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    • further polished WS using above suggestions and also included couple of more modifications highlighted in orange are those ok to include?   Background   1.1  The Defendant received the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) on the 06th of January 2020 following the vehicle being parked at Arla Old Dairy, South Ruislip on the 05th of December 2019.   Unfair PCN   2.1  On 19th December 2023 the Defendant sent the Claimant's solicitors a CPR request.  As shown in Exhibit 1 (pages 7-13) sent by the solicitors the signage displayed in their evidence clearly shows a £60.00 parking charge notice (which will be reduced to £30 if paid within 14 days of issue).  2.2  Yet the PCN sent by the Claimant is for a £100.00 parking charge notice (reduced to £60 if paid within 30 days of issue).   2.3        The Claimant relies on signage to create a contract.  It is unlawful for the Claimant to write that the charge is £60 on their signs and then send demands for £100.    2.4        The unlawful £100 charge is also the basis for the Claimant's Particulars of Claim.  No Locus Standi  3.1  I do not believe a contract with the landowner, that is provided following the defendant’s CPR request, gives MET Parking Services a right to bring claims in their own name. Definition of “Relevant contract” from the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4,  2 [1] means a contract Including a contract arising only when the vehicle was parked on the relevant land between the driver and a person who is-   (a) the owner or occupier of the land; or   (b) Authorised, under or by virtue of arrangements made by the owner or occupier of the land, to enter into a contract with the driver requiring the payment of parking charges in respect of the parking of the vehicle on the land. According to https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/46/section/44   For a contract to be valid, it requires a director from each company to sign and then two independent witnesses must confirm those signatures.   3.2  The Defendant requested to see such a contract in the CPR request.  The fact that no contract has been produced with the witness signatures present means the contract has not been validly executed. Therefore, there can be no contract established between MET Parking Services and the motorist. Even if “Parking in Electric Bay” could form a contract (which it cannot), it is immaterial. There is no valid contract.  Illegal Conduct – No Contract Formed   4.1 At the time of writing, the Claimant has failed to provide the following, in response to the CPR request from myself.   4.2        The legal contract between the Claimant and the landowner (which in this case is Standard Life Investments UK) to provide evidence that there is an agreement in place with landowner with the necessary authority to issue parking charge notices and to pursue payment by means of litigation.   4.3 Proof of planning permission granted for signage etc under the Town and country Planning Act 1990. Lack of planning permission is a criminal offence under this Act and no contract can be formed where criminality is involved.   4.4        I also do not believe the claimant possesses these documents.   No Keeper Liability   5.1        The defendant was not the driver at the time and date mentioned in the PCN and the claimant has not established keeper liability under schedule 4 of the PoFA 2012. In this matter, the defendant puts it to the claimant to produce strict proof as to who was driving at the time.   5.2 The claimant in their Notice To Keeper also failed to comply with PoFA 2012 Schedule 4 section 9[2][f] while mentioning “the right to recover from the keeper so much of that parking charge as remains unpaid” where they did not include statement “(if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met)”.     5.3         The claimant did not mention parking period, times on the photographs are separate from the PCN and in any case are that arrival and departure times not the parking period since their times include driving to and from the parking space as a minimum and can include extra time to allow pedestrians and other vehicles to pass in front.    Protection of Freedoms Act 2012   The notice must -   (a) specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates;  22. In the persuasive judgement K4GF167G - Premier Park Ltd v Mr Mathur - Horsham County Court – 5 January 2024 it was on this very point that the judge dismissed this claim.  5.4  A the PCN does not comply with the Act the Defendant as keeper is not liable.  No Breach of Contract   6.1       No breach of contract occurred because the PCN and contract provided as part of the defendant’s CPR request shows different post code, PCN shows HA4 0EY while contract shows HA4 0FY. According to PCN defendant parked on HA4 0EY which does not appear to be subject to the postcode covered by the contract.  6.2         The entrance sign does not mention anything about there being other terms inside the car park so does not offer a contract which makes it only an offer to treat,  Interest  7.1  It is unreasonable for the Claimant to delay litigation for  Double Recovery   7.2  The claim is littered with made-up charges.  7.3  As noted above, the Claimant's signs state a £60 charge yet their PCN is for £100.  7.4  As well as the £100 parking charge, the Claimant seeks recovery of an additional £70.  