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    • further polished WS using above suggestions and also included couple of more modifications highlighted in orange are those ok to include?   Background   1.1  The Defendant received the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) on the 06th of January 2020 following the vehicle being parked at Arla Old Dairy, South Ruislip on the 05th of December 2019.   Unfair PCN   2.1  On 19th December 2023 the Defendant sent the Claimant's solicitors a CPR request.  As shown in Exhibit 1 (pages 7-13) sent by the solicitors the signage displayed in their evidence clearly shows a £60.00 parking charge notice (which will be reduced to £30 if paid within 14 days of issue).  2.2  Yet the PCN sent by the Claimant is for a £100.00 parking charge notice (reduced to £60 if paid within 30 days of issue).   2.3        The Claimant relies on signage to create a contract.  It is unlawful for the Claimant to write that the charge is £60 on their signs and then send demands for £100.    2.4        The unlawful £100 charge is also the basis for the Claimant's Particulars of Claim.  No Locus Standi  3.1  I do not believe a contract with the landowner, that is provided following the defendant’s CPR request, gives MET Parking Services a right to bring claims in their own name. Definition of “Relevant contract” from the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4,  2 [1] means a contract Including a contract arising only when the vehicle was parked on the relevant land between the driver and a person who is-   (a) the owner or occupier of the land; or   (b) Authorised, under or by virtue of arrangements made by the owner or occupier of the land, to enter into a contract with the driver requiring the payment of parking charges in respect of the parking of the vehicle on the land. According to https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/46/section/44   For a contract to be valid, it requires a director from each company to sign and then two independent witnesses must confirm those signatures.   3.2  The Defendant requested to see such a contract in the CPR request.  The fact that no contract has been produced with the witness signatures present means the contract has not been validly executed. Therefore, there can be no contract established between MET Parking Services and the motorist. Even if “Parking in Electric Bay” could form a contract (which it cannot), it is immaterial. There is no valid contract.  Illegal Conduct – No Contract Formed   4.1 At the time of writing, the Claimant has failed to provide the following, in response to the CPR request from myself.   4.2        The legal contract between the Claimant and the landowner (which in this case is Standard Life Investments UK) to provide evidence that there is an agreement in place with landowner with the necessary authority to issue parking charge notices and to pursue payment by means of litigation.   4.3 Proof of planning permission granted for signage etc under the Town and country Planning Act 1990. Lack of planning permission is a criminal offence under this Act and no contract can be formed where criminality is involved.   4.4        I also do not believe the claimant possesses these documents.   No Keeper Liability   5.1        The defendant was not the driver at the time and date mentioned in the PCN and the claimant has not established keeper liability under schedule 4 of the PoFA 2012. In this matter, the defendant puts it to the claimant to produce strict proof as to who was driving at the time.   5.2 The claimant in their Notice To Keeper also failed to comply with PoFA 2012 Schedule 4 section 9[2][f] while mentioning “the right to recover from the keeper so much of that parking charge as remains unpaid” where they did not include statement “(if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met)”.     5.3         The claimant did not mention parking period, times on the photographs are separate from the PCN and in any case are that arrival and departure times not the parking period since their times include driving to and from the parking space as a minimum and can include extra time to allow pedestrians and other vehicles to pass in front.    Protection of Freedoms Act 2012   The notice must -   (a) specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates;  22. In the persuasive judgement K4GF167G - Premier Park Ltd v Mr Mathur - Horsham County Court – 5 January 2024 it was on this very point that the judge dismissed this claim.  5.4  A the PCN does not comply with the Act the Defendant as keeper is not liable.  No Breach of Contract   6.1       No breach of contract occurred because the PCN and contract provided as part of the defendant’s CPR request shows different post code, PCN shows HA4 0EY while contract shows HA4 0FY. According to PCN defendant parked on HA4 0EY which does not appear to be subject to the postcode covered by the contract.  