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    • Few tweaks as the run order was completely messed up and the main point of your defence (reconstituted agreement) pushed to the bottom of the statement.   I, XXXXXX, being the Defendant in this case will state as follows; I make this Witness Statement in support of my defence in this claim and further to my set aside application dated 1 November 2022. 1.The claimants witness statement confirms that it mostly relies on hearsay evidence as confirmed by the drafts in person in the opening paragraph. It is my understanding they must serve notice to any hearsay evidence pursuant to CPR 33.2(1)(B) (notice of intention to rely on hearsay evidence) and Section 2 (1) (A) of the Civil Evidence Act. 2.  I understand that the claimant is an Assignee, a buyer of defunct or bad debts, which are bought on mass portfolios at a much reduced cost to the amount claimed and which the original creditors have already wrote off as a capital loss and claimed against taxable income as confirmed in the claimants witness statement exhibit by way of the Deed of Assignment. 3. As an assignee or creditor as defined in section 189 of the CCA this applies to this new requirement on assignment of rights.  This means that when an assignee purchases debts (or otherwise acquires rights under a credit agreement) it also acquires certain obligations to the borrower including the duty to comply with CCA requirements (such as the rules on statements and notices and other post-contractual information).  The assignee becomes the creditor under the agreement. This ensures that essential consumer protections under the CCA cannot be circumvented by assigning the debt to a third party. 4.  I became aware of original Judgement following a routine credit check on or around 14th September 2020. 5. The alleged letter of claim dated 7 January 2020 was served to a previous address which I moved out of in 2018, no effort was made to ascertain my correct address.  I have attached a copy of my tenancy agreement which is marked ‘Appendix 1’ and shows I was residing at a difference address as of 11 December 2018 and was therefore not at the service address at the time the proceedings were served.  I have also attached an email from my solicitors to the Claimants solicitors dated 14 July 2022 which was sent to them requesting that they disclose the trace of evidence they utilised prior to issuing the proceedings against me.  This is marked ‘Appendix 2’. The claimants solicitors did not provide me with these documents. 6. Under The Pre-Action Protocol for Debt Claims 2017 a Debt Buyer must undertake all reasonable enquiries to ensure the correct address of a debtor, this can be as simple as a credit file search. The Claimant failed to carry out such basic checks. Subsequently all letters prior to and including ,The Pre action Protocol letter of claim dated 7 January 2020 and the claim form dated 14th February 2020 were all served to a previous address which I moved out of in 2018. 7. Upon the discovery of the Judgement debt, I made immediate contact with the Court and the Claimant Solicitors, putting them on notice that I was making investigations in relation to the Judgement debt as it was not familiar to me.  I asked them to provide me with a copy of the original loan agreement but this was not provided to me.   The correspondence to the Claimant Solicitor's is attached and marked ‘Appendix 3’ 8. On (insert date) I successfully made application to set a side the judgment. The claim proceeded to allocation, 9. The claimant failed to comply with the additional directions ordered by District Judge Davis on the 2 February 2024 'The Claim shall be automatically struck out at 4pm on 3 April 2024 unless the Claimant delivers to the Court and to the Defendant the following documents.' None of these documents were received by the court nor the defendant by that date. (insert date you did receive the documents) I then sent a Data Subject Access Request to Barclays but no agreement was provided. Details the timeline of communication between myself and Barclays are attached and marked ‘Appendix 4’and the copies of correspondence between myself and Barclays are attached and marked ‘Appendix 5’. Remove irrelevant 10.The claimant relies upon and has exhibited a reconstituted version of the alleged agreement. It is again denied that I have ever entered into an agreement with Barclaycard on or around 2000.  It is admitted that I did hold other credit agreements with other creditors and as such should this be a debt that was assigned to Barclaycard from another brand therefore the reconstituted agreement disclosed is invalid being pre April 2007 and not legally enforceable pursuant to HHJ Judge Waksman in Carey v HSBC 2009 EWHC3417.  Details of this are attached and marked ‘Appendix 6’. The original credit agreement must be provided along with any reconstituted version on a modified credit agreement and must contain the names and address of debtor and creditor, agreement number and cancelation clause. 11. Therefore the claimant is put to strict proof to disclose a true executed legible agreement on which its claim relies upon and not mislead the court. 12. It is denied I have ever received a default Notice pursuant to sec 87(1) CCA1974.The claimant is put to strict proof to evidence from the original creditors internal document software the trigger of said notice.  13.   As per CPR 1.4(2)(a) the court encourages parties to cooperate with each other in the conduct of proceedings in order to try and save time and costs for the parties and to also save the time and resources of the court however, despite vast attempts at mediation the claimants have been most unreasonable and have remained unwilling to mediate. 14. Until such time the claimant can comply and disclose a true executed copy of the original assigned agreement they refer to within the particulars of this claim they are not entitled while the default continues, to enforce the agreement pursuant to section 78.6 (a) of the Credit Consumer Act 1974. I believe that the facts stated in this Witness Statement are true.  I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth. Signed                 ………………………………………………….. Name                  XXXX Date                     30 April 2024   Run 3 copies Court /Claimants Sol/File
    • As one of you mentioned above I've been in a mess for nearly 20 years now and I'm ready to sort my credit report out now - the main reason I got into second round of debt is my kids being unwell and the state considering them not unwell enough for extra help so despite my son being in hospital for 3 months in one year we got extra zero help and I eventually lost my job and got into debt to just so I can be تا my sons hospital bed at his time of need - my life basically fell apart and all these debts got me again 
    • Gosh mate I've woke up this morning with half the worry I had last night when going to sleep!.  I can't believe how much this forum has helped me over the years and I don't  have the words to explain the gratitude I feel towards you guys -  Now that I've slept on it I feel ready to reject this company and my plan is to make them an offer to accept payments to date as full and final settlement - I will I think write them a letter once my review is completed or maybe just send it now whilst they are reviewing explaining my kids are unwell for which reason I'm struggling to survive and if I can politely request for them to accept payment to date as a full and final - I'll mention I don't have any cash or anyone to borrow from to offer a full or even part amount of the remaining balance of the iva and therfore am unable to make a offer of payment.   If they agree to at least even put my offer to the creditors then I feel it's better I hang in there and that way I won't have to deal with any possibilities of more defaults and ccjs    Right now the only adverse effects on my credit report are the iva that is now 3 years old and 2 Ccj one coming of this July and one thus October.    But I am worried new action will begin and new defaults and Ccj may start to appear because I've paying into an agreement im under the impression the 6 year rules starts again so yes I have lost of mixed feelings about this but I'm not going to lie you guys have put some life back into my breath this week as for the last 3 years I've felt caged like an animal and this morning I feel freer I can't explain how much but certainly my soul feel lighter today thanks to yin because I'm now viewing this review totally different to I do yesterday thanks to you guys 
    • Court name UNKNOWN Case number ********** Amount N/A Confirmed by Insolvency Service Date issued May 2021 Type Voluntary Arrangement Notes If you have questions about voluntary arrangements you should speak to the Insolvency Service.     I started this in 2021. So it's been about 3 years I've been paying. 
    • Thanks @lookinforinfo@Nicky Boyi sent across the agreement earlier in this thread. No mention of financial reward to the MA. But, I wouldn't be surprised if it was done on the sly. As I said earlier, the owner of OPS is a convicted criminal, with a very shady reputation around these parts.
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Yeah! Or, in this case:

 

"Look, you KNOW I'm busy!! I have a 5000 word essay in for Thursday AND a job interview to prepare for!!!"

 

;)

 

Mind you, it leaves me plenty of time to get on here and swot up (not to mention getting Hayes & Yeading promoted into League One in Football Manager 2008!)

 

Every cloud! :)

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Ok, Paul, here's the actual wording. Sorry it's taken so long to get round to remembering it.

 

1. The action is stayed until Wednesday, 2nd April 2008, during which period the parties shall try to settle the matter or narrow the issues.

 

2. By 4pm on Wednesday, 2nd April 2008 the Claimant shall notify the court in writing of the outcome of negotiations (without disclosing any matters which remain subject to 'without prejudice' terms) and what, if any, further directions are sought. Failure to comply with this direction or to engage properly in negotiations may result in the application of sanctions. If settlement has been reached, the parties shall lodge a consent order signed by all of them.

 

3. Because this Order has been made by the Court without considering any representations from the parties, the parties have a right to apply to have this order set aside, varied or stayed. A party wishing to make an application must send or deliver the application to the Court (together with any appropriate fee) to arrive within seven days of this Order.

 

And that's about it. So what does it mean? Do you think (as someone mentioned in GoldLady's thread) that I should send an SAR to cover myself as they asked for the tenner way back and I never sent it as you advised at the time.