This is simply a poor attempt to circumvent the legal costs cap at small claims.  7.5 Since 2019, many County Courts have considered claims in excess of £100 to be an abuse of process leading to them being struck out ab initio. An example, in the Caernarfon Court in VCS v Davies, case No. FTQZ4W28 on 4th September 2019, District Judge Jones-Evans stated “Upon it being recorded that District Judge Jones- Evans has over a very significant period of time warned advocates (...) in many cases of this nature before this court that their claim for £60 is unenforceable in law and is an abuse of process and is nothing more than a poor attempt to go behind the decision of the Supreme Court v Beavis which inter alia decided that a figure of £160 as a global sum claimed in this case would be a penalty and not a genuine pre-estimate of loss and therefore unenforceable in law and if the practice continued, he would treat all cases as a claim for £160 and therefore a penalty and unenforceable in law it is hereby declared (…) the claim is struck out and declared to be wholly without merit and an abuse of process.”  7.6 In Claim Nos. F0DP806M and F0DP201T, District Judge Taylor echoed earlier General Judgment or Orders of District Judge Grand, stating ''It is ordered that the claim is struck out as an abuse of process. The claim contains a substantial charge additional to the parking charge which it is alleged the Defendant contracted to pay. This additional charge is not recoverabl15e under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4 nor with reference to the judgment in Parking Eye v Beavis. It is an abuse of process from the Claimant to issue a knowingly inflated claim for an additional sum which it is not entitled to recover. This order has been made by the court of its own initiative without a hearing pursuant to CPR Rule 3.3(4)) of the Civil Procedure Rules 1998...''  7.7 In the persuasive case of G4QZ465V - Excel Parking Services Ltd v Wilkinson – Bradford County Court -2 July 2020 (Exhibit 4) the judge had decided that Excel had won. However, due to Excel adding on the £60 the Judge dismissed the case.  7.8        The addition of costs not previously specified on signage are also in breach of the Consumer Rights Act 2015, Schedule 2, specifically paras 6, 10 and 14.   7.9        It is the Defendant’s position that the Claimant in this case has knowingly submitted inflated costs and thus the entire claim should be similarly struck out in accordance with Civil Procedure Rule 3.3(4).   In Conclusion   8.1        I invite the court to dismiss the claim.  Statement of Truth  I believe that the facts stated in this witness statement are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.   
    • Well the difference is that in all our other cases It was Kev who was trying to entrap the motorist so sticking two fingers up to him and daring him to try court was from a position of strength. In your case, sorry, you made a mistake so you're not in the position of strength.  I've looked on Google Maps and the signs are few & far between as per Kev's MO, but there is an entrance sign saying "Pay & Display" (and you've admitted in writing that you knew you had to pay) and the signs by the payment machines do say "Sea View Car Park" (and you've admitted in writing you paid the wrong car park ... and maybe outed yourself as the driver). Something I missed in my previous post is that the LoC is only for one ticket, not two. Sorry, but it's impossible to definitively advise what to so. Personally I'd probably gamble on Kev being a serial bottler of court and reply with a snotty letter ridiculing the signage (given you mentioned the signage in your appeal) - but it is a gamble.  
    • No! What has happened is that your pix were up-to-date: 5 hours' maximum stay and £100 PCN. The lazy solicitors have sent ancient pictures: 4 hours' maximum stay and £60 PCN. Don't let on!  Let them be hoisted by their own lazy petard in the court hearing (if they don't bottle before).
    • Thanks for all the suggestions so far I will amend original WS and send again for review.  While looking at my post at very beginning when I submitted photos of signs around the car park I noticed that it says 5 hours maximum stay while the signage sent by solicitor shows 4 hours maximum stay but mine is related to electric bay abuse not sure if this can be of any use in WS.
    • Not sure what to make of that or what it means for me, I was just about to head to my kip and it's a bit too late for legalise. When is the "expenditure occured"?  When they start spending money to write to me?  Or is this a bad thing (as "harsh" would imply)? When all is said and done, I do not have two beans to rub together, we rent our home and EVERYTHING of value has been purchased by and is in my wife's name and we are not financially linked in any way.  So at least if I can't escape my fate I can at least know that they will get sweet FA from me anyway   edit:  ah.. Sophia Harrison: Time bar decision tough on claimants WWW.SCOTTISHLEGAL.COM Time bar is a very complex area of law in Scotland relating to the period in which a claim for breach of duty can be pursued. The Scottish government...   This explains it like I am 5.  So, a good thing then because creditors clearly know they have suffered a loss the minute I stop paying them, this is why it is "harsh" (for them, not me)? Am I understanding this correctly?  
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hi, sorry no updates, been away for a few weeks.

