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    • No you're not doomed. It's a shame you covered up the dates and times on your PCN since they can possibly help your case when they don't comply with the requirements of the rules in private car parks. Could you please therefore include the arrival and departure times as well as the date of the offence and the date on which they alleged they sent you the PCN. The PCN does not comply with the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 Schedule 4.since the wording should invite the keeper to pay the outstanding amount. Also I cannot see on the PCN that UKPO are the Creditor though I may have missed it since it is so unusual not to include it. The upshot is that you as keeper are no longer liable to pay the charge if the driver fails to pay within 28 days-0nly the driver is now liable. As Courts [assuming it gets that far ] do not accept that the driver and the keeper are not the same these rogues will have a hard job who was driving unless you appeal or have appealed and revealed who was driving. You did say that you weren't parked there long and had that been correct you have perhaps 15 minutes where you might have had a further. argument. As it judging by the confusing times mentioned in the wording or the PCN you were there for almost an hour? However as the light was not good and I presume the signs were not illuminated that is a reason that you could not see the sign. And did you have your blue badge showing ? Interestingly the post code quoted does not agree with the Post office one in West houghton= BL5 3JS Are there two different Tesco  car parks in Bolton. You obviously could not be in two places at the same time...............
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    • Hello I've got a parking ticket, see here... https://ibb.co/DfHqg9F https://ibb.co/QvqH52m https://ibb.co/pbPPdDg https://ibb.co/X2F1X25 I've been parking at a particular corner in a small Tesco car park for years. Recently they put two electric charging plugs, one where that spot is and one at the bay next door, so I stopped using them out of courtesy in case they need to be used (I use that Tesco every day and drive past every day but have yet to see anyone use them). Recently I went back to Tesco when it was reasonably dark. All the bays were full, including the three blue badge bays. I have one but none of the cars parked in the bays did, I noticed as I walked past them (nobody ever gets pulled for that because Tesco have never policed this small car park before). Since there was two free electric bay spaces, and since I wasn't going to be long (just one product), I parked into my former 'regular' spot. There was a notice on the wall but if I'm honest I didn't read it because (a) I'm thick, and (b) I honestly thought it was just telling people how to use the device (like I said, I'm thick) rather than this being a parking fine. I went back during daylight and the sign is very obvious (as you can see from the picture), although not so obvious at night, although probably still obvious enough for you to tell me "tough luck, pal". Now they want £100 or £60 if I pay quickly. Am I doomed?
    • Hi All   After a bit of advice to see where I stand. Bought a car in Sept 2022 on pcp. Been told it had a big inspection and was good to go. Had many issues with it throughout the year including trims coming off the car and sunroof not closing.   While getting the sunroof repaired at month 12, in Sept 2023, the bodyshop guy said your cars been in a bad accident. Garage said it hasn't but offered to take the car back at half of what I paid for it as long as I buy a replacement from them before inspecting it (probably damage control) (car was £78k, said they'd offer £40k "trade in value" as if doing me a favour).   Ended up getting a forensic inspection done for £2400 in Dec 2023, confirmed car was in a bad smash (write off level but unrecorded on hpi) and potentially unsafe to drive - front end is slightly bent towards 1 side, what looks like a hairline crack on the chasis, overspray, bonner with patches of filler all over it, damaged rubbers etc   Raised complaint to finance company and few weeks ago to FOS... just wondering what people's experiences have been like going through the FOS, main thing that concerns me is that it was 12-13 months after I bought the car that I realised what caused these issues and raised the issue to the garage/ finance co but the damage/ misaligned panels are actually visible in the advert photos which I saved thankfully.    Dealership has had my car for 4 weeks to let a few bodyshops look at it (without giving me a courtesy car!!!) Not giving me any updates either because I went to the FOS about it and didnt want to speak to them over the phone anymore as opposed to emails. Note: hanging trim was reported within 3 months but due to part delays it didn't come until like July 2023, within 2 months the piece came off again, claimed under repairers warranty for another replacement 6 weeks ago and within 2 weeks this time the trim is coming off AGAIN (assuming it won't stay on due to the car being actually bent out of shape slightly)   Any idea if I have a good case or if there's anything else I can do?   Thanks
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My brother broke his hip and fractured his coxic in a serious accident whenhe fall of a roof.

