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    • no i meant the email from parcel2go which email address did they send it from and who signed it off (whos name is at the bottom)
    • I understand confusion with this thread.  I tried to keep threads separate because there have been so many angles.    But a team member merged them all.  This is why it's hard to keep track. This forum exists to help little people fight injustice - however big or small.  Im here to try get a decent resolution. Not to give in to the ' big boys'. My "matter' became complicated 'matters' simply because a lender refused to sell a property. What can I say?  I'll try in a nutshell to give an overview: There's a long lease property. I originally bought it short lease with a s.146 on it from original freeholder.  I had no concerns. So lender should have been able to sell a well-maintained lovely long lease property.  The property was great. The issue is not the property.  Economy, sdlt increases, elections, brexit, covid, interest hikes etc didn't help.  The issue is simple - the lender wanted to keep it.    Before repo I offered to clear my loan.  I was a bit short and lender refused.  They said (recorded) they thought the property was worth much more and they were happy to keep accruing interest (in their benefit) until it reached a point where they felt they could repo and still easily quickly sell to get their £s back.  This was a mistake.  The market was (and is) tough.   2y later the lender ceo bid the same sum to buy the property for himself. He'd rejected higher offers in the intervening period whilst accruing interest. I had the property under offer to a fantastic niche buyer but lender rushed to repo and buyer got spooked and walked.  It had taken a long time to find such a lucrative buyer.  A sale which would have resulted in £s and another asset for me. Post repo lender had 1 offer immediately.  But dragged out the process for >1y - allegedly trying to get other offers. But disclosure shows there was only one valid buyer. Lender appointed receiver (after 4 months) - simply to try acquire the freehold.  He used his powers as receiver to use me, as leaseholder, to serve notice on freeholders.  Legally that failed. Meanwhile lender failed to secure property - and squatters got in (3 times).  And they failed to maintain it.  So freeholders served a dilapidations notice (external) - on me as leaseholder (cc-ed to lender).   (That's how it works legally) I don't own the freehold.  But I am a trustee and have to do right by the freeholders.  This is where matters got/ get complicated.  And probably lose most caggers.   Lawyers got involved for the freeholders to firstly void the receiver enfranchisement notice. Secondly, to serve the dilapidations notice.  The lack of maintenance was in breach of lease and had to be served to protect fh asset. The lender did no repairs. They said a buyer would undertake them. Which was probably correct. If they had sold. After 1y lender finally agreed to sell to the 1st offeror and contracts went with lawyers.  Within 1 month lender reneged.  Lender tried to suggest buyer walked. Evidence shows he/ his lawyers continued trying to exchange (cash) for 4 months.  Evidence shows lender and receiver strategy had been to renege and for ceo to take control.   I still think that's their plan. Lender then stupidly chose to pretty much bulldoze the property.  Other stuff was going on in the background. After repo I was in touch by phone and email and lender knew post got to me.   Despite this, after about 10 months (before and then during covid), they deliberately sent SDs and eventually a B petition to an incorrect address and an obscure small court.  They never served me properly.  (In hindsight I understand they hoped to get a backdoor B - so they could keep the property that way.)  Eventually the random court told them to email me by way of service.  At this point their ruse to make me B failed.  I got a lawyer (friend paid). The B petition was struck out. They’d failed to include the property as an asset. They were in breach of insolvency rules. Simultaneously the receiver again appointed lawyers to act on my behalf as leaseholder. This time to serve notice on the freeholders for a lease extension.  He had hoped to try and vary the strict lease. Evidence shows the already long length of lease wasn't an issue.  The lender obviously hoped to get round their lack of permission to do works (which they were already doing) by hoping to remove the strict clauses that prevent leaseholder doing alterations.   The extension created a new legal angle for me to deal with.  I had to act as trustee for freeholders against me as leaseholder/ the receiver.  Inconsistencies and incompetence by receiver lawyers dragged this out 3y.  It still isn't properly resolved.  Meanwhile - going back to the the works the lender undertook. The works were consciously in breach of lease.  The lender hadn't remedied the breaches listed in the dilapidations notice.  They destroyed the property.  The trustees compiled all evidence.  The freeholders lawyers then served a forfeiture notice. This notice started a different legal battle. I was acting for the freeholders against what the lender had done on my behalf as leaseholder.  This legal battle took 3y to resolve. The simple exit would have been for lender to sell. A simple agreement to remedy the breaches and recompense the freeholders in compensation - and there's have been clean title to sell.  That option was proposed to them.   This happened by way of mediation for all parties 2y ago.  A resolution option was put forward and in principle agreed.  But immediately after the lender lawyers failed to engage.  A hard lesson to learn - mediation cannot be referred to in court. It's considered w/o prejudice. The steps they took have made no difference to their ability to sell the property.  Almost 3y since they finished works they still haven't sold. ** ** I followed up some leads myself.  A qualified cash buyer offered me a substantial sum.  The lender and receiver both refused it.   I found another offer in disclosure.  6 months later someone had apparently offered a substantial sum via an agent.  The receiver again rejected it.  The problem of course was that the agent had inflated the market price to get the business. But no-one was or is ever going to offer their list price.  Yet the receiver wanted/wants to hold out for the list price.  Which means 1y later not only has it not sold - disclosure shows few viewings and zero interest.  It's transparently over-priced.  And tarnished. For those asking why I don't give up - I couldn't/ can't.  Firstly I have fiduciary duties as a trustee. Secondly, legal advice indicates I (as leaseholder) could succeed with a large compensation claim v the lender.  Also - I started a claim v my old lawyer and the firm immediately reimbursed some £s. That was encouraging.  And a sign to continue.  So I'm going for compensation.  I had finance in place (via friend) to do a deal and take the property back off the lender - and that lawyer messed up bad.   He should have done a deal.  Instead further years have been wasted.   Maybe I only get back my lost savings - but that will be a result.   If I can add some kind of complaint/ claim v the receiver's conscious impropriety I will do so.   I have been left with nothing - so fighting for something is worth it. The lender wants to talk re a form of settlement.  Similar to my proposal 2y ago.  I have a pretty clear idea of what that means to me.  This is exactly why I do not give up.  And why I continue to ask for snippets of advice/ pointers on cag.  
    • It was all my own work based on my previous emails to P2G which Bank has seen.
    • I was referring to #415 where you wrote "I was forced to try to sell - and couldn't." . And nearer the start in #79 .. "I couldn't sell.  I had an incredibly valuable asset. Huge equity.  But the interest accrued / the property market suffered and I couldn't find a buyer even at a level just to clear the debt." In #194 you said you'd tried to sell for four years.  The reason for these points is that a lot of the claims against for example your surveyor, solicitor, broker, the lender and now the receiver are mainly founded in a belief that they should have been able to do something but did not. Things that might seem self evident to you but not necessarily to others. Pressing these claims may well need a bit more hard evidence, rather than an appeal to common sense. Can you show evidence of similar properties, with similar freehold issues, selling readily? And solid reasons why the lender should have been able to sell when you couldn't.
    • You can use a family's address.   The only caveat is for the final hearing you'd need to be there in person   HOWEVER i'd expect them to pay if its only £200 because costs of attending will be higher than that
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I would say no.. it isn't a credit agreement, but there again I am currently going through the same thing with a couple of companies... someone will reply soon that is a bit better on these thigns than me, but I would say there are definately things missing there... APR, their signature, payment terms... there must be more missing... this is purely a torn off part of an application form.... as far as I can see that is.... sorry i cannot help more... :)

