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    • further polished WS using above suggestions and also included couple of more modifications highlighted in orange are those ok to include?   Background   1.1  The Defendant received the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) on the 06th of January 2020 following the vehicle being parked at Arla Old Dairy, South Ruislip on the 05th of December 2019.   Unfair PCN   2.1  On 19th December 2023 the Defendant sent the Claimant's solicitors a CPR request.  As shown in Exhibit 1 (pages 7-13) sent by the solicitors the signage displayed in their evidence clearly shows a £60.00 parking charge notice (which will be reduced to £30 if paid within 14 days of issue).  2.2  Yet the PCN sent by the Claimant is for a £100.00 parking charge notice (reduced to £60 if paid within 30 days of issue).   2.3        The Claimant relies on signage to create a contract.  It is unlawful for the Claimant to write that the charge is £60 on their signs and then send demands for £100.    2.4        The unlawful £100 charge is also the basis for the Claimant's Particulars of Claim.  No Locus Standi  3.1  I do not believe a contract with the landowner, that is provided following the defendant’s CPR request, gives MET Parking Services a right to bring claims in their own name. Definition of “Relevant contract” from the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4,  2 [1] means a contract Including a contract arising only when the vehicle was parked on the relevant land between the driver and a person who is-   (a) the owner or occupier of the land; or   (b) Authorised, under or by virtue of arrangements made by the owner or occupier of the land, to enter into a contract with the driver requiring the payment of parking charges in respect of the parking of the vehicle on the land. According to https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/46/section/44   For a contract to be valid, it requires a director from each company to sign and then two independent witnesses must confirm those signatures.   3.2  The Defendant requested to see such a contract in the CPR request.  The fact that no contract has been produced with the witness signatures present means the contract has not been validly executed. Therefore, there can be no contract established between MET Parking Services and the motorist. Even if “Parking in Electric Bay” could form a contract (which it cannot), it is immaterial. There is no valid contract.  Illegal Conduct – No Contract Formed   4.1 At the time of writing, the Claimant has failed to provide the following, in response to the CPR request from myself.   4.2        The legal contract between the Claimant and the landowner (which in this case is Standard Life Investments UK) to provide evidence that there is an agreement in place with landowner with the necessary authority to issue parking charge notices and to pursue payment by means of litigation.   4.3 Proof of planning permission granted for signage etc under the Town and country Planning Act 1990. Lack of planning permission is a criminal offence under this Act and no contract can be formed where criminality is involved.   4.4        I also do not believe the claimant possesses these documents.   No Keeper Liability   5.1        The defendant was not the driver at the time and date mentioned in the PCN and the claimant has not established keeper liability under schedule 4 of the PoFA 2012. In this matter, the defendant puts it to the claimant to produce strict proof as to who was driving at the time.   5.2 The claimant in their Notice To Keeper also failed to comply with PoFA 2012 Schedule 4 section 9[2][f] while mentioning “the right to recover from the keeper so much of that parking charge as remains unpaid” where they did not include statement “(if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met)”.     5.3         The claimant did not mention parking period, times on the photographs are separate from the PCN and in any case are that arrival and departure times not the parking period since their times include driving to and from the parking space as a minimum and can include extra time to allow pedestrians and other vehicles to pass in front.    Protection of Freedoms Act 2012   The notice must -   (a) specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates;  22. In the persuasive judgement K4GF167G - Premier Park Ltd v Mr Mathur - Horsham County Court – 5 January 2024 it was on this very point that the judge dismissed this claim.  5.4  A the PCN does not comply with the Act the Defendant as keeper is not liable.  No Breach of Contract   6.1       No breach of contract occurred because the PCN and contract provided as part of the defendant’s CPR request shows different post code, PCN shows HA4 0EY while contract shows HA4 0FY. According to PCN defendant parked on HA4 0EY which does not appear to be subject to the postcode covered by the contract.  6.2         The entrance sign does not mention anything about there being other terms inside the car park so does not offer a contract which makes it only an offer to treat,  Interest  7.1  It is unreasonable for the Claimant to delay litigation for  Double Recovery   7.2  The claim is littered with made-up charges.  7.3  As noted above, the Claimant's signs state a £60 charge yet their PCN is for £100.  7.4  As well as the £100 parking charge, the Claimant seeks recovery of an additional £70.  This is simply a poor attempt to circumvent the legal costs cap at small claims.  