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    • pdf's merged and properly named. thread title updated. word fine replaced by charge in post one....they are not fines mere speculative invoices. just type no need to keep hitting quote.   dx  
    • Nice work dx, much what I thought and glad to have it confirmed by the expert. Radio silence remains my game plan, I have been resident in Scotland since birth and although I had moved a couple of years prior to defaulting, all addresses were updated and I am confident all begging letters are coming to my current home address. I appreciate the info that they probably wouldn't get a claim in by Aug anyway - I think I'll hunt out my big box of badness in the next few days just to see if I can find any default notice letters so I can pin down some dates to satisfy my semi-OCD. Much obliged, and unlike some others i will look to update in the future as I certainly intend to send them the SB letter as I like to pull the chains of these types of cretins! Of course i'll be back to confirm the correct procedure if I get any "proper" legal letters other than the usual Overdales toilet paper type of scare tactic.  
    • statute barring in Scotland is 5yrs from last payment/use date or date of default Notice + 14 days, whichever is the later. dont confuse that with the 6yrs debts show on credit files (DN's 6th bday regardless to payment or not). they'd never get a claim raised by august in 99% of cases . as long all these debts were taken out whilst resident in scotland and you have not moved since taking them out but failed to inform the original creditor before the debt sale....... then stay radio silent until sb date is reached. then if you wish send our scottish sb letter. just remember unlike E&W in scotland debts are extinguished, dead , gone , parrot. once SB'd dx  
    • Hi all, Love this site and it's no nonsense advice, have dipped in and out of the consumer forums over the years, mostly to assure myself that what I was doing was the right thing when dealing with various businesses (almost 100% success rate, thanks in part to reading and more reading here.). Anyway, the time is almost approaching where I might need to ask for some specific help and I have a couple of queries that I can't see definitively answered. Due to financial mismanagement and severe anxiety issues I stopped paying all unsecured debt in December 2018 (one slipped to the first week in Jan 2019 when the last payment was made having rechecked my bank statement from that period - all my unsecured debt direct debits were cancelled in early Jan 2019). This has left half a dozen debts;  a couple of credit cards, a bank loan, Shop Direct and some Hitachi Finance stuff having been sold on and passing the rounds through the usual suspects, Lowells, Link, PRA Group, others related to them, and then back to them again. I have somehow successfully managed to maintain radio silence and avoided anything more worrying than their begging letters.  I have blocked their phone calls and texts, bumped all emails to the spambox and had a chuckle at their desperate letters.  I've never had anybody at the door.  I have been at the same address since before I defaulted and all correspondence comes to my current home address.  I have NEVER contacted them or admitted any debt. In anticipation of them perhaps ramping up action at the last minute I've had a look at my credit report on Credit Karma (rec'd from this very place) and I see that the default dates on these range from May 2019 to November 2019. Also in preperation I've been reading, reading and reading lots here as advised. Obviously being in Scotland there are a lot fewer posts relating to these matters and it's always quite annoying when OP's do not follow up with any outcome on their cases - how rude! This has also left me a bit confused of when I am able to finally breathe easy (although cancelling all the direct debits in Jan 2019 was the biggest sigh of relief as I knew it was all going to be unmanageable and, well, default one, default all.). I've been reading that defaults should be filed 3-6 months after the missed payment but one of my larger debts was defaulted on 27th August 2019 when the last payment I made was 10th December 2018, meaning the first missed payment was 10th Jan 2019.   My query for now is - when should I infer that these debts are prescribed?  From when the payment was missed, or taking the default date plus 5 years from the credit report? The three I have with the May date are moot anyway as either way they are gone  - some letters from Lowell offering me 90% off to settle is what got me thinking these must have been near SB status, however I have one big 10k+ with a July date and another 10k+ at the end of August I am feeling a bit anxious again, even though I know there is nothing to worry about with the begging letters.  Reading the various forums I am not sure why the OC's didn't take action against me when I read time and again the surprise that other posters haven't already been taken to court for lesser amounts - I'm also surprised I've avoided any action this long as there are plenty in this forum and sub forum who are whisked off to the court by the beggers minions after only a year or so after defaulting.  There are no CCJ/decrees listed on my credit report and I have not received any such judgements against me.  I still just regularly receive the begging emails to the spambox, the blocked phone calls and the letters from the they. I'm also reading that there is no need in Scotland to send an LBC so what should I be looking out for to know that the time has come to engage with CCA requests etc? I'm afraid in a fit I threw a lot of the paperwork out but I have a box of stuff I'm going to go through which may have the original letters from the OC's. Thanks in advance for any advice.  
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I took advise on an RBS application/credit agreement form which I was informed was unenforceable. However someone else posted an identical form on this site and was advised by trading standards it was definitely enforceable in court. My application form did have a credit limit on it, plus my signature and a squiggle from someone at RBS.

