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    • Here is my final draft: I, XXXXXX, being the Defendant in this case will state as follows; I make this Witness Statement in support of my defence in the claim and further to my set aside application dated 1 November 2022. The claimants witness statement confirms that it mostly relies on hearsay evidence as confirmed by the drafts in person in the opening paragraph. It is my understanding they must serve notice to any hearsay evidence pursuant to CPR 33.2(1)(B) (notice of intention to rely on hearsay evidence) and Section 2 (1) (A) of the Civil Evidence Act.   1.        The claimant failed to comply with the additional directions ordered by District Judge Davis on the 2 February 2024 'The Claim shall be automatically struck out at 4pm on 3 April 2024 unless the Claimant delivers to the Court and to the Defendant the following documents.' 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The Claimant failed to carry out such basic checks. Subsequently all letters prior to and including ,The Pre action Protocol letter of claim dated 7 January 2020 and the claim form dated 14th February 2020 were all served to a previous address which I moved out of in 2018.   5.        I became aware of original Judgement following a routine credit check on or around 14th September 2020.   6.        Upon the discovery of the Judgement debt, I made immediate contact with the Court and the Claimant Solicitors, putting them on notice that I was making investigations in relation to the Judgement debt as it was not familiar to me.  I asked them to provide me with a copy of the original loan agreement but this was not provided to me.   The correspondence to the Claimant Solicotors is attached and marked ‘Appendix 3’   7.        I then sent a Data Subject Access Request to Barclays but no agreement was provided. Details the timeline of communication between myself and Barclays are attached and marked ‘Appendix 4’and the copies of correspondence between myself and Barclays are attached and marked ‘Appendix 5’.   8.        The claimant relies upon and exhibits a reconstituted version of the alleged agreement.   It is again denied that I have ever entered into an agreement with Barclaycard on or around 2000.  It is admitted that I did hold other credit agreements with other creditors and as such should this be a debt that was assigned to Barclaycard from another brand therefore the reconstituted agreement disclosed is invalid being pre April 2007 and not legally enforceable pursuant to HH Judge Waksman in Carey v HSBC 2009 EWHC3417.  Details of this are attached and marked ‘Appendix 6’.   The original credit agreement must be provided along with any reconstituted version on a modified credit agreement and must contain the names and address of debtor and creditor, agreement number and cancelation clause.   9.        Therefore the claimant is put to strict proof to disclose a true executed legible agreement on which its claim relies upon and not try to mislead the court.   10.   As per CPR 1.4(2)(a) the court encourages parties to cooperate with each other in the conduct of proceedings in order to try and save time and costs for the parties and to also save the time and resources of the court however, despite vast attempts at mediation the claimants have been most unreasonable and have remained unwilling to mediate. Until such time the claimant can comply and disclose a true executed copy of the original assigned agreement they refer to within the particulars of this claim they are not entitled while the default continues, to enforce the agreement pursuant to section 78.6 (a) of the Credit Consumer Act 1974. I believe that the facts stated in this Witness Statement are true.  I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth. Signed                 ………………………………………………….. Name                  XXXX Date                     30 April 2024
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    • Hi folks, I've just found previous documentation. I thought it had gone missing. I'd forgotten that I did appeal it through POPLA but I can't find the thread on here that, I assume, I posted for help. Appeal letter is dated 27/10/2020 with a rejection. I genuinely had forgotten about this so apologies for misleading you. A lot has happened in the years since the ticket was issued. We closed down a couple of businesses and moved to the opposite end of the country to retire. The documents I have are scanned copies. I no longer have the originals. If there's anything you'd like to see, please let me know and I'll post them, although it probably won't be until tomorrow now, but I'll be looking in on this page tonight. Thank you for the responses so far :)
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I want to reclaim charges paid on my current account but am worried because my mortgage is also with RBOS and i would like to borrow money later in the year for work on the house.

 

Has anyone got experience of RBOS retaliating after a successful claim?

