Jump to content


  • Tweets

  • Posts

    • do you ultimately want to keep the car?
    • Thank you!    It was bought on my debit card    
    • Hi. Welcome to CAG. How was the car purchased?  
    • Absolutely for the agreement they are referring to.... puts them on notice that this is going to be a uphill fight.   Andy 
    • Particular's of claim for reference only 1. the claim is for the sum of £6163.61due by the defendant under an agreement regulated by the consumer credit act 1974 for hsbc uk bank plc. Account (16 digits) 2. The defendant failed to maintain contractual payments required by the agreement and a default notice was served under s 87(1)  of the consumer credit act 1974 which as not been compiled with. 3. The debt was legally assigned to the Claimant on 23/08/23, notice on which as been given to the defendant.  4. The claim includes statutory interest under S.69 of the county courts act 1984 at a rate of 8% per annum from the date of assignment to the date of issue of these proceedings in the sum of £117.53 the Claimant claims the sum of £6281.14. Suggested defence 1. The Defendant contends the particulars of the claim are generic in nature. The Defendant accordingly sets out its case below and relies on CPR r 16.3 (3) in relation to any particular allegation to which a specific response has not been made. 2. The claimant has not complied with paragraph 3 of the PAPDC (Pre action protocol) failed to serve a letter of claim pre claim pursuant to PAPDC changes of the 1st of October 2017. It is respectfully requested that the court take this into consideration pursuant 7.1 PAPDC. 3. Paragraph 1 is noted. I have in the past had financial dealings but do not recognise this specific account number or recollect any outstanding debt and have therefore requested clarification. 4. Paragraph 2 is denied. I have not been served with a default notice pursuant to the consumer credit act 1974. 5. Paragraph 3 is denied. i am unaware of any legal assignment or notice of assignment. A copy of assignment was sent by Overdales solicitors when acknowledgement of receipt of CPR request was received, but this was not the original.   6. Paragraph 4 is denied. Neither the original creditor or the assignee have served notice pursuant to sec86c of the Credit Consumer Act 1974 Notice of Sums in Arrears and therefore prevented from charging interest on debt regulated by the CCA1974. 7. The defendant submitted a request for a copy of the alleged agreement pursuant to s78 CCA 1974. The claimant has acknowledged receipt of request but has failed to comply. The claimant has failed to provide any evidence of balance or Default Notice requested by CPR 31.14 8. It is therefore denied with regards to defendant owing any monies to the claimant. therefore the claimant is put to strict proof to:  a.  Show how the defendant has entered into an agreement with HSBC. b.  Show and evidence the nature of breach and service of a Default notice pursuant to section 87 (1) CCA 1974. c.  Show and quantify how the defendant has reached the amount claimed for. d.  Show how the claimant has the legal right, either under statute or equity  to issue a claim. 8.  As per civil procedure rule 16.5 (4) it is expected claimant prove the allegation that the money is owed. 9.  Until such time the claimant can comply to a section 78 request he is not entitled, while the default continues, to enforce the agreement 10. By reasons of the facts and matters set out above, it is denied that the claimant is entitled to the relief claimed or any relief.     .
  • Recommended Topics

  • Our picks

    • If you are buying a used car – you need to read this survival guide.
      • 1 reply
    • Hello,

      On 15/1/24 booked appointment with Big Motoring World (BMW) to view a mini on 17/1/24 at 8pm at their Enfield dealership.  

      Car was dirty and test drive was two circuits of roundabout on entry to the showroom.  Was p/x my car and rushed by sales exec and a manager into buying the mini and a 3yr warranty that night, sale all wrapped up by 10pm.  They strongly advised me taking warranty out on car that age (2017) and confirmed it was honoured at over 500 UK registered garages.

      The next day, 18/1/24 noticed amber engine warning light on dashboard , immediately phoned BMW aftercare team to ask for it to be investigated asap at nearest garage to me. After 15 mins on hold was told only their 5 service centres across the UK can deal with car issues with earliest date for inspection in March ! Said I’m not happy with that given what sales team advised or driving car. Told an amber warning light only advisory so to drive with caution and call back when light goes red.

      I’m not happy to do this, drive the car or with the after care experience (a sign of further stresses to come) so want a refund and to return the car asap.

      Please can you advise what I need to do today to get this done. 
       

      Many thanks 
      • 81 replies
    • Housing Association property flooding. https://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/topic/438641-housing-association-property-flooding/&do=findComment&comment=5124299
      • 161 replies
    • We have finally managed to obtain the transcript of this case.

      The judge's reasoning is very useful and will certainly be helpful in any other cases relating to third-party rights where the customer has contracted with the courier company by using a broker.
      This is generally speaking the problem with using PackLink who are domiciled in Spain and very conveniently out of reach of the British justice system.

      Frankly I don't think that is any accident.

      One of the points that the judge made was that the customers contract with the broker specifically refers to the courier – and it is clear that the courier knows that they are acting for a third party. There is no need to name the third party. They just have to be recognisably part of a class of person – such as a sender or a recipient of the parcel.

      Please note that a recent case against UPS failed on exactly the same issue with the judge held that the Contracts (Rights of Third Parties) Act 1999 did not apply.

