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    • "We suffer more in imagination than in reality" - really pleased this all happened. Settled by TO, full amount save as to costs and without interest claimed. I consider this a success but feel free to move this thread to wherever it's appropriate. I say it's a success because when I started this journey I was in a position of looking to pay interest on all these accounts, allowing them to default stopped that and so even though I am paying the full amount, it is without a doubt reduced from my position 3 years ago and I feel knowing this outcome was possible, happy to gotten this far, defended myself in person and left with a loan with terms I could only dream of, written into law as interest free! I will make better decisions in the future on other accounts, knowing key stages of this whole process. We had the opportunity to speak in court, Judge (feels like just before a ruling) was clear in such that he 'had all the relevant paperwork to make a judgement'. He wasn't pleased I hadn't settled before Court.. but then stated due to WS and verbal arguments on why I haven't settled, from my WS conclusion as follows: "11. The Defendant was not given ample evidence to prove the debt and therefore was not required to enter settlement negotiations. Should the debt be proved in the future, the Defendant is willing to enter such negotiations with the Claimant. "  He offered to stand down the case to give us chance to settle and that that was for my benefit specifically - their Sols didn't want to, he asked me whether I wanted to proceed to judgement or be given the opportunity to settle. Naturally, I snapped his hand off and we entered negotiations (took about 45 minutes). He added I should get legal advice for matters such as these. They were unwilling to agree to a TO unless it was full amount claimed, plus costs, plus interest. Which I rejected as I felt that was unfair in light of the circumstances and the judges comments, I then countered with full amount minus all costs and interest over 84 months. They accepted that. I believe the Judge wouldn't have been happy if they didn't accept a payment plan for the full amount, at this late stage. The judge was very impressed by my articulate defence and WS (Thanks CAG!) he respected that I was wiling to engage with the process but commented only I  can know whether this debt is mine, but stated that Civil cases were based on balance of probabilities, not without shadow of a doubt, and all he needs to determine is whether the account existed. Verbal arguments aside; he has enough evidence in paperwork for that. He clarified that a copy of a DN and NOA is sufficient proof based on balance of probabilities that they were served. I still disagree, but hey, I'm just me.. It's definitely not strict proof as basically I have to prove the negative (I didn't receive them/they were not served), which is impossible. Overall, a great result I think! BT  
    • Seeking further advice now. The 33 days in which the defendant has to submit a defence expires at 16:00 tomorrow. The defendant has submitted an acknowledgement of service but looking to get the claim awarded by default in failure to submit the defence. This is MoneyClaim Online and can see an option to request a default judgement but believe that is for failure to acknowledge the claim within 14 days??  So being MoneyClaim Online, how do I request the claim be awarded in my favour?
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Hello everyone,

I've just sent a Letter Before Action to LloydsTSB, asking for my £3471 in charges and £519.31 in interest back.

 

And I'm justing starting a thread to say thank you to everyone here for sharing your experiences, for your advice, and for just generally letting people know that they're not alone, and that now we've all got together, the banks can't bully us any more.

 

I haven't heard anything back from lloyds as yet, but am just proceeding, according to my own timetable and the great advice available on this site. Hopefully, I should have my money back within a month or so then!

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Thank you Barty.

Just to tell everyone, I got a surprisingly nice letter from Lloyds this morning. No cheque with it, of course, but it does say that they're "sorry that you feel you have cause to complain", that they "carry on with our investigation using the information you've already provided" and that they "expect our enquiries to be completed within the next two weeks" and "hope we can sort things out for you". Of course, they've only got two weeks before I take them to court anyway, so they'd better hope their enquiries into the matter are resolved by then! Otherwise, I reckon they're only going to have to fork out the extra 8% interest as well.

I'll keep you posted.

Good luck everyone who's involved in the same fight

-Lozzer

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okay,

it's coming up to that time...

 

I was thinking I'd use moneyclaim online to file my claim, which is for around £4500 including interest, but I suppose I could just as easily send off an N1 form.

Does anyone have any reasons why I should use one method rather than the other that I'm not aware of?

 

thanks

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I cant stress too much Use An N1 there is very little room on the mcol form so its impossible to put any detail, I had a claim struck out for this.

Luckily after a lot of help and work by memebers of the group it was reinstated. You should also send a copy of the spreadsheet with the N1, another thing you cant do with mcol.

 

read the specimen claimsa nd FAQs and you will win

 

Good luck

John

You may think that but . . ......