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....... I hope by being around all of you on this forum i would get the nerve to challenge these organisations on my own steam - but right now i just couldn't deal with it.

Hi RubyRose

 

I'm a fairly recent newcomer to CAG (3 months or so), but since joining the help and advice has been far better than that which I received from other sources. So far I have CCA'd 5 accounts (2x Link - MBNA, 2x 1stCredit - Citi, and Fredricksons - HSBC) and all of these have failed to supply an agreement. All 5 alleged debts are now in default (limbo) and I have not made any payments to them for the last 3 months.

 

I am not advocating avoidance of responsibilities to your debts, but why carry on paying them if the creditors have not fulfilled their legal obligations to you, and by continuing to do so you are causing further difficulties for yourself?

 

Just a suggestion, but why don't you try putting a toe into the water, so to speak, by CCA'ing just one of your creditors and see what results you get?

 

Perhaps you could start a thread and post a list of your creditors and ask for advice on which ones are most likely not to have legitimate agreements in force. If you do this it might be worth giving the approximate dates on which the accounts were opened as this may have some bearing on the likelihood of a particular creditor failing to possess an agreement.

 

If you do as suggested you may be pleasantly surprised and your confidence will be given a boost.

 

I personally felt better as soon as I had sent my first CCA requests off, just knowing that I was fighting back against the unscrupulous DCAs.

 

Good luck :)

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Thanks Rob i will think about it.

 

Ruby

If you decide to start a thread on this (probably this forum general-debt would be the one), maybe you could post a link so that we could follow and people could offer further advice :)

 

Rob

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It works - believe me - and you don't need to use a company to do it for you.

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LTSB Bus Acct £1650 charges w/o against o/s balance - WON

 

Halifax Pers Acct £1650 charges taken from benefits - WON

 

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GE Money sec loan - £1900 in charges - settlement agreed

GE Money sec loan - ERC of £2.5K valid for 15 years - on standby

FirstPlus - missold PPI of £20K for friends - WON

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Rob and Goldlady i wish i looked at CAG more and used the advice given here. Except i am going through a lot of difficulty and just feel i could do without the additional stress. The one thing that puzzles me and baffles me is how does wiping out ones credit card debt impact on their credit rating. This really scares me and i feel a professional needs to deal with that aspect or advise ob it.

 

I am just so scared.:oops:

 

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Ruby you will end up with default notices on your credit file - which stay there for six years. I already had them so it made no difference whatsoever when I stopped paying altogether. Interestingly I have just remortgaged and the lender paid no attention to the defaults as they were all for unsecured debts. OK I couldn't walk into a high street bank and get a mortgage but it does not have any real impact on your life - apart from meaning you aren't struggling to pay card debts anymore.

 

You are not doing anything wrong - they are in the wrong if they haven't done their paperwork properly (or in my case not even kept a copy).

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LTSB Bus Acct £1650 charges w/o against o/s balance - WON

 

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GE Money sec loan - £1900 in charges - settlement agreed

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FirstPlus - missold PPI of £20K for friends - WON

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Goldlady my understanding is that once you have entered into a dispute with the credit card company then they are not to enter anything detrimental on your credit file until the situation is resolved. This is according to the banking code of practice which i found on the site and downloaded and read through. Everything i read and the more time i spend on the site is making me stronger and i might just start challenging one of my credit cards.

 

thanks once again for encouraging me.

Ruby:)

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Probably different in my case as I had already defaulted:D. I know there are several people who have gone through the courts to get defaults removed, and it seems logical that they can't default you when the account is in dispute. As I am not too worried about my defaults I have not pursued the matter (yet) as I seem to have lots of other things going on still. Getting them all off my back was a major relief.

 

And beware - CAG is addictive;)

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This is VERY good news.

 

BBC News Player - Credit card debts wiped

 

 

have a look.

 

It is potentially very good news if we can get details of the judgement, however as yet I cannot find reference to this case on any of the court sites. I have emailed the couple to ask for a court reference number to get a copy of the judgement. So far, they haven't responded, perhaps not surprising as they have set up a site to charge people for doing this for them.

 

As it stands, we can't put in court papers that we saw a couple on the news, so we shouldn't pay, we will need the details for this to be any use.