He pungtured a lung and broke 3 of his ribs and spent many weeks in hospital. .



Since this accident he has lost almost everything.

His girlfriend, his 2 children, his home and a willing to live.

He has mood swings and suffers from depression and his family life suffered because of this.



He has tried to build his life again but as much as he has good days they are overshadowed by bad days.



He has moved back to the family home and has made very slow progress.



Recently he has been getting better as friends have been coming to see him.

He has a knack when it comes to fixing and sorting cars out he has an eye for detail and has recently rebuilt a car.



He is more than grateful to friends and family for aking him to fix their cars

but does it has a hobby and nothing more.



He has a new girlfriend now who bought him a car to fix up and he had been working on this car for a number of days.



3 days ago someone from DWP turned up on the doorstep and told him he had been reported to them for making money out of fixing up cars.

Which is not true as he has never taken a penny for anything he has done.



We do have an idea of who is responsible for calling these people, but no proof.

These are neighbours of our family.



For many years they have been vidictive and take great pleasure in hurtin and upsetting our family.

Today I went to see my brother and he has slipped back into a very low state of mind.

He couldn't talk to me about it today as he couldn't stop crying.

To see a many of 37 crying is heartrenching.



He feels that everyone is against him.

If you have ever suffered from depression you will understand how much one thing can put someone back so much.



I feel annoyed and very angry that people like this think they are doing good when they need to know the facts

before they report anyone.



My family are honest people and my brother is mentally ill.

This is the last thing he needs.



Just when we thought things were about to get better for him someone has the nerve to knock him back.



The DWP have said they will be watching him from now on.

I have told him you have done nothing wrong except try to get your life back on track.



We had hoped by this encouragment it may help him pick himself up and look for a job.



Now he feels that he is being watched.We are almost 100% sure it is the neighbours



as when I go out of my car they were wtching me through their curtains.

We know that the DEP are only doing there job and acting on information.

But what can you do when the information they have is wrong.

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Nothing really. They would have to 'prove' that he has earned money. I take it that are not taking it any further if they said they will be watching.

I do sympathise and when you are in a state of depression and you feel you are being 'needed' by doing something for others, it boosts you emmensly


Check out you brothers doctors to see if they run a group for people with depression as they sometimes put people in touch with local employers who would take on your brother as a volunteer in this type of work and he can also gain certificates in this type of work that may help him out in the future when he could be ready to go into work.




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I was really saddened by your post,surely he is allowed a hobby and as you say it was helping him overcome his depression.


I do hope he can put this behind him, maybe the nieghbours need to get a life and leave your family alone to get on with helping your brother to rebuild his.


I truly feel sorry for you.

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I think that you could help- what you wrote here should be sent to DWP.

DWP employs people although it's sometimes difficult to believe it!

These people are decision-makers and they know about vindictive neighbours, occupations that are allowed or beneficial etc. They also know that without evidence they cannot allege fraud. They may also be advised that you are not prepared to have your brother harassed or stressed out.

Nicey nicey but firmly :)


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Some very good advice there, maybe your brothers Doctor could also put in a word for him to say how this has helped his recovery, I am sure this is very frustrating for you all, but don't let them win.

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Nothing really. They would have to 'prove' that he has earned money.


Not really true.


There is no requirement for the DWP to prove that a claimant has earned money whilst claiming.


To be available for work is the test and seeking work.


A jobseeker needs to sign a declaration each fortnight that they have sought work. If they admit they have not then they are not entitled to benefit.


Depression is an awful thing. However, I cannot see that your brother is claiming a sickness related benefit from your post.