      We will be getting that transcript very soon. We will look at it and we will understand how the judge made such catastrophic mistakes. It was a very poor judgement.
      We will be recommending that people do include this adverse judgement in their bundle so that when they go to county court the judge will see both sides and see the arguments against this adverse judgement.
      Also, we will be to demonstrate to the judge that we are fair-minded and that we don't mind bringing everything to the attention of the judge even if it is against our own interests.
      This is good ethical practice.

      It would be very nice if the parcel delivery companies – including EVRi – practised this kind of thing as well.

       

      OT APPROVED, 365MC637, FAROOQ, EVRi, 12.07.23 (BRENT) - J v4.pdf
        • Like
  • Recommended Topics

Cl/Cohens claimform - old GEmoney Debenhams Store Card


popeye1
style="text-align: center;">  

Thread Locked

because no one has posted on it for the last 5905 days.

If you need to add something to this thread then

 

Please click the "Report " link

 

at the bottom of one of the posts.

 

If you want to post a new story then

Please

Start your own new thread

That way you will attract more attention to your story and get more visitors and more help 

 

Thanks

Recommended Posts

  • Replies 81
  • Created
  • Last Reply

Top Posters In This Topic

Top Posters In This Topic

Ive sorted a defence out which applys to us and will also send a Draft Order for Directions.

I will also send

Account indispute letter toCL Finance 1

A 2nd request for CCA to GE money 2

A request for information CPR to CL Finance 3

Letters 1/2/3.have been sent to solicitors already

ANY suggestions thanks

Link to post
Share on other sites

hi popeye,

 

can you post up the defence

 

yeah the motions/directions are submitted at the AQ stage

 

 

kind regards,

shane

____________________________________________

All advice is offered freely & without prejudice

 

 

If my post has been useful to you please click the scales

Link to post
Share on other sites

hi shane , its copied from my other case,it goes

1 The claiments statement of case,,,,,,,,,,,,,[

6 Altrenatively i respectfully request a stay

its quit along one but seems to cover everything

Link to post
Share on other sites

I am still not sure about the CCA form ,,after looking at other thread it does seem to have all items,but that form is all they sent me...I do have a letter apologising for time it took to send me the cca form in AUGUST then it went from GE to CL who started the claim in DEC

Link to post
Share on other sites

  • 5 weeks later...

Can anyone give faults with this above application agreement please,

Just had aletter from HC & Co sols which is a reply to my CPR letter saying We are not obliged to provide this information and that the particulars of the claim are sufficient to allow to respond accordingly.That said we have enclosed the credit agreement and available statements of account.We have also enclosed theDeed of Assignment relating to the transfer of the account to CL finance

Please respond with an a ppropiate defence or an admission and offer of repayments.

Falure to do so will result in a judgement being entered without referance to you.

We are at stage of waiting for the court to come back to us with a court date

Link to post
Share on other sites

The defence i sent as follows

1 The claiments statement of case is insuffciently prticularised etc

a The POC are vague etc

b They do not disclose a right of action etc

c A copy of the purported agreement etc

d A copy of the purported of the assignment etc

e A copy of the purported notice of assignment etc

f A copy of the purported default notice etc

g Acopy of any evidence of both scope and nature etc

2 Since the particulars of the claim do not state erc

3 Further to paragraph 2, etc

4 For the avoidance of doubt etc

5 In view of the matters pleaded above etc

6 Alternatively ,i respectfully etc

Sorry i could not write it fully

Link to post
Share on other sites

See this post here where I have put a link to the OFT explainatory PDF for SI 1553 which states how the agreement must be set out and the prescribed terms, these must be between the parties of the agreement and the signature box contained in the same document

 

http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/general/33174-consumer-credit-act-agreements-564.html#post1376831

Live Life-Debt Free

Link to post
Share on other sites

assuming that your signature is on it, it looks enforceable to me. However, its worth PMing peterbard to have a look at it.

 

What info is missing from the request for info?

i will be off site for the next month or so. if you have any problems, feel free to report the post so a moderator can help you.

 

I am not a qualified or practicing lawyer.

Link to post
Share on other sites

They just sent CCA and monthley statement from june 05to Nov 07 ,with 8 out of them missing.4 page Deed of assignment dated the 7th Dec [POC staes theywere assigned to claiment on the 5thDec]

They say they are not obliged to providethe information i asked for in the CPR letter but sent theCCA/Deed/statements anyway.

I asked for,copy of notice of assignment,/default notice/charges and fees /proof of postage and anyrelavent information

Link to post
Share on other sites

The Deed of ass does not state anything about the purported debt,.Itseems to be a general deed ..It states

.Whereas the Assignor. GE CAPITAL GLOBAL Consumer Finance Limited,the Assignee and The Lewis Group Lmited entered into an agreement on 3 April 1998 [ as subsequently amended and restated ] [the Agreement] pursuant to which the asignor agreed to sell and the assignee agreed to purchase certain debts as therein specified on the terms and soubject to the conditions therein contained

Link to post
Share on other sites

  • Recently Browsing   0 Caggers

    • No registered users viewing this page.

  • Have we helped you ...?


×
×
  • Create New...