 

Moneyclaim sent yesterday but coudnt see where to attach spreadsheet?

Does this matter? Ive issued the moneyclaim anyway.

 

Should i email the spreadsheet with my claim number to moneyclaim?

 

Hope i havent done this wrong. It cost me 250 to issue!!

 

Thanks

 

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I think you need to mark it with your claim number and send it to the bank and to Northampton (Moneyclaim address).

Jeep (The Wife & I)

Halifax joint a/c (£3800 charges + £40 interest on charges over 11 years) - paid in full 23/06/06

Halifax joint a/c new charges £1100 - LBA sent 02/08/06

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Halifax Visa (#1) Data Protection Act sent - statements arrived - £350 so far

Halifax Visa (#2) Data Protection Act sent - refunded £170

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Spoke to lady at moneyclaim today who said not to send spreadsheet to them. Advised me to wait the 14 days to see what Halifax want to do. If they require more info then i can send it to them.

 

On a side note, had a call from Halifax today asking why my account was overdrawn by £300. Told them it was due to the unlawfull charges they had taken from my account. She said "ummm.. well... can you make a payment?" Told her there was no need as im in the process of claiming them all back. She seemed satisfied with this!!

Strange people.

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Good reply....

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I WON !!!!!

 

 

Well, Im in shock!!!!

 

Just receiced letter telling me theyre paying me full amount inc all charges and interest within 5 days.Total £5200.

 

Only 1 week after moneyclaim issued!!

 

A Big thanks to all who helped with my claim, only sorry now i didnt go for the whole lot!! (Yea i know i was advised to!!)

 

So, prelim sent for the 2nd half of claim (another £3400)

 

Donation on its way as soon as funds appear in account.

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Ooh, well done you! Have been reading with great interest, brilliant to see you've had such a cracking result!

 

The fact that you've sent your prelim off for round two already made me laugh...bet they just *love* seeing your name pop up on the system now the tables are turned! :O)

 

Lucy.

Lucycat vs. Halifax 13/9 - £4496.99 - WON!

 

Lucycat vs. MBNA (Alliance & Leicester) - 16/11 - Offer of £295 received - pursuing £575.

 

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The fact that you've sent your prelim off for round two already made me laugh...bet they just *love* seeing your name pop up on the system now the tables are turned! :O)

 

Lucy.

 

 

:-) Yea, hope the money goes into account before they open prelim letter for round 2 :-)

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WTG Rob congratulations on your win I'm just starting mine with the DPA just been sent:D

01/09/2006 Data Protection Act sent

04/09/2006 Data Protection Act recieved by Halifax

28/09/2006 Called Halifax to see if they have done anything about Data Protection Act letter

17/10/2006 Non Compliance LBA sent

23/10/2006 Phone call made

24/10/2006 statements arrived

24/10/2006 prelim letter sent asking for return of £1455.87

08/11/2006 LBA sent ;) court next :p

14/11/2006 good will gesture made offered £513 now claiming £1639.95 :D

15/12/2006 Court claim number Halifax must respond by 23/01/2007

 

05/01/2007 PAID IN FULL WOOHOO

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WoooHoooo

CONGRATULATIONS

 

 

1. Don't forget the SURVEY

 

2. When you get started on claim 2, best to start a new thread ( ROB_5 v Halifax 2nd Claim) etc

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Not before you've actually received all of the money. You can settle the action through MCOL - choose the option that states something like "defendant has paid in full"

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:p Well done Rob.