Like it or not, if your brother has been working a 'hobby' repairing cars and not looking for work then he may well get his benefit stopped.


A jobseeker is regarded as a 9-5er. Meaning in those hours they need to look for work or practice their hobby in free time, like a weekend.


Sorry, but it's the law.

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I took it from post that it would be Incapacity rather than jobseelers due to condition


anyone 'working' over the weekend or evening is still regarded as work , job seekers is just not 9 - 5 .


but they do have to prove that you are working for someone and being paid for that work.........


they have to prove you are in a 'work' position...


just cause i do odd jobs for family and friends doesn't mean i get 'paid' for this work and therefore do not pay tax and NI for it....




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With health problems like this, I would have been surprised if OP's brother wasn't in receipt of incapacity bens, DLA maybe...but then it's guesswork. So, assuming that he is in receipt of benefits because he is incapable of work, DWP may check whether this is the situation indeed. Still, claimants of some benefits are not expected to do absolutely nothing and some are even allowed to take up work if it's beneficial to their health without loosing benefit.

Your brother needs a proper benefit advice anyway, so get in a queue in your local CAB.


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Thank you for posting the advice you have it was very moving snd bought me to tears.


I am aware that my brother claims income support and nothing else. He ecently had an assessment by the DWP and the Dr who examined him agreed that he clinically depressed and unfit for work.


I am very worried about hi situation and feel like screaming at the "neighbours and the DWP to back of. Not long after his accident he took sleeping pils and downed a full bottle of neat vodka. He ended up on a physciatric ward and had his stomach pumped. He has tried to put things behind him and move on. But every time he seems to be getting there Bam another thing hits him, but hits him harder.


Our prority is to get my brother back. When I don't know. I know that he doesn't get paid for any work he has done and he migh be fit for work today but not tomorrow.


If only they could stop and think hat these actions have done. I don't in anyway blame the DWP - its there job. But there are 2 sides and the imprssion we got was it was the neihbours side they took.

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Well, i really would get his psychiatrist or CPN to write a letter - what he is doing is occupational therapy, not work. Would they check up if he was knitting or flower-arranging? It's the same thing.


I think your brother needs this taken away from him so he doesn't lapse further. I would speak to the professionals mentioned above, stating the negative impact this has had and get them to contact the DWP on your brother's behalf.


There really are real people at the DWP (I know - years ago, I worked at one) and they will be sympathetic and listen to medical professionals.


They also may be able to help when he is feeling better to get him into some sort or unpaid training in exactly this sort of thing.


Unfortunately, positive action will ahve to be taken or this situation could spiral out of control which could affect your brother's mental health adversely. He needs someone to be strong for him on this until he is strong enough himself to deal with it.


Good luck!

All help is merely my opinion only - please seek legal advice if you need to as I am only qualified in SEN law.

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A few years ago I was reported for living with someone whilst on benefits, probably by a neighbour, and it was a truly horrible situation. I imagine it's almost impossible to prove that someone does not live with you most of the time, especially when you have an investigator reading to you that 'he's been seen coming and going on a daily basis, and his car is always parked outside'.

Luckily for me at the time, the person they suspected was working in Japan and had been for three months which was easy to prove, and his car was parked outside as he'd lent it to me as mine had just failed yet another MOT and was obviously destined for the scrap heap. I still don't know which neighbour it was or why they should have done such a horrible thing. I would like to believe they genuinely thought we were breaking the law, but that's difficult in view of the obvious lies in their statement. My first thought when this happened was to take the car straight back to his house, but I didn't and it's still parked out side every time he's away which at least gives me the satisfaction of knowing that whoever reported me knows they didn't win. About 6 months later someone, probably the same person, even tried reporting it to the council as an abandoned vehicle. Some people are just plain nasty.