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Total repaid to date £1947.58

 

Lloyds Currrent a/c £745.27

Moneyclaim filed 17th June

Defence and AQ 25th July. Case struck out 11 Aug

reinstated and hearing 15th Jan 2007

 

Lloyds loan a/c D A request expired 19th June

Proceedings under S7 Data Protection Act issued 29th June defence and counterclaim 27 July

Hearing Jan 3 2007

Listed final hearing April 2007-

Judge declared an interest and disqualified himself

new date to be set

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Many, many people have used MCOL successfully,

 

You need to follow the guidelines and send a schedule of charges to the court offices and to the solicitors at the same time you issue a claim.

 

Crustygit - I remember your post very well. You never did say what your Particulars were in order for the claim to be struck out, despite numerous requests from people who wanted to help you. Instead, you struck panic into people. I am glad you got your claim reinstated and your money back but your reluctance to put those details still leads me to believe that you did not use the standard particulars of claim which is on the site, in the first place.

 

http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/lloyds-bank/27282-case-struck-out-beware-2.html

Please note that I am not a legal expert and all advice given is without prejudice and is purely my opinion only.

 

** Nationwide - £1821.15-PAID IN FULL - Aug 06 **

** Halifax Mortgage -£390 - PAID IN FULL - Nov 06 **

Lloyds TSB - MCOL issued 09/03/07 - £2953 + costs - ON HOLD....

 

 

 

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wait, did i speak too soon...?

 

It is up to you - if you are not confident, use the N1. All I am saying is that a lot of people, thousands, have used MCOL successfully. And I was pointing out that Crustygit's reasons why not to use it was very lacking in detail as to why his was stuck out. In fact, it is the only one I have heard of being struck out in over 12mths of using this site.

Please note that I am not a legal expert and all advice given is without prejudice and is purely my opinion only.

 

** Nationwide - £1821.15-PAID IN FULL - Aug 06 **

** Halifax Mortgage -£390 - PAID IN FULL - Nov 06 **

Lloyds TSB - MCOL issued 09/03/07 - £2953 + costs - ON HOLD....

 

 

 

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Dolly, May I point out that the templates for mcol did not exist when I sumbitted my claim, however I would still advise using the N1

You may think that but . . ......

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Total repaid to date £1947.58

 

Lloyds Currrent a/c £745.27

Moneyclaim filed 17th June

Defence and AQ 25th July. Case struck out 11 Aug

reinstated and hearing 15th Jan 2007

 

Lloyds loan a/c D A request expired 19th June

Proceedings under S7 Data Protection Act issued 29th June defence and counterclaim 27 July

Hearing Jan 3 2007

Listed final hearing April 2007-

Judge declared an interest and disqualified himself

new date to be set

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  • 1 month later...

just to let you all know, everything seems to be going according to plan. Today I got notice that they filed an acknowledgement of service (just in time!) and that their solicitors are Sechiari, Clark & Mitchell.

I wonder what the defence will be...

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Ha, that's it exactly Guido T.

 

I need to start thinking about filling in my AQ about now. I see there's a new approach being taken by some people, but haven't got my head fully around it yet. A question for anyone who might know, that might make it a moot point .....

 

If I'm worried that when I was working out how much overdraft interest to claim back I might not always have counted it from exactly the right date, would I be better off sticking to the old approach?

 

apologies for my ignorance and many thanks in advance if there is anyone who knows

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I do not see how the date of your interest calculations are relevant to the New AQ Strategy. If you want to see how to adopt the New Strategy it maybe easier to follow my thread (post 91 on wards):

http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/lloyds-bank/47207-guido-t-lloyds-tsb-5.html

 

If you need the attachments I have them altogether, private message me with your email address and I will send them to you.

If I have been helpful please click on my star and add a comment.

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Thank you Guido T,

I just thought I'd read that somewhere, and I want to be competely confident that i've done everything right.

I'll have another thorough look through your thread.

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Last week I got a "General form of judgment or order' from the court, saying that Lloyds had until June 14 to file their allocation questionaire or the defence would be struck out.

 

How do I find out if they filed in time or not?

And assuming that they did, what should I be doing next?

Do i need t get in touch with the court?

 

any suggestons / reassurance greatfully received.

thx

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Ok, I rang the court this morning and no, Lloyd didn't file their AQ in time and have had their defence struck out.

Which I'm taking as very encouraging news, but I'm not really sure what to do next. The nice lady from the court said something like I can enter for a judgement, but i've forgotton exactly what it was she said.

Any suggestions?

many thanks

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Thank you, once again, Guido T.

 

But... the N225 form only has options A) - Lloyds hasn't filed a defence or admission; and B) - Lloyds admits it owes me money. Neither of these seem to quite be the case, it's more that they didn't submit an AQ. Would I still tick box A?

 

Also, would it not be a good time to try and contact the bank directly and offer them another chance to just pay up?

 

Lastly, does anyone think I'm nearly there yet, or is it likely to still be a long time before I actually see any money?

 

thanks everyone

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