 

After reading your thread I've sent in my claim via money claim today as Halifax have tried to fob me off with two offers of £40 and £78 respectively on top of this they charged me £10 for the Data Protection Act records not the normal £5 which I have claimed back.

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Fantastic mate!! Brilliant result!! I take it you'll be wasting no amount of time once you get the money in starting claim for the rest!!?? :D

BOS

Claim No.3 for £589.75+8%, Decree received, Sheriffs Officers instructed to serve a charge 21/4!

Claim No.4:- claiming £1507.00, Court Papers submitted 5/4 !

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hey well done gives me great confidence I've gone for the lot in one,so I think its going fast track so might take a little longer fingers crossed it will be over soon.regards Nigel

HALIFAX CURRENT ACCOUNT SETTLED IN FULL 9/9/06.

 

N1 form completed 05-06-07,LBA sent 14-05-07,2nd go!Prelim sent 24/04/07

 

Halifax Visa 1.Paid in full

Halifax Classic.Paid in full.

 

LBA sent 14-05-07,GMAC prelim sent 24/04/07

 

Data Protection Act for halifax mortgage 16/09/06.

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Great news Rob. Well done mate, and good luck for part 2 of your claim!!

 

A quick question for you. You mentioned earlier in your thread that you were having problems with the wording on your Moneyclaim 'online claim details'. No-one appeared to reply to your request? I'm having trouble with this myself so would appreciate any help you could offer. This is what I have added to my claim details so far....

 

I have a contract with the Halifax Plc dated XXXX and which is conducted on their standard terms and conditions. I am claiming the return of money taken by the defendant in the way of charges since the commencement of the contract plus the interest they have levied on those charges. The bank's charges are a disproportionate penalty and therefore unenforceable as they are contrary to common law. Further, as a disproportionate penalty they are invalid under the Unfair (Contracts) Terms Act 1977 s.4 and under the Unfair Terms in Consumer Contracts Regulations 1999. Para.8 and sch.2(1)(e). In the event that the charges are not a penalty then they are unreasonable within the meaning of the Supply of Goods and Services Act 1982 s.15.

I have repeatedly asked the bank to justify their charges but they have declined to do so.

 

Furthermore, I claim interest under section 69 of the County Courts Act 1984 at the rate of 8% a year from 30th November 1999 to 4th September 2006 of £168.18 and also interest at the same rate up to the date of judgment or earlier payment at a daily rate of {enter the daily rate of interest}.

 

I'm not sure when I first opened my account and when the contract started. My claim is for £606.09 plus interest charges of £168.18, total £774.27

Do I have to specify the amount of the claim in the text above, just like the interest is included in the s.69 text? Finally, how do I know what the daily rate of interest is up to the date of judgement, when I don't know when the date of judgement is going to be?

 

Am I just thick. or very confused?

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31/07/06 - PL sent to Halifax to claim back £606.09

04/09/06 - Claim for £854.40 issued against Halifax.

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great news! when I reached moneyclaim stage, I used the link tinkerbelle and others showed me, I think it is in faq's step-by-step instructions, and you can just paste the info, it is called Particulars of Claim, adjusting the figures, ac no etc to suit your own case.

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well done rob, i'll be sending my LBA off this week and your thread gives me real hope

 

enjoy the money and good luck with your next one

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Brad v Halifax

22/08/06 - Preliminary Letter sent requesting full repayment of charges

06/09/06 - LBA sent to bank

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Thanks all, good luck with all your claims.

 

Srray - I didnt put the figures in the wording, (it lists them underneath anyway).

Your wording looks ok to me - at the end add "at a daily rate of £0.06"

 

Rob

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