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totally different account. i had current account with rbos and a loan with them. claimed back charges from current account, didn't effect my loan with them even though it was in arrears with them at the time.

rbos prem letter sent 25th aug 06

give me 10 more days letter received 2nd sept 06

lba sent 7th sept 06

settled in full 7/10/2006

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I sent prelim letter with schedule of charges up to 28th Feb 2007. They have added more charges on March statement.

 

Can I update the schedule for the LBA or should I stick with the original schedule.

 

All comments appreciated.

 

FC

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Since I sent the prelim letter and schedule the bank have added more charges. Can I send an updated schedule with the LBA or should i stick with the original schedule?

 

Any advice please?

 

FC

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Probably best to start a new claim once this one has been successful.

If my post has been useful, tip my scales and let me know

 

Always start with the User guide!

Stuck with RBS charges? Click here!!

 

RBS CA1 £2794 SETTLED!!! RBS CA2 £503 SETTLED!!! HBOS CC £498 SETTLED!!! Barclaycard £705 (with CCI) ONGOING!!! NATWEST CA ONGOING!!! LLOYDS CA x 2, CC, LOAN ONGOING!!! HFC LOAN ONGOING!!!

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why dont you phone them to see if they will take the charge off? that happened to me, i phoned Abbey and they took it off, but i was only overdrawn by a few pounds and when i phoned them, they happily took it off as long as i put the few pounds back in within 24 hrs.

dont know if it i'll work but its worth a try.

mabey even when you send your LBA you can add it in then?

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No response to LBA so issued NI at my local court today.

 

I attached a schedule of charges and interest using the spreadsheet in the templates library. I have only claimed the 8% S.69 interest. However, the court staff were querying the schedule and said that the judge would have to decide if it was ok. They seemed to be very unsure about the way it was set out i.e. multiple figures.

 

Has anyone had similar experience or is it just my local court not being used to this type of claim.

 

All comments helpfull

 

FC

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Received 'Acknowledgement of Service' from Cobbetts today. Seems likely they will go down their std defence route.

 

I await their defence and request for further information!

 

FC

Barclaycard: SETTLED AFTER LBA

Barclays 1: AT COURT

Barclays 2: WITH FOS

Capital One: SETTLED AFTER N1

Egg: SETTLED AFTER LBA

HFC: S.A.R - (Subject Access Request)

Lloyds TSB: S.A.R - (Subject Access Request) - WITH Information Commissioners Office

RBS: AT COURT

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I thought I would post the Cobbetts defence to see if it differs from earlier versions. My POC was from the templates library for an N1. Schedules were sent at every stage.

 

 

 

DEFENCE

 

1. This defence is filed and served without prejudice to the Defendant's case that the POC do not disclose reasonable grounds for bringing a claim against the Defendant to recover the bank charges (and interest thereon) referred to in the POC or any other sum(s). In the event that the claim is not properly particularised then the Defendant will apply to strike out the claim and/or for summary judgement in respect of the same.

 

2. On allocation the Defendant invites the court to direct that there be a case management conference in order for the court to consider the making of appropriate orders to give the Claimant the opportunity to properly particularise the claim.

 

3. No admissions are made as to what charges have been debited to the Claimant’s bank account.

 

4. In relation to the allegation that the contractual provisions pursuant to which the charges have been applied are unenforceable by virtue of the Unfair Contract Terms Act 1977 (“UCTA 1977”) and/or the Unfair Terms in Consumer Contracts Regulations 1999 (“the Regulations”) and/or the common law, the Claimant is required to identify:

 

4.1 (a) the section(s) of the UCTA 1977; (b) the regulations of the UTCCR 1999 (“the Regulations”); and © the principles of common law relied upon by the Claimant in alleging that the contractual provision(s) referred to are unenforceable; and

 

4.2 the contractual provision(s) that the Claimant allege are invalid by reference to UCTA 1977 and/or the Regulations.

 

Until such time as these sections/regulations/provisions are identified the Defendant cannot (save as appears below) plead to the allegation referred to in paragraph 4 above. The Defendant therefore reserves its right to plead further to the allegation once (and if) the Claimant identifies the relevant contractual information.

