Speeding in a Van over 2 Tonnes

[freakyleaky]

While most drivers are clear about what a motorway is, some are confused about the definition of a dual carriageway. For a road to be classed as a dual carriageway, the two directions of traffic flow must be physically separated by a central reservation. A road where the two directions of flow are separated only by lines painted on the road surface is a single carriageway, regardless of the number of traffic lanes that may be available to the traffic in each direction. So a road with three or four lanes is not a dual carriageway if there is no central reservation.

[Bernie_the_Bolt]

I have never heard of or come across a 3 lane "dual" carriageway.

 

3 lanes in each direction.

[patdavies]

3 lanes in each direction.

 

Exactly

[Surfer01]

I always thought that "dual" meant two and not three. You learn something new everyday.

[Bernie_the_Bolt]

I always thought that "dual" meant two and not three. You learn something new everyday.

 

Yes it does. In this context it means one carriageway going one way and a second going the other.

 

It's not a "duallaneway".

[MilkTrayMan]

A Motorway is subject to special regs...i.e. NO stopping, NO Learner Drivers (...except HGV etc) NO Mopeds etc etc.

A Dual Carriageway allows all of the above plus more.

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[patdavies]

It is a dual carriageway.

 

A carriageway consists of one or more lanes.

[gwc1000]

One thing I have never been 100% sure of -if a road has only one lane in each direction but is divided by a central reservation I assume that would be classed as a dual carriageway and increased speed limits apply?

[green_and_mean]

Caravans and trailers can use the 3rd lane of a motorway if one or more of the others is closed for any reason (such as thru road works).

[MilkTrayMan]

Caravans and trailers can use the 3rd lane of a motorway if one or more of the others is closed for any reason (such as thru road works).

Pikey!!!...

...lol...

[advisee]

I would like to point out that, although the speed limit for HGV`s on a motorway is 60MPH they are mechanically restricted to 90 KMH ( 56 MPH ) and I personally think all vehicles should be restricted but that’s another story.

 

Only vehicles built after a certain date (1988 ish was it?). I have fond memories of driving a Leyland Cruiser breakdown truck along a motorway overtaking all the lorries...

[cal37]

Yes there is a cut off date but I think (don’t know for sure) that if it’s used for hire and reward then it must have a limiter fitted. If it’s purely a show vehicle then its not.

As I say I’m not 100 % sure but I will find out.

[patdavies]

One thing I have never been 100% sure of -if a road has only one lane in each direction but is divided by a central reservation I assume that would be classed as a dual carriageway and increased speed limits apply?

 

Yes, unless lower limits are (properly) signed.

 

It is the existence of the central reservation that makes it a DC, not the number of lanes in the carriageway

[patdavies]

Only vehicles built after a certain date (1988 ish was it?). I have fond memories of driving a Leyland Cruiser breakdown truck along a motorway overtaking all the lorries...

 

Breakdown/recovery trucks are exempt all sorts of things.

 

Driver's hours; using outside lane of M-way; etc.

 

I think that they also don't need tachographs

[cal37]

Breakdown/recovery trucks are exempt all sorts of things.

 

Driver's hours; using outside lane of M-way; etc.

 

I think that they also don't need tachographs

True until April this year, then only specialised breakdown vehicles operating within a 100Km radius of their base are exempt.

The drivers of breakdown vehicles have always been subject to UK domestic hour rules.

[advisee]

Yes there is a cut off date but I think (don’t know for sure) that if it’s used for hire and reward then it must have a limiter fitted. If it’s purely a show vehicle then its not.

 

As I say I’m not 100 % sure but I will find out.

 

Use is irrelevant, its the date the vehicle was constructed that dictates whether or it needs a limiter.

 

Show vehicle/private vehicle would still need a limiter and tachograph (calibrated) if it was dated for example 1990.

[patdavies]

Caravans and trailers can use the 3rd lane of a motorway if one or more of the others is closed for any reason (such as thru road works).

 

They also can if there are more than 3 lanes...

[cal37]

At present Directive 92/6/EEC requires speed limiters to be fitted to:

• all passenger carrying vehicles with a maximum mass exceeding 10 tonnes; and,
  
• all goods carrying vehicles with a maximum mass exceeding 12 tonnes.

Limiters have to be set at 100kmh, and to restrict speed to 90kmh, respectively. The provisions are incorporated into regulations 36A(2) and 36B(2) of the Regulations, respectively.

Existing GB legislation goes wider than EC legislation and in practice requires speed limiters to be fitted additionally to:

• all passenger carrying vehicles with a maximum mass exceeding 7.5 tonnes; and,
  
• all goods carrying vehicles with a maximum mass exceeding 7.5 tonnes.

Limiters have to be set at 100kmh (113kmh in the case of vehicles first used prior to 1 January 1988), and to restrict speed to 60mph, respectively. The provisions are incorporated into regulations 36A(1) and (2), and 36B(1) of the Regulations, respectively.

When Directive 2002/85/EC is fully implemented - after all the relevant transitional provisions have expired - limiters will be required by EC law to be fitted to:

• All passenger vehicles with more than eight passenger seats; and
  
• All goods vehicles with a maximum mass exceeding 3.5 tonnes.

Limiters will have to be set at 100kmh, and to restrict speed to 90kmh, respectively.

The provisions of Directive 2002/85/EC apply to all 'in-scope' vehicles first used on or after 1 January 2005. However, provided they are used solely for national transport operations, passenger carrying vehicles with a mass not exceeding 5 tonnes, and goods carrying vehicles with a mass not exceeding 7.5 tonnes, will not have to be fitted with limiters until 1 January 2008.

Limiters will also have to be fitted to 'in-scope' diesel-engined vehicles first used between 1 October 2001 and 1 January 2005. These vehicles will need to be fitted retrospectively with limiters by 1 January 2006, unless they are used solely for national transport operations in which case they do not need to be fitted until 1 January 2007.

 

It seems that constuction date not longer matters.What does matter is the weight and if it is used for hire and reward.

 

A truck not used for hire or reward ( ie: show truck ) is not required to be fitted with a tachograph but does need a limiter.