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As pudster says there are key things missing namely interest rate, credit limit and repayments. It's not a compliant agreement.

 

My concern here is that they may have simply made a poor copy, they may have the full thing. In this instance I'd personally be inclined to write back asking them to try again.

 

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As pudster says there are key things missing namely interest rate, credit limit and repayments. It's not a compliant agreement.

 

My concern here is that they may have simply made a poor copy, they may have the full thing. In this instance I'd personally be inclined to write back asking them to try again.

 

Regards

 

Lantana

It does say 'Detach Here' 'Reply Card' so it may be all they have....

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Hi

If this is all they sent you then under where it says this is a consumer credit agreement you should write.

"Oh no it isn't" and send it back.:)

 

Peter

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HI Sorry my last posting was a bit inprecise.

The statement "I Have read the T and Cs etc" is not the correct form for a regulated agreement as all prescribed terms and conditions should be on the same page as the signature box and not interspersed with other material. So this document is not a correctly executed agreement even if the prescribed terms are elsewhere.

 

 

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HI

 

Yes its on the agreement regulations S.I.1983/1553 i think or the 2004/1482 updated ones.

 

(e) under the heading “Key Information”—

(i) the information set out in paragraphs 20 to 24 of Schedule 1 to these

Regulations; and

(ii) the statements of protection and remedies set out in Schedule 2 to these

Regulations; and

(f) the signature box and, where applicable, the separate box required by paragraph

(7)(b) below;

and such information, statements of protection and remedies, signature and separate boxes shall be shown together as a whole and shall not be preceded by any information apart from trade names, logos or the reference number of the agreement or interspersed with any other information or wording apart from subtotals of total amounts and cross references to the

terms of the agreement.

This is the latter one although the 1983 one is simillar

 

Cheers

Peter

 

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Just going back to the original reason for this post , RBoS have still not sent me the standard, "we're missing your payment letter"!

 

Of course, i'll scan & post if they do, BUT... It's all gone quiet!!!

 

Update... They called today from... 01582 630 015 purporting to be, "Mint Customer Satisfaction Team". Presented the whole thing as being a survey. It was obvious they were "fishing", I threw into the conversation that i'ld contacted Tameside Trading Standards (at which point her keyboard went into meltdown)!

 

I wasn't going to argue this when they presented the copy of the application which started this thread, but it seems that it's fortunate that YBS accidently cancelled their payment (all this is viewable above!) when I asked them to cancel a different payment...

 

What I find strange about this whole thing is, when I cancelled the payment to LTSB/BLS because they actually admitted straight off that they couldn't supply any agreements, they were on my case straight away. Now with this, RBoS (Mint), haven't had a single moan about the first missed payment (and it'll be the second tommorow), just a 'phone call fishing for information... What have they got to hide...???