 

I suspect they just do what we already do in challenging agreements etc, but if the Court of Appeal really has ruled on this, we need those details!!

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I suspect they just do what we already do in challenging agreements etc, but if the Court of Appeal really has ruled on this, we need those details!!

 

This could be quite valueable, lets hope some of the moderators are on the look out for this

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Are you sure that they are not just using the Wilson case?

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FirstPlus - missold PPI of £20K for friends - WON

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somebody should ring Andrew Pritchard from CAB Rugeley and ask for the details of the appeal case

 

Rugeley Citizens Advice Bureau

7 Brook Square

Tel: 01889 577042

Fax: 01889 586126

 

I can't as I live in the USA

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Rob and Goldlady i wish i looked at CAG more and used the advice given here. I wish I had found CAG earlier than I did as I missed the chance to defend a court action because of not knowing what to do. Except i am going through a lot of difficulty and just feel i could do without the additional stress. In my case, acting upon the advice given here has relieved a lot of the stress and made me more proactive. The one thing that puzzles me and baffles me is how does wiping out ones credit card debt impact on their credit rating. This really scares me That used to worry me, but not any longer and i feel a professional needs to deal with that aspect or advise ob it. I sought professional advice, and in my opinion it was useless. Unless you are very lucky and manage to speak to someone who is clued up on consumer law, you are IMHO better off taking the advice given by some of the more knowledgeable people here (I do not put myself in that category, but I think I'm learning).

 

I am just so scared.:oops: I guess it can be a bit scary (to start with), but in my experience so far that feeling soon goes! :D

 

Ruby

 

Goldlady my understanding is that once you have entered into a dispute with the credit card company then they are not to enter anything detrimental on your credit file until the situation is resolved. This is according to the banking code of practice which i found on the site and downloaded and read through. Some of the companies appear to be a law unto themselves regarding procedures, but with help from CAG you will be able to fight back. Everything i read and the more time i spend on the site is making me stronger and i might just start challenging one of my credit cards. Keep reading.... and go for it! ;)

 

thanks once again for encouraging me.

Ruby:)

 

Wishing you well in your decision to start taking control Ruby!

 

Rob

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Just as a follow up to the (edit) site that challenged the 6 Credit Card companies wiping out their debts and getting a court ruling in the process.

 

See the link from Midlands Today

 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/player/nol/newsid_7190000/newsid_7195100/7195126.stm?bw=bb&mp=wm&news=1&bbcws=1

 

Here are further details for people who dont have the belief that they can carry the process against the Lenders through to court.

 

 

 

 

 

The Consumer Credit Act

 

This is a very basic explanation as to why upto 75% of all credit card agreements are legally unrecoverable.

 

 

Below is an example of the print format a correct agreement should look like.

 

 

x y z

 

 

 

 

 

Below is how all the unenforceable agreements look, the difference is the xyz are in capitals not lower case and this would be a breach of the law.

X Y Z

 

 

 

The Court Case

 

We made a court claim against a lender stating that 50% of all of their agreements were improperly executed because they do not state xyz, but instead they state ABC. The lender claimed that as 50% of their agreements stated different letters the regulations do not apply, the court agreed with them.

 

A B C

 

Based on the Court of Appeal ruling which confirms what the regulations state, then any agreement that does not state xyz in lower case is improperly executed which is about 75% of all credit card agreements and it could be one or all of yours.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Does your Credit Card Agreement have the X-Factor?

We took our lender to court because we said the agreement was unenforceable because of a, b and c. The lender won the case because they proved that the agreement was enforceable because it did not contain X, the X-Factor we will call it. Based on our knowledge of other agreements we know that the majority of them, up to 75% do contain the X-Factor and are therefore unenforceable. It is not us that have made the other agreements unenforceable, it is the lender, a Court Recorder QC, a Rt. Hon Sir and a Lord Justice of the Court of Appeal who agreed with them. We are only using the lenders legal points that were used against us, if we are wrong then the lender and 3 judges are also wrong, so take it up with them. All we are doing is making use of what we have been told is the law.

Test Case already Won

Our case was the first of its kind and is now the leading case and sets a precedent as to how any lower court should treat enforcement of a credit card agreement that is improperly executed.

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Well that's a new one on me. A secret judgement. :confused::confused:

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This credit card killer is very interesting (and tempting, I will wait a bit longer before signing up lol)

 

Can it not be too long before this gets in the media big time, it would be explosive, it would be the next best thing after the unfair bank charges. It would certainly deter the DCA's from purchasing these unenforceable debts and give us a break.

 

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