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Ok, Paul, here's the actual wording. Sorry it's taken so long to get round to remembering it.

 

1. The action is stayed until Wednesday, 2nd April 2008, during which period the parties shall try to settle the matter or narrow the issues.

 

2. By 4pm on Wednesday, 2nd April 2008 the Claimant shall notify the court in writing of the outcome of negotiations (without disclosing any matters which remain subject to 'without prejudice' terms) and what, if any, further directions are sought. Failure to comply with this direction or to engage properly in negotiations may result in the application of sanctions. If settlement has been reached, the parties shall lodge a consent order signed by all of them.

 

3. Because this Order has been made by the Court without considering any representations from the parties, the parties have a right to apply to have this order set aside, varied or stayed. A party wishing to make an application must send or deliver the application to the Court (together with any appropriate fee) to arrive within seven days of this Order.

 

And that's about it. So what does it mean? Do you think (as someone mentioned in GoldLady's thread) that I should send an S.A.R - (Subject Access Request) to cover myself as they asked for the tenner way back and I never sent it as you advised at the time.

 

Hi Phil,

its fairly clear that the judge wants this resolved out of court.

 

now then, sending a S7 SAR is entirely up to you, its your call

 

however, as things stand, they are going to have to disclose to you the credit agreement which they are relying upon. without it they are stuffed,so this is an ideal opportunity to send then a letter inviting them to address the issue of no agreement, since this matter cant be resolved without it

 

if they supply it then we look at it and decide if its compliant, if they don't have it then they are stuffed and cant continue with this claim

 

now iuf they refuse to come to the table and enter into discussions then you just advise the judge who will kick them in the Ar$e

 

thats the basics of it

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Hello Phil,

 

sorry mate but youre gonna need to be patient im afraid , ive got 5 other defences that need to be written ASAP so im kinda tied up. if you had posted the order earlier i would have had a reply done as i wasnt that busy, but now its not going to be something that i can look at til the weekend

 

regards

paul

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Absolutely no need to aplogise, mate. You've been great, wouldn't have got to this stage without you. I've knocked something up myself, without Legal Speak. We were ordered to enter into negotiations and I think that's what I've done. I've made another request for the information previously asked for with the CPR 18 in November (and copied the original letter to them once again) and also mentioned that I am prepared to pay for goods purchased (which has always been the case) but not the unlawful charges. I did not, at this stage, mention a figure I would settle at, but made it clear I needed the documentation before I was able to proceed much further, unless we could come to a mutual agreement.

 

I don't think I have done wrong by admitting the debt as I've never shyed away from it in the first place. I think what I put was an honest assessment of where we are at the moment and what is required in order to move forward.

 

Oh and, of course, I copied everything to the court with a cover note explaining that I felt I had done what I could to enter into negotiations, as requested by the judge. I, again, explained that, without the proper documentation I was unable to proceed with constructing a proper defence and felt that CLF are frustrating my attempts to do so by not sending me the requested.

 

Hope that's ok?

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No reply to my letter to them so far...I guess that's only a good thing for my case!

 

What I want to know though (and I hope I'm not getting ahead of myself here) is what happens if they don't reply? From looking ar other threads am I right in thinking that they could pay the money and start the whole procedure over again? Can they pass the debt back to GE Money, or whatever they're called, and they'll get someone else onto me? Will I ever really be free of this unless I make a payment that GE are happy with?

 

Sorry for all the questions, I'm just now looking to the next stage and thinking about my credit file and what will show on there.

 

Cheers

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Ok.....could do with some advice now, peeps......I figure that I've had a semi-victory. They have sent me the CCA (or, at least, a document which says "Consumer Credit Act Agreement" at the top. Looks like an application form to me, but if I can scan it in at some point today, perhaps someone could take a look? They've also sent all the statements for the past 4 years since I opened the account.

 

The reason I am calling it a victory is that they have said they accept my offer to settle the account, which is less than 50% of the total they are claiming. They want it in 28 days though...whilst it would be lovely to pay this and get it off my mind, I'm not sure I'll have that much free cash in 28 days. I was thinking of sending a cheque post-dated for the end of the April, by which time I'll have the dough.

 

What do you guys think? Either way, I am absolutely indebted to all the help and advice I've received on here since I received the claim form in November, especially Paul. Would never have had such a result without your help.