7.5 Since 2019, many County Courts have considered claims in excess of £100 to be an abuse of process leading to them being struck out ab initio. An example, in the Caernarfon Court in VCS v Davies, case No. FTQZ4W28 on 4th September 2019, District Judge Jones-Evans stated “Upon it being recorded that District Judge Jones- Evans has over a very significant period of time warned advocates (...) in many cases of this nature before this court that their claim for £60 is unenforceable in law and is an abuse of process and is nothing more than a poor attempt to go behind the decision of the Supreme Court v Beavis which inter alia decided that a figure of £160 as a global sum claimed in this case would be a penalty and not a genuine pre-estimate of loss and therefore unenforceable in law and if the practice continued, he would treat all cases as a claim for £160 and therefore a penalty and unenforceable in law it is hereby declared (…) the claim is struck out and declared to be wholly without merit and an abuse of process.”  7.6 In Claim Nos. F0DP806M and F0DP201T, District Judge Taylor echoed earlier General Judgment or Orders of District Judge Grand, stating ''It is ordered that the claim is struck out as an abuse of process. The claim contains a substantial charge additional to the parking charge which it is alleged the Defendant contracted to pay. This additional charge is not recoverabl15e under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4 nor with reference to the judgment in Parking Eye v Beavis. It is an abuse of process from the Claimant to issue a knowingly inflated claim for an additional sum which it is not entitled to recover. This order has been made by the court of its own initiative without a hearing pursuant to CPR Rule 3.3(4)) of the Civil Procedure Rules 1998...''  7.7 In the persuasive case of G4QZ465V - Excel Parking Services Ltd v Wilkinson – Bradford County Court -2 July 2020 (Exhibit 4) the judge had decided that Excel had won. However, due to Excel adding on the £60 the Judge dismissed the case.  7.8        The addition of costs not previously specified on signage are also in breach of the Consumer Rights Act 2015, Schedule 2, specifically paras 6, 10 and 14.   7.9        It is the Defendant’s position that the Claimant in this case has knowingly submitted inflated costs and thus the entire claim should be similarly struck out in accordance with Civil Procedure Rule 3.3(4).   In Conclusion   8.1        I invite the court to dismiss the claim.  Statement of Truth  I believe that the facts stated in this witness statement are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.   
    • Well the difference is that in all our other cases It was Kev who was trying to entrap the motorist so sticking two fingers up to him and daring him to try court was from a position of strength. In your case, sorry, you made a mistake so you're not in the position of strength.  I've looked on Google Maps and the signs are few & far between as per Kev's MO, but there is an entrance sign saying "Pay & Display" (and you've admitted in writing that you knew you had to pay) and the signs by the payment machines do say "Sea View Car Park" (and you've admitted in writing you paid the wrong car park ... and maybe outed yourself as the driver). Something I missed in my previous post is that the LoC is only for one ticket, not two. Sorry, but it's impossible to definitively advise what to so. Personally I'd probably gamble on Kev being a serial bottler of court and reply with a snotty letter ridiculing the signage (given you mentioned the signage in your appeal) - but it is a gamble.  
    • No! What has happened is that your pix were up-to-date: 5 hours' maximum stay and £100 PCN. The lazy solicitors have sent ancient pictures: 4 hours' maximum stay and £60 PCN. Don't let on!  Let them be hoisted by their own lazy petard in the court hearing (if they don't bottle before).
    • Thanks for all the suggestions so far I will amend original WS and send again for review.  While looking at my post at very beginning when I submitted photos of signs around the car park I noticed that it says 5 hours maximum stay while the signage sent by solicitor shows 4 hours maximum stay but mine is related to electric bay abuse not sure if this can be of any use in WS.
    • Not sure what to make of that or what it means for me, I was just about to head to my kip and it's a bit too late for legalise. When is the "expenditure occured"?  When they start spending money to write to me?  Or is this a bad thing (as "harsh" would imply)? When all is said and done, I do not have two beans to rub together, we rent our home and EVERYTHING of value has been purchased by and is in my wife's name and we are not financially linked in any way.  So at least if I can't escape my fate I can at least know that they will get sweet FA from me anyway   edit:  ah.. Sophia Harrison: Time bar decision tough on claimants WWW.SCOTTISHLEGAL.COM Time bar is a very complex area of law in Scotland relating to the period in which a claim for breach of duty can be pursued. The Scottish government...   This explains it like I am 5.  So, a good thing then because creditors clearly know they have suffered a loss the minute I stop paying them, this is why it is "harsh" (for them, not me)? Am I understanding this correctly?  
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I am worried about what my husband proposing to do to save going to dentist and wondered if any other Caggers tried this and if they had any success?

