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    • further polished WS using above suggestions and also included couple of more modifications highlighted in orange are those ok to include?   Background   1.1  The Defendant received the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) on the 06th of January 2020 following the vehicle being parked at Arla Old Dairy, South Ruislip on the 05th of December 2019.   Unfair PCN   2.1  On 19th December 2023 the Defendant sent the Claimant's solicitors a CPR request.  As shown in Exhibit 1 (pages 7-13) sent by the solicitors the signage displayed in their evidence clearly shows a £60.00 parking charge notice (which will be reduced to £30 if paid within 14 days of issue).  2.2  Yet the PCN sent by the Claimant is for a £100.00 parking charge notice (reduced to £60 if paid within 30 days of issue).   2.3        The Claimant relies on signage to create a contract.  It is unlawful for the Claimant to write that the charge is £60 on their signs and then send demands for £100.    2.4        The unlawful £100 charge is also the basis for the Claimant's Particulars of Claim.  No Locus Standi  3.1  I do not believe a contract with the landowner, that is provided following the defendant’s CPR request, gives MET Parking Services a right to bring claims in their own name. Definition of “Relevant contract” from the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4,  2 [1] means a contract Including a contract arising only when the vehicle was parked on the relevant land between the driver and a person who is-   (a) the owner or occupier of the land; or   (b) Authorised, under or by virtue of arrangements made by the owner or occupier of the land, to enter into a contract with the driver requiring the payment of parking charges in respect of the parking of the vehicle on the land. According to https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/46/section/44   For a contract to be valid, it requires a director from each company to sign and then two independent witnesses must confirm those signatures.   3.2  The Defendant requested to see such a contract in the CPR request.  The fact that no contract has been produced with the witness signatures present means the contract has not been validly executed. Therefore, there can be no contract established between MET Parking Services and the motorist. Even if “Parking in Electric Bay” could form a contract (which it cannot), it is immaterial. There is no valid contract.  Illegal Conduct – No Contract Formed   4.1 At the time of writing, the Claimant has failed to provide the following, in response to the CPR request from myself.   4.2        The legal contract between the Claimant and the landowner (which in this case is Standard Life Investments UK) to provide evidence that there is an agreement in place with landowner with the necessary authority to issue parking charge notices and to pursue payment by means of litigation.   4.3 Proof of planning permission granted for signage etc under the Town and country Planning Act 1990. Lack of planning permission is a criminal offence under this Act and no contract can be formed where criminality is involved.   4.4        I also do not believe the claimant possesses these documents.   No Keeper Liability   5.1        The defendant was not the driver at the time and date mentioned in the PCN and the claimant has not established keeper liability under schedule 4 of the PoFA 2012. In this matter, the defendant puts it to the claimant to produce strict proof as to who was driving at the time.   5.2 The claimant in their Notice To Keeper also failed to comply with PoFA 2012 Schedule 4 section 9[2][f] while mentioning “the right to recover from the keeper so much of that parking charge as remains unpaid” where they did not include statement “(if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met)”.     5.3         The claimant did not mention parking period, times on the photographs are separate from the PCN and in any case are that arrival and departure times not the parking period since their times include driving to and from the parking space as a minimum and can include extra time to allow pedestrians and other vehicles to pass in front.    Protection of Freedoms Act 2012   The notice must -   (a) specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates;  22. In the persuasive judgement K4GF167G - Premier Park Ltd v Mr Mathur - Horsham County Court – 5 January 2024 it was on this very point that the judge dismissed this claim.  5.4  A the PCN does not comply with the Act the Defendant as keeper is not liable.  No Breach of Contract   6.1       No breach of contract occurred because the PCN and contract provided as part of the defendant’s CPR request shows different post code, PCN shows HA4 0EY while contract shows HA4 0FY. According to PCN defendant parked on HA4 0EY which does not appear to be subject to the postcode covered by the contract.  