 

Do I need to scan & post a copy of the letter to Mint that started all this?? I've just re-read the original letter from me and there was a charges refund request in there to...

 

Regards, Dave.

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What do you think they are fishing for? let's see the letter?

thanks for the click btw:)

 

HI Sorry my last posting was a bit inprecise.

Yes, but very funny:D

 

Wxxx

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Hi , I Hope I,m Not Hijacking, I Am So Confused, The More I Read The More Confused I Get, Is This A Copy OF A CCA

MONUMENTEE.jpg?t=1174987630 Of A Credit Agreement, :confused:

 

Hi

 

The document you have posted up is IMO 100% an application only and definitely not one of those 'grey area' application/credit agreements that are causing problems.

 

There are no prescribed terms whatsoever!!

 

Because I have a wicked streak, I would write and ask them to send a copy of your actual agreement and advise them that if they are unsure which document they should be looking for, that it is the one that has all the prescribed terms, other required terms and statutory statements and is signed by both lender and borrower! :D:D:D

 

It is tempting to accept this piece of cr@p as all that they possess but it's wise to give them another chance, just in case they do have a proper agreement and might produce it at a later date!

 

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What do you think they are fishing for? let's see the letter?

thanks for the click btw:)

 

 

Yes, but very funny:D

 

Wxxx

 

Here's the original letter that started all this off!

 

SWScan00032.jpg

 

 

I can post their reply if need be?!

 

Dave.

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Oh yes that thread... the one that proves the more you know the less you know paradox :p

 

That's the thread :D

 

Oh and its 250 + pages now Pam :roll:

Alliance & leicester:Settled 8/9/06 http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/alliance-leicester-successes/19700-tamadus-l.html?highlight=tamadus

Capital One:Settled 22/9/06 http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/capital-one/16644-tamadus-capital-one.html?highlight=tamadus

MBNA 2 accounts:Settled 22/9/06 http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/other-institutions-successes/13831-tamadus-mbna-i.html?highlight=tamadus

Smile:Settled 15/11/06

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GE Money:S.A.R - (Subject Access Request) sent3/8/06 LBA sent 26/9/06

Abbey:ERC prelim sent 14/9/06. LBA sent 2/10/06. Now it's getting interesting so keep watching

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hi all

some of you may have seen me before, so i'm sorry if i've reapeted anything

 

i was made redundant early jan this year and all the creditors seemed to pounce, only cap one (which i didnt expect) had the good grace to allow six months payments of £1 and no charges or interest added, the rest started getting dirty, monument (formally providian), have now gone to mercers, and its these which are giving me the most grief, i asked for my agreement and this is what they sent me, its similar to rinky's, but its on monument paper and monument T&C's but i opened account with providian, and never received new agreement with card when it changed in 2002, or new agreement in 2005 when they sent me a new card, mercers have told me they will be taking me to court soon, i told them that i was getting help from DAWN Advice Ltd, and they would be dealing with monument, but they had a 5-6 week back log, mercers said i'd better tell them to hurry up, cos i would be in court before then...

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thanx seahorse

i've been told, that as long as i keep paying £1 per month and sending currant income/expenditure sheet, no judge would force me to pay more, is this correct, they also said that monument would proberbly sell account before it go's to court, if this isnt agreement, and they dont have anything else, what about my right to Data Protection, no agreement, no signiture, cant give my details to third party, or sell it? is this right? what about defaults being removed?

 

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First of all, write them a letter stating that you didn't ask to see a copy of the application form, you want to see a copy of the agreement, as stated in your original s77/8 request under the CCA. You do not accept this as an agreement and that they haven't complied with your request. Tell them that you will be suspending payments until such a time as they can provide you with a correctly executed agreement. State that until that time this account is in dispute and therefore cannot be sold.

 

Give them some harsh words back, but stay this side of the line. Just make sure you mention 'until they comply' a couple of times so that a judge will see you're being reasonable.

 

The default issue will require more work, but if they are not forthcoming with the agreement thing you can issue (erm, the quote escapes me) to stop them processing your data.

 

Go for it Santa!

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Ooohhhh, it's a minefield, but do-able. Depends whether you want a quiet life, or want to poke a stick into the hornet's nest and shake it about.

 

If Monument DID sell it on, it would probably end up with Cabot. And as you already have a copy of what they laughingly call a properly executed agreement, your first letter to that shower should really be, Prove it!

 

If Monument won't accept that this is all you can pay, and think they stand a chance in court with this, I'd say you have nothing to worry about. And as they will be well aware that they stand no chance then, yes. They probably will try to get best price for it and lumber some other sucker with it.

 

Are you reading this Mr Maynard? I'd steer clear of this one if I was you. Oh, wait. You just buy a huge portfolio of accounts with no idea of what's in there. Must be Christmas every day in your office, eh Ken? ;)

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thank you both seahorse and m

 

i dont mind shaking a stick anywhere, and its all come about from being made redundant, so its a bit ironic really, i wouldnt have found this site had it not been for these vultures, and of course plenty of time to kill....

 

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