 

 

5. In relation to the case of the Claimant that the charges must be reasonable within the meaning of section 15 of the Supply of Goods and Services Act 1982 (“SGSA”) the Defendant pleads as follows:

 

5.1 The Claimant is required to plead and prove the necessary factors (referred to in section 15 SGSA) concerning the contract between the Claimant and the Defendant which mean that pursuant to SGSA section 15 there is an implied term that the Claimant pay a reasonable charge for the service under the contract.

 

5.2 Further, the Claimant is required to plead and prove (a) that the bank charges which have been debited are unreasonable; (b) all facts and matters relied upon by the Claimant in support of this case and © what charges would have been reasonable.

 

5.3 In the circumstances no grounds are disclosed for a claim that the Defendant has acted in breach of SGSA section 15.

 

5.4 In the circumstances (save as appears below) the Defendant is unable to plead to this allegation beyond denying that it has acted in breach of SGSA section 15 as alleged or at all. The Defendant reserves its right to plead further to this allegation once (and if) the defects in the pleaded case referred to in paragraphs 5.1-5.3 above are addressed.

 

5.5 It is the case of the Defendant that the contract between the Claimant and the Defendant does not fall within SGSA section 15 because (a) the consideration for the service would be determined by the contract between the Claimant and the Defendant and (b) was not left to be determined in a manner agreed by the contract or determined by the course of dealings between the Claimant and the Defendant.

 

6. The Claimant’s claim for costs not being sufficiently particularised, the Defendant is unable to plead and reserves the right to plead upon further particulars.

 

7. Save as hereinbefore appears the Defendant joins issue with the Claimant on the claim(s) and denies that it is liable to the Claimant as alleged or at all.

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All comments wellcomed.

If anyone sees any potential problems please let me know.

 

FC

Barclaycard: SETTLED AFTER LBA

Barclays 1: AT COURT

Barclays 2: WITH FOS

Capital One: SETTLED AFTER N1

Egg: SETTLED AFTER LBA

HFC: S.A.R - (Subject Access Request)

Lloyds TSB: S.A.R - (Subject Access Request) - WITH Information Commissioners Office

RBS: AT COURT

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BUMP

 

Any advice on this defence?

 

Any words of wisdom?

 

Any points I should be wary of?

 

 

All comments wellcomed.

 

FC

Barclaycard: SETTLED AFTER LBA

Barclays 1: AT COURT

Barclays 2: WITH FOS

Capital One: SETTLED AFTER N1

Egg: SETTLED AFTER LBA

HFC: S.A.R - (Subject Access Request)

Lloyds TSB: S.A.R - (Subject Access Request) - WITH Information Commissioners Office

RBS: AT COURT

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just a quick thought - but for section 5.2 wouldn't the report on Australian bank charge sizes and levels be appropriate for you (as evidence to your case)?

 

For sure I posted a copy on my thread, Atlantic vs RBoS - but I know of at least two other threads with it.

 

You're quite a bit more advanced than me....... so I've got a lot more 2 learn (and read)....... i really hope you get everything back now....

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Thanks Atlantic, I have downloaded the Australian report and am busy wading through it.

 

I received my AQ (N149) from the court today with a return date of 18 June. I have used the PDF format from the HMCS website and attached seperate sheets for section G - other information and for the draft order for directions.

 

All relevant info available on :

 

http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/general/53570-new-strategy-allocation-questionnaires.html

 

FC

Barclaycard: SETTLED AFTER LBA

Barclays 1: AT COURT

Barclays 2: WITH FOS

Capital One: SETTLED AFTER N1

Egg: SETTLED AFTER LBA

HFC: S.A.R - (Subject Access Request)

Lloyds TSB: S.A.R - (Subject Access Request) - WITH Information Commissioners Office

RBS: AT COURT

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good luck to you.......

 

from what i read there is some truly brilliant stuff in the australian report, which is relevant to what we are up to..... and most importantly it constitutes a "serious" recognized industry/ regulatory report - not some speculative media article which i think it's fairly obvious now that judges don't like (media stuff as evidence).......