6.2         The entrance sign does not mention anything about there being other terms inside the car park so does not offer a contract which makes it only an offer to treat,  Interest  7.1  It is unreasonable for the Claimant to delay litigation for  Double Recovery   7.2  The claim is littered with made-up charges.  7.3  As noted above, the Claimant's signs state a £60 charge yet their PCN is for £100.  7.4  As well as the £100 parking charge, the Claimant seeks recovery of an additional £70.  This is simply a poor attempt to circumvent the legal costs cap at small claims.  7.5 Since 2019, many County Courts have considered claims in excess of £100 to be an abuse of process leading to them being struck out ab initio. An example, in the Caernarfon Court in VCS v Davies, case No. FTQZ4W28 on 4th September 2019, District Judge Jones-Evans stated “Upon it being recorded that District Judge Jones- Evans has over a very significant period of time warned advocates (...) in many cases of this nature before this court that their claim for £60 is unenforceable in law and is an abuse of process and is nothing more than a poor attempt to go behind the decision of the Supreme Court v Beavis which inter alia decided that a figure of £160 as a global sum claimed in this case would be a penalty and not a genuine pre-estimate of loss and therefore unenforceable in law and if the practice continued, he would treat all cases as a claim for £160 and therefore a penalty and unenforceable in law it is hereby declared (…) the claim is struck out and declared to be wholly without merit and an abuse of process.”  7.6 In Claim Nos. F0DP806M and F0DP201T, District Judge Taylor echoed earlier General Judgment or Orders of District Judge Grand, stating ''It is ordered that the claim is struck out as an abuse of process. The claim contains a substantial charge additional to the parking charge which it is alleged the Defendant contracted to pay. This additional charge is not recoverabl15e under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4 nor with reference to the judgment in Parking Eye v Beavis. It is an abuse of process from the Claimant to issue a knowingly inflated claim for an additional sum which it is not entitled to recover. This order has been made by the court of its own initiative without a hearing pursuant to CPR Rule 3.3(4)) of the Civil Procedure Rules 1998...''  7.7 In the persuasive case of G4QZ465V - Excel Parking Services Ltd v Wilkinson – Bradford County Court -2 July 2020 (Exhibit 4) the judge had decided that Excel had won. However, due to Excel adding on the £60 the Judge dismissed the case.  7.8        The addition of costs not previously specified on signage are also in breach of the Consumer Rights Act 2015, Schedule 2, specifically paras 6, 10 and 14.   7.9        It is the Defendant’s position that the Claimant in this case has knowingly submitted inflated costs and thus the entire claim should be similarly struck out in accordance with Civil Procedure Rule 3.3(4).   In Conclusion   8.1        I invite the court to dismiss the claim.  Statement of Truth  I believe that the facts stated in this witness statement are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.   
    • Well the difference is that in all our other cases It was Kev who was trying to entrap the motorist so sticking two fingers up to him and daring him to try court was from a position of strength. In your case, sorry, you made a mistake so you're not in the position of strength.  I've looked on Google Maps and the signs are few & far between as per Kev's MO, but there is an entrance sign saying "Pay & Display" (and you've admitted in writing that you knew you had to pay) and the signs by the payment machines do say "Sea View Car Park" (and you've admitted in writing you paid the wrong car park ... and maybe outed yourself as the driver). Something I missed in my previous post is that the LoC is only for one ticket, not two. Sorry, but it's impossible to definitively advise what to so. Personally I'd probably gamble on Kev being a serial bottler of court and reply with a snotty letter ridiculing the signage (given you mentioned the signage in your appeal) - but it is a gamble.  
    • No! What has happened is that your pix were up-to-date: 5 hours' maximum stay and £100 PCN. The lazy solicitors have sent ancient pictures: 4 hours' maximum stay and £60 PCN. Don't let on!  Let them be hoisted by their own lazy petard in the court hearing (if they don't bottle before).
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Rosie any luck yet, Turnballs have not filed anything so my case was stayed, how about you?