 

We are both on a low household income and unable to afford dentists or even know of any decent ones as the NHS ones we saw over the last few years been not a lot of good and one of them even burnt my husbands mouth with the drill handle getting to hot so as well as not having any money we don't even know of any we can trust or feel confident about

 

My husband has a crown coming loose and he is thinking about using some super glue to glue it back in when it does come outHe is very sensible man and know what he is doing and used to using glue so hopefully will be able to glue it back in alright but wondered if anyone else had done this to save money and avoid expense and hassle of finding a decent dentist and if it was successful ? Though I know it would not be recommended

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No idea whether Superglue is toxic, although i recall rumours that it was originally invented to stick skin/wounds together (although think I got that from the film, Dog Soldiers !).

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superglue is not waterproof and will eventually breakdown.

under the compress/uncompress of chewing

 

also, by name its Cyanoacrylate

 

a by-product if heated is cyanide!!

 

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There are several crown repair kits available to buy over the counter - Boots stock one and it's supposed to be a temporary repair until you can get to a dentist but a friend of mine had used it and it lasted for quite some time.

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No idea whether Superglue is toxic, although i recall rumours that it was originally invented to stick skin/wounds together (although think I got that from the film, Dog Soldiers !).

 

Yes that is where my OH got the idea from as he is extremly interested in war films documetaries!

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I've just asked my friend what he used - it's called Dentek dental first aid kit from Boots £7.50 (ish) contains a paste you mix to secure the crown.

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Hello there.

 

I don't know much about this but I would have thought dentists used special glues? I would advise great caution until you understand what you're doing.

 

My best, HB

 

yes myabe one idea for me to do is google and try and find out more about the special glues these dentists use! As they must be safe if used by dentists! would be lovely if i could locate the special glue proper dentists use!

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I've just asked my friend what he used - it's called Dentek dental first aid kit from Boots £7.50 (ish) contains a paste you mix to secure the crown.

 

Thanks for sugestion ell enn But both me and have tried this product and similat products to try and cement crowns fix fillings butfound that we did not get on well with them and they did not last long!

 

I have got several broken teeth at back and lost one of my crowns as tooth decayed underneath it but luckily all my teeth being back teeth and crown at back too it been not so bad for me as they do not show or stop me biting on food. so i given up for myself but my poor OH has several front teeth capped

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please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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superglue is not waterproof and will eventually breakdown.

under the compress/uncompress of chewing

 

also, by name its Cyanoacrylate

 

a by-product if heated is cyanide!!

 

dx

 

I must admit i do hate the idea of my OH using it and sounds scary

 

,I did tell him about your post but he so desperate he wants to still try it and i suppose the glue will not get very hot in his mouth and stay where it is until crown comes of again

 

.That is hopeing this will happen and do no harm. but i do hope i can find something better and so grateful for every ones suggestions and wouldm be so grateful for any furthur ideas or names of glues dentists do use

 

As like you say dont really want him putting something like super glue in his mouth but he is deserate to try anything rather than go to dentist

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I wouldn't use Superglue as it may not only be toxic, it could also burn the inside of your mouth!