I can fully sympathise with your brother. Even though I knew I'd done nothing wrong, until the letter arrived from DWP confirming their investigation was complete, I don't think I slept at all. At the time, this person was genuinely just a good friend (his son and my daughter were school friends, we got chatting when he picked his son up one evening etc) but things have now moved on. We still do not live together, but he does occasionally stay over - usually when we've hit the wine lol - and every time I'm almost having a nervous breakdown in case someone reports us again. It doesn't make for a relaxing evening, which is why we don't do it very often.

One final point. 'Innocent until proven guilty' doesn't necessarily apply to DWP. They stopped all my benefits without even telling me, even IB and DLA, until the investigation was complete which left me with no money at all for four weeks.

I can't really give any advice other than to get as many professionals as he can on his side over 'therapeutic work', and keep doing it. It's good for him, the DWP can see what he's doing and why, and the neighbours will see that their tactics didn't work. And good luck.


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I took it from post that it would be Incapacity rather than jobseelers due to condition


anyone 'working' over the weekend or evening is still regarded as work , job seekers is just not 9 - 5 .



I think you misread my post ida.


A jobseeker is expected to search for work during hours of 9 to 5.


It would be pretty daft for a jobseeker to say they look for work during the hours of 10pm to 6am, when most places are closed, yet expect to get benefit.


Also, I bought a home study course just before becoming jobless but the DWP told me that I should only study in my spare time, after the hours 9 to 5, as that time needs to be spent searching for work.

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maybe a few 'crossed wires'


i was meaning if the dwp turned up over the weekend and he was still doing his 'hobby' it could still be classed as 'work' and could stop benefits etc.


i think we are both meaning the same but in different senario :confused: if that makes sense! :cool:




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maybe a few 'crossed wires'


i was meaning if the dwp turned up over the weekend and he was still doing his 'hobby' it could still be classed as 'work' and could stop benefits etc.


i think we are both meaning the same but in different senario :confused: if that makes sense! :cool:





Yes, I think so!:)

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I am a bit surprised that the fraud section (within the DWP) jumped in so quickly, they usualy compile a dossier then call you into your local office.


I do understand how it must have had a dramatic effect on your brother though. I never understood depression until earlier this year.............It is a dark nasty place to be. Hard to get out of but very easy to get pulled back into.


The totally absurd thing is if you get incapacity benefit, you are allowed to earn up to £80 odd pounds a week and not affect your benefit.........if that isn't bizzare I don't know what is!


A word of warning regarding DLA. It is very very hard to get nowadays. If you glance at my bank thread you will get an idea of my health issues. I am now on my 2nd application being refused and trying to get it reconsidered. I have yet to come accross one single person who says I should not be on it, yet still they refuse.....................................If your brother does apply make him see, it takes time and they will probably refuse first time. Also it matters HOW you fill the form in. If I can offer any help at all with it if you claim let me know.


Hope your brother feels better soon. Tell him about the support people on here, who don't know him are giving....................might help.




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A very sad story and typical of the DWP to chase the innocent, your brother is probably identified as an easy target. Why do they chase people who they know at most would have earned a few pounds whilst they do nothing with those who have intentionally made thousands (I do know some). I realise your brother got nothing, just mentioned the above as being typical of what they would belive they were chasing.


Obviously your brother is unfit for work at present. He appears to have a talent for mechanics but perhaps no qualifications to assist him when he does become ready to work. At a guess he would love to work with cars. Just a suggestion, why not create a letter for him clearly stating he has received no payment, the work done, experience gained etc and get the person who would otherwise have had to pay a fortune at a garage to sign it and add their address for reference? Surely the DWP would be happy that your brother is being pro-active in getting work experience?

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Im sorry but this is the country we live in today RATS and GRASS's encouraged by all government departments. So what if you live with a girl or a boy, read some of my posts about neighbours and thw destruction they can bring you in some of posts.


DWP can alledge fraud anytime they want they do not need proof thats the whole idea of an allegation of fraud its not true or false, they need to obtain evidence by questioning or observation. be vigilant thats all. No comment always works its upto them to prove fraud against you. END!

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