 

Hi there - well I have heard nothing either - not even a "fake" credit agreement. But I do have a Court Date from my local Court in reply to my N244 - to get the case thrown out. It's not til September - so guess will just have to wait til then. Good luck with everything.

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Hi Rosie

 

I have heard nothing either, not even a court date from my N244.

 

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I guess the court date thing relies a lot on the individual court and how behind they are with their workload. Perhaps mine are just efficient?! Must admit I just want the whole damn thing to be over now.

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Hi Rosie

 

Rang the court, they said the judge was looking at my case today and to phone back tomorrow.

 

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Hi Rosie

 

Rang the court, they said the judge was looking at my case today and to phone back tomorrow.

 

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Good luck with things and let us know :p

 

847 - I would advise you to start your own thread, because things can get easily "lost" in the middle of a big thread like this. If you start your own thread, then the Admins and people here with legal knowledge will see it more quickly and be able to help you more. Good luck.

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Hi Rosie

 

Just to update you, my case has been listed for a hearing, late August early September.

 

All the best broken arrow.

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Hi Rosie

 

Just to update you, my case has been listed for a hearing, late August early September.

 

All the best broken arrow.

So sounds like a week before me.Good luck and thanks for telling me:)

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Rosie

 

Still no posts from IGNM ( last post 2nd July )?

I would not have done the N244 without his replies to my thread.

It raises a few questions, would TR have responded to my ( your ) defence and it might now have been stayed ( and saved us £75 ).

Was his advice correct and the N244 will get the claim struck out.

Any thoughts?

 

All for now

 

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As they have not sent you a CCA yet they must not have a copy, no CCA no claim!

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Rosie

 

Still no posts from IGNM ( last post 2nd July )?

I would not have done the N244 without his replies to my thread.

It raises a few questions, would TR have responded to my ( your ) defence and it might now have been stayed ( and saved us £75 ).

Was his advice correct and the N244 will get the claim struck out.

Any thoughts?

 

All for now

 

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As they have not sent you a CCA yet they must not have a copy, no CCA no claim!

 

Yes - I see what you mean - and maybe you're right. But if the claim gets struck out then the £75,.00 will be refunded anyway as far as I know. And I guess at least having it struck out means an end to the matter. If it's "stayed" it kind of hangs around for ever and they can resurrect it later I think. I wonder about what happened to IGNM too- but - one never knows- maybe illness or family problems - I hope he is OK.

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Rosie, BA,

 

I'm sure IGNM's advice was sound. It's the only way of getting rid of the clowns at TR. As you say, BA, with a stay the case hangs around like a bad smell. However, if TR wanted to, they could start the whole process again but IMO if they haven't got a valid CCA, they risk the court making a civil restraint order banning them from any further action.

 

Don't forget to ask the judge for the fee back. That way TR have to send you a cheque. You can almost drool over the thought of them having to pay you money. And don't forget to add your time preparing your case. As a litigant in person you can claim £9.25 per hour.

 

best of luck with the hearing.

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Rosie, BA,

 

I'm sure IGNM's advice was sound. It's the only way of getting rid of the clowns at TR. As you say, BA, with a stay the case hangs around like a bad smell. However, if TR wanted to, they could start the whole process again but IMO if they haven't got a valid CCA, they risk the court making a civil restraint order banning them from any further action.

 

Don't forget to ask the judge for the fee back. That way TR have to send you a cheque. You can almost drool over the thought of them having to pay you money. And don't forget to add your time preparing your case. As a litigant in person you can claim £9.25 per hour.

 

best of luck with the hearing.

 

I am already drooling :) Thanks for advice about the time thing - I didn't know that. Do you mind me asking how many hours is realisitic to apply for? I've probably spent hours preparing over the past months,- but I don't want to appear too "greedy"!

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I don't know what a valid amount of time is. All I can say is that on a recent case of mine which was adjourned because the solicitors didn't have all the docs, they claimed £400 for a half hour hearing and all the preparation with a solicitor charging £125 per hour. The judge held over the costs but said I could claim my costs if I won. She added that it might only be at £9.25 per hour but obviously I would need longer than a solicitor to prepare and so "it usually works out at about the same"!!