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Got my AQ through and filed at court on 06 June with the draft order for directions from the library. Cobbetts have until 18 June to file theirs.

 

Yesterday received offer from Sandy Watt for full amount of charges only. Sent back rejection letter 5 from the templates library adding the full amount of charges + interest + court costs should she wish to settle in full.

 

I await further developments!

 

FC

Barclaycard: SETTLED AFTER LBA

Barclays 1: AT COURT

Barclays 2: WITH FOS

Capital One: SETTLED AFTER N1

Egg: SETTLED AFTER LBA

HFC: S.A.R - (Subject Access Request)

Lloyds TSB: S.A.R - (Subject Access Request) - WITH Information Commissioners Office

RBS: AT COURT

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Atlantic

 

Its not about 'bottle' its about individual circumstances and yours are different to mine. You chose what was right for you and good luck to you.

 

Received Cobbett's AQ yesterday. Nothing of any significance in it. Just the same old " claim not fully particularised, Claimant has no grounds to bring a claim".

 

We'll see about that mateys!!

 

FC

Barclaycard: SETTLED AFTER LBA

Barclays 1: AT COURT

Barclays 2: WITH FOS

Capital One: SETTLED AFTER N1

Egg: SETTLED AFTER LBA

HFC: S.A.R - (Subject Access Request)

Lloyds TSB: S.A.R - (Subject Access Request) - WITH Information Commissioners Office

RBS: AT COURT

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Hi All

 

Recd court date today for early August. I will leave it a few days then contact cobbetts for settlement talks.

 

Will keep you informed !

 

FC

Barclaycard: SETTLED AFTER LBA

Barclays 1: AT COURT

Barclays 2: WITH FOS

Capital One: SETTLED AFTER N1

Egg: SETTLED AFTER LBA

HFC: S.A.R - (Subject Access Request)

Lloyds TSB: S.A.R - (Subject Access Request) - WITH Information Commissioners Office

RBS: AT COURT

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Hiya Mate,

 

Me I wouldn't contact Cobbetts I'd stay stum for a bit if you contact them and talk about settlement they will think that you are ready to give in, let them contact you first, then you talk about settlement, mind you its your decision, you are the one to finally make the decisions

 

Keep going mate I know its hard believe me.

 

sparkie

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Hi FC...

 

I know I'm nowhere near as experienced as sparkie or many of the others on these threads who've taken their claims all the way through the court systems.... but for what it's worth I reckon sparkie's totally right in what he said - don't be the first to contact Cobbetts yet...... and wait for a bit nearer the court date.

 

Only from what I've seen they really are too scared to walk into that court room and will offer full settlement on your terms at last minute. I might be wrong, but from what I've seen doubt it!! ....so hand on in there for a bit more.....

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Thanks all for the support.

 

I don't mind waiting for Cobbetts to contact me. My bundle is completed and I have lived in a court room for the last ten years (albeit a criminal court) so am very familiar with the setting and the procedures.

 

I suppose I'm fortunate in that I understand how quirky judges can be and I would always expect the unexpected so I aim to go in prepared.

 

Watch this space!

 

FC

Barclaycard: SETTLED AFTER LBA

Barclays 1: AT COURT

Barclays 2: WITH FOS

Capital One: SETTLED AFTER N1

Egg: SETTLED AFTER LBA

HFC: S.A.R - (Subject Access Request)

Lloyds TSB: S.A.R - (Subject Access Request) - WITH Information Commissioners Office

RBS: AT COURT

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No response from either RBS or Cobbetts.

 

Bundle goes in tomorrow.

 

Court date early August (Judge has only allocated 5 mins. He is fed up with banks settling at last minute).

 

Wasted costs order I think!!

 

FC

Barclaycard: SETTLED AFTER LBA

Barclays 1: AT COURT

Barclays 2: WITH FOS

Capital One: SETTLED AFTER N1

Egg: SETTLED AFTER LBA

HFC: S.A.R - (Subject Access Request)

Lloyds TSB: S.A.R - (Subject Access Request) - WITH Information Commissioners Office

RBS: AT COURT

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