 

EDIT: Oh, and can I ask them to remove the default?? How much of an impact is this likely to have on me getting a mortgage at any time over the next 2 years or so?

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Ok.....could do with some advice now, peeps......I figure that I've had a semi-victory. They have sent me the CCA (or, at least, a document which says "Consumer Credit Act Agreement" at the top. Looks like an application form to me, but if I can scan it in at some point today, perhaps someone could take a look? They've also sent all the statements for the past 4 years since I opened the account.

 

The reason I am calling it a victory is that they have said they accept my offer to settle the account, which is less than 50% of the total they are claiming. They want it in 28 days though...whilst it would be lovely to pay this and get it off my mind, I'm not sure I'll have that much free cash in 28 days. I was thinking of sending a cheque post-dated for the end of the April, by which time I'll have the dough.

 

What do you guys think? Either way, I am absolutely indebted to all the help and advice I've received on here since I received the claim form in November, especially Paul. Would never have had such a result without your help.

 

EDIT: Oh, and can I ask them to remove the default?? How much of an impact is this likely to have on me getting a mortgage at any time over the next 2 years or so?

 

Phil,

 

any chance you could scan and post up what they have sent you? removing the personal details first,

 

if what they have sent isnt compliant then you could use it to your advantage to screw a settlement on your terms and get the default removed,

 

A default will stuff your chances of a mortgage so it needs to go

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Yeah, I will do just as soon as my colleague returns the lead for the scanner that he nicked yesterday!

 

Before I get a chance to get it off him (will probably be an hour or two before I next see him) can you remind me of all the things that are required, please? I can't believe that it's turned up after all this time!

 

By the way...it looks more like an application form to me...but it does contain the APR...just can't remember the rest of the things it needs.

 

I thought that by them agreeing to my settlement figure that they must've been scared of losing...? Or is that just wishful thinking?

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Ok, done a bit of nosing around and found these:

 

Amount of Credit - Not on what I received

 

Repayments

 

- Number - No

- Amount - No

- Frequency/timing - No

- Dates - No

- Manner of payment - No

 

Rate of interest - Yes

Credit limit - No

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Ok, done a bit of nosing around and found these:

 

Amount of Credit - Not on what I received

 

Repayments

 

- Number - No

- Amount - No

- Frequency/timing - No

- Dates - No

- Manner of payment - No

 

Rate of interest - Yes

Credit limit - No

really think we need to look at what tehy did send phil TBH
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2.03 per month (28% APR) for monthly payments by direct debits. Oh no its not, the APR works out at 27.3%

2.21 per month (29.9% APR) for monthly payments by other means. and this one works out at 30% APR.

 

well the payment for direct debit is incorrect and outside stated tolerances as they are allowed to be 0.1 under or 1.0 over

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Hi MR2Phil,

 

Glad you're making good progress with this, sounds like you may have them on the run! Your thread has been particularly useful for me with my recent problems with Link Financial.....

 

I've started my own thread at http://www.consumeractiongroup.c o....ncial-dca.html, and would greatly value all advice and experience!

 

Many thanks and good luck!

 

 

Agonynine

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well the payment for direct debit is incorrect and outside stated tolerances as they are allowed to be 0.1 under or 1.0 over

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Ok, particulars:

 

"The Claimant's claim is for the sum of £860.11 being monies due from the Defendant to the Claimant under a regulated credit agreement between the Defendant and GE Capital Bank Limited under reference ************* and assigned to the Claimant on the 21st November, 2007 notice of which has been given to the Defendant.

 

The Defendant has failed to make payment in accordance with the terms of the agreement and a default notice has been served upon Defendant persuant to Section 87(1) of the Consumer Credit Act 1974.

 

Pursuant to clause 7 of the agreement, the Claimant also claims contractual interest at a rate of 26.478% per annum from the date of these proceedings to the date of judgment, or sooner payment, accruing at a daily rate of £0.68"

 

Now, I'm a reasonable chap. I don't want to not pay this, but the fact I was TRYING and they still have resorted to this is what has left the bitterest taste.

 

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remember post 6 on this thread it is reproduced above where the particulars of claim mention the legendary clause 7 (it's a bit like sid from the old british gas adverts : has anyone seen sid ?? ): where are the original terms and conditions showing clause 7 and also clauses 1 to 6 and beyond??

 

pt : i presume the contact interest rate in the p.o.c. is ok ??

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