 

There is a product call 'Refit' which I have used, it's available from some chemists but none of the large chains stock it, at least not in my area, but can sometimes be found in smaller independent chemists. Failing that, it's available online, as it happens I've just ordered some yesterday. Don't think I'm allowed to post a link here but you can ask your local chemist or do a search. The product is made especially for cementing lost crowns and suchlike and costs around £4. Not cheap but it has 3 capsules of the powder you mix with water.

 

Hope you find it and it helps!

 

Thanks egmatic I Will have to look up about Refit! Will be lovely if it works as a long term solution .

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A big thanks to every one contributing to this thread and all your ideas and suggestions!

 

Just hope things work out for my OH and we can sort something out

 

.It is terrible so many people now dont have access to decent NHS dentists even if they can scrape any money to pay for them and that dental charges so scary for people in fianciel difficulties xx

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Hiya, I know you asked what others thought about your OH's plan with the glue, and i have to say i

 

have tried all sorts in the past, between all us, ive tried the super glue thing myself ,(dont tell him) it's

 

dangerous and a rubbish idea, (I had major soft tissue probs, you can tell him that)

 

others caggers have warned you , it wont work. Being genuinely caught in the too poor to pay but

 

not rich enough to manage is awful when your in pain. Have you tried your local university that train

 

dentists. It's a highly specialisted course and they'd be supervised while treating someone. Lets face it,

 

your not asking for root canal treatment. Someone may be more knowledgable than me in this field

 

may give you better advice, but at end of day, all advice is re:- temp measures, eventually something is

 

going to have to be done. A lot of dentists see it as cosmetic ( which it is, until theres a prob, and

 

your left with a ground down tooth and a nerve bearing root) I hope you get him sorted, OH's in pain

 

can really affected your mental wellbeing after a while, it may possibly be good murder defence, but obviously the crimnal experts would have to advise you futher:lol:

Claire x

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Don't do superglue. :oops: I've got a crown held in by something called "ToofyPegs" (you can get it on Amazon), and it's been there for months despite being at the front of my mouth. Nothing seems to budge it. It costs about 4 or 5 quid, and it will save your hubby having to explain to A&E how come he's glued his teeth to his cheek. :oops:

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Thankyou for suggestion LaughingGirl!

 

I found Toofypeg on Amazon and have just ordered some.

 

It did have a lot of good reviews on Amazon as well ! So i told my hubby about your good experiences of it and he has agreed to try some :-) Thank goodness!

 

So now fingers crossed that he has the same success that you and numerous other reviewers on Amazon had with it!

It was very heartening and reassuring to find so many good reviews about it:-)

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A big thanks again to every one helping me on this thread !

I will keep you all updated on this thread about OH

It will be great if he sorts problem out with out him having to resort to such a drastic measure of using superglue and i was dreading having to go with him to casaulty and explaing why he had glued his teeth to cheek or even worse glued his mouth together! eek if not sucessful!:whoo:

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So far so good! Husbands loose crown miraculosly not come out so far as he being very careful with eating etc! Toofy peg cement/glue safely in cupboard for when and if needed! Luckily he doesnt get toothace with loose crown though sadly i lost several filling now!and frigtened to go to dentist in case he pulls them all out and i have to have dentures! eek but find the painkiller codis very effective when i do get any attacks of toothache! Thanks again for all your advice! Fingers crossed we will not have to use toofy pegs but at least it there for an emergency!xx

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I just thought I would add to the discussion: Something similar happened to me in 2012 so I called up an emergency dentist and they dealt with it.

 

As long as you have some sort of benefits you will qualify for free treatment.

 

If you dont then you may qualify for a fixed price treatment that isn't too expensive, not sure. Hope you got this sorted out worried sick. I have never understood why we can't just have the Dr see to ALL ailments as a vet does an animal?

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