On that basis you could charge for taking 10-12 times as long but that might be overdoing it. However, I wouldn't have a problem claiming a couple of hours for work that might take a solicitor 15-20 minutes.

I would also claim for travel costs to court and any loss of wages for taking time off work or taking a day’s holiday. Don't forget that you have to print off and send letters. Many solicitors charge a fixed fee as well. In my case they wanted £12.50 for sending AND for receiving & reading every letter. I don't know if the rate of £12.50 is laid down anywhere, but if it isn't, why not charge £12.50 for every letter you send/receive.

Whatever you charge, you could be asked to prove your time. I suggest you go through your file of papers and list each one and against each put in an estimate of time for dealing with each one.

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I don't think there are any forms. In my case, the other side wrote to me a few days before the hearing with an 'invoice' of their costs. The judge asked if I had been sent this. I think the idea is that once a judgment is made, the winning side asks for its costs. If the proposed figure is accepted by the losing side, then that is what is put in. If the loser objects, the judge seems to basically gets some agreement. In my case, with the other solicitors asking for £400, I suppose I could have objected and eventually settled on a figure of say £250.

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To all those who have asked, and who have contributed to this thread over the past months - I am delighted to tell you that I won :)

 

I took HFO to Court to have their claim for a Charging Order against my property, thrown out, as they have never responded to any of my letters or sent me any information. Of course they did not bother to turn up to the Court, which did not please the Judge at all :mad:

 

Their claim against me has been thrown out, and they are going to be told to pay all my costs within the next 14 days :) Of course I realise they may try and get this judgement against them overturned,- but I'm told not to worry in the meantime. I think my local Court are also pretty p****off with HFO who never seem to turn up anywhere!

 

Sadly, when I got home from Court, I found that I have a new battle on my hands - a letter from the (in)famous Cabot for my other outstanding credit card debt. But, thanks to this site, I feel so much more confident now, and I am going to totally forget about them for the next few days and celebrate :)

 

So again - just wanted to say thanks to EVERYONE here on this brilliant site who has helped me. Without your help, support, patience and knowledge, I could well have come out of this very badly, just because I knew nothing about DCA's and Court procedures or anything until this time. So big thanks to all - and a huge "GOD LUCK" to broken arrow for next week. i hope your case has a good conclusion just like mine.

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... and that was about 100 hours @ £9.25 you spend working on your defence, wasn't it?

 

Indeed :) Not to mention my loss of earnings for the day I went to Court, and the £75.00 for my N2444. I believe I have to ask a Mod to move this to the "successes" thread now!

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Hi and well done Rosie :)

 

Hope my hearing goes as well as yours , if I get same outcome IGNM,s advice was spot on.

 

How long did the hearing last? and was it all straight forward.

 

All for now

 

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Hi and well done Rosie :)

 

Hope my hearing goes as well as yours , if I get same outcome IGNM,s advice was spot on.

 

How long did the hearing last? and was it all straight forward.

 

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About 10-15 minutes - no longer :) Plus the 15 minutes I had to wait before they called me in, which I realise now is the time my local Court allows to wait for all parties to arrive, (just in case they are held up in traffic or whatever). The Judge was really approachable and friendly, and even though I admit I was very nervous beforehand, it wasn't scary at all. In my case - my Judge was a female in her 40's - very easy to talk to. One tip - if you haven't already done so - work out the costs you want to apply for before you go in there. I was expecting to have a form to fill in or something - but there wasn't one - the Judge just kind of asked me how much I earned per hour at work (to work out loss of a morning's earnings I guess), and any other expenses, and then told me how much she was awarding. I took loads of stuff with me like Bank Statements and payslips etc and she didn't need any of it, though I would still advise you to take it just in case your Judge is different. It really was so much better than I had feared, so good luck - hope yours wll be as trauma free :)Please let us know how you get on.

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Oh well done Rosie, I am really pleased for you. :)

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