount of £125 within 7 days.

 

Some 2 days later I have now recieved a letter from a solicitors entitled 'notice of intended legal action'. There are additional costs asociated with this totalling £142.2, so now I apparently owe £267.25.

 

Help! Surely this was not supposed to happen! UKPC failed to answer any of my queries when I first wrote to them... is this legal?

 

The soliciors letter also warns of damage to my credit lasting 6 years if I do not pay up and that they may instruct bayliffs to attend my property.

 

I'm not sure ignoring this parking fine was the best move, any help appreciated...

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The soliciors letter also warns of damage to my credit lasting 6 years if I do not pay up and that they may instruct bayliffs to attend my property.

 

I'm not sure ignoring this parking fine was the best move, any help appreciated...

 

 

And that is exactly how they want you to feel!

 

Hold steady as nothing you have received is any different to stuff other people have received in similar cases. Their entire approach has been to try and frighten you into paying.

 

Why didn't they just give you a couple of weeks at the start then immediately take you to court for not paying? Answer, coz their legal arguement isn't valid so they simply rely on frightening enough people into paying to keep them in their luxury houses.

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The soliciors letter also warns of damage to my credit lasting 6 years if I do not pay up and that they may instruct bayliffs to attend my property.

 

I'm not sure ignoring this parking fine was the best move, any help appreciated...

 

I am not an expert like cremm and lamma, but I do put people, well companies actually, in court for none payment on a regular basis. Firstly you need to actually owe them something, which cremm & lamma will help you prove you dont.

 

If you did owe and it had to go to court, then IF the case went against you, you still get time to pay, if you didn't pay, it's time for enforcement, only then can bailiffs be used, which I never do personally, I always have someone ordered to attend court for questioning, usually scares them into paying up.

 

Dont worry be happy !!

 

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let is see the exact contents of this 'solicitor's letter' - from what you have quoted they may be talking complete and utter rubbish. If this is areal solicitor the SRA should be notified. bet lets see the exact contents so that accurate comments can be made.

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Here is a copy of the letter below:

 

NOTICE OF INTENDED LEGAL ACTION

 

You were written to by UK parking control LTD and their agent Roxburghe requesting the settlement of a parking Contravention Charge Notice. Due to the absence of payment, or a valid appeal, our client has instructed us to proceed to legal action to recover the wmount due.

 

Therefore it is a legal requirement to send a notice of INTENDED LITIGATION before legal proceedings are issued in the county court. This letter fulfills this requirement.

 

Take note; the costs associated with issuing a claim is as follows:

claim fee £30

Solicitors costs: £50

judgement cossts: £25

Warrant issue fee: £35

Solicitors cost for issuing warrant: £2.25

Total: £142.25

 

Any judgemnet registered against you could seriously affect your chances of obtaining credit in the future, as this information can be made available to any interested parties via the Register of Judgements, Orders & Fines, and remains there for 6 years.

 

In th event of a judgment order not being adhered to, we may instruct Bailiffs to attend your address who are authorised to seize goods for sale at public auction in the amount claimed plus all stautuatory interest.

 

Please contact us for your proposals for settlement within 7 days to avoid the possibility of this action.

 

Yours etc etc

 

 

Well there we have it.... It is dated the 8th October so I feel I need to act fairly swiftly but what to do I have no idea. I certainly don't ant to pay but then my partner would go insane if she had seen the solicitors letter!

 

Any ideas?

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Hi Jaydubya,

 

Is it from REAL Solicitors? PPC's have a trick of trying to look like solicitors to put more fear , into people. Whats the name of these so called solicitors?

Most of their letters is based upon the assumption that IF and that reakky is the biggest if ever it went to court, and more amazingly they actually won.

My idea is like the advice already given, ignore and have a laugh about it.

regards

Please remember our troops, fighting and dying in our name. God protect them.

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Strangely enough the solicitors are Graham White (A quick google search has revealed I am not the only one being hassled by him!) who is also coincidentally at exactly the same address as the Debt Collecting agency (Roxburghe). The letter states at the bottom that they are regulated and has registered number etc so I would guess they are solicitors?

 

All sounds a bit odd to me... but then what do I know?!

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that is a trading name being used. it was #sold on' by a solicitor who works for lambeth council. that paper should say at the bottom somewhere that this is so and reveal the real name. The SRA got unhappy with the use of G WHite in the past - as did the real G white

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Indeed yes and I quote 'Graham White Solicitors is a trading name of Michael Sobell, Solicitor'.

 

So what does this all mean to me and my circumstances?

 

PS... just in case of any confusion I have 2 active accounts as Jaydubya and Khasar as I forgot my password and then couldn't access my other email to retrieve it. We are and I am the same person so sorry for any confusion!

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PS... just in case of any confusion I have 2 active accounts as Jaydubya and Khasar as I forgot my password and then couldn't access my other email to retrieve it. We are and I am the same person so sorry for any confusion!

 

You are starting to sound like a ppc, with all these different names for the same person;)

Please remember our troops, fighting and dying in our name. God protect them.

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