6.2         The entrance sign does not mention anything about there being other terms inside the car park so does not offer a contract which makes it only an offer to treat,  Interest  7.1  It is unreasonable for the Claimant to delay litigation for  Double Recovery   7.2  The claim is littered with made-up charges.  7.3  As noted above, the Claimant's signs state a £60 charge yet their PCN is for £100.  7.4  As well as the £100 parking charge, the Claimant seeks recovery of an additional £70.  This is simply a poor attempt to circumvent the legal costs cap at small claims.  7.5 Since 2019, many County Courts have considered claims in excess of £100 to be an abuse of process leading to them being struck out ab initio. An example, in the Caernarfon Court in VCS v Davies, case No. FTQZ4W28 on 4th September 2019, District Judge Jones-Evans stated “Upon it being recorded that District Judge Jones- Evans has over a very significant period of time warned advocates (...) in many cases of this nature before this court that their claim for £60 is unenforceable in law and is an abuse of process and is nothing more than a poor attempt to go behind the decision of the Supreme Court v Beavis which inter alia decided that a figure of £160 as a global sum claimed in this case would be a penalty and not a genuine pre-estimate of loss and therefore unenforceable in law and if the practice continued, he would treat all cases as a claim for £160 and therefore a penalty and unenforceable in law it is hereby declared (…) the claim is struck out and declared to be wholly without merit and an abuse of process.”  7.6 In Claim Nos. F0DP806M and F0DP201T, District Judge Taylor echoed earlier General Judgment or Orders of District Judge Grand, stating ''It is ordered that the claim is struck out as an abuse of process. The claim contains a substantial charge additional to the parking charge which it is alleged the Defendant contracted to pay. This additional charge is not recoverabl15e under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4 nor with reference to the judgment in Parking Eye v Beavis. It is an abuse of process from the Claimant to issue a knowingly inflated claim for an additional sum which it is not entitled to recover. This order has been made by the court of its own initiative without a hearing pursuant to CPR Rule 3.3(4)) of the Civil Procedure Rules 1998...''  7.7 In the persuasive case of G4QZ465V - Excel Parking Services Ltd v Wilkinson – Bradford County Court -2 July 2020 (Exhibit 4) the judge had decided that Excel had won. However, due to Excel adding on the £60 the Judge dismissed the case.  7.8        The addition of costs not previously specified on signage are also in breach of the Consumer Rights Act 2015, Schedule 2, specifically paras 6, 10 and 14.   7.9        It is the Defendant’s position that the Claimant in this case has knowingly submitted inflated costs and thus the entire claim should be similarly struck out in accordance with Civil Procedure Rule 3.3(4).   In Conclusion   8.1        I invite the court to dismiss the claim.  Statement of Truth  I believe that the facts stated in this witness statement are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.   
    • Well the difference is that in all our other cases It was Kev who was trying to entrap the motorist so sticking two fingers up to him and daring him to try court was from a position of strength. In your case, sorry, you made a mistake so you're not in the position of strength.  I've looked on Google Maps and the signs are few & far between as per Kev's MO, but there is an entrance sign saying "Pay & Display" (and you've admitted in writing that you knew you had to pay) and the signs by the payment machines do say "Sea View Car Park" (and you've admitted in writing you paid the wrong car park ... and maybe outed yourself as the driver). Something I missed in my previous post is that the LoC is only for one ticket, not two. Sorry, but it's impossible to definitively advise what to so. Personally I'd probably gamble on Kev being a serial bottler of court and reply with a snotty letter ridiculing the signage (given you mentioned the signage in your appeal) - but it is a gamble.  
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Thank you whizzkid...

 

I appreciate your words of support - I will certainly try!

 

I will certainly be leaning all over the place...lots of broad shoulders at the ready please everyone.

 

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Posted:8 June 06 :p (nxt day special delivery)

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Congratulations NeilP. Well done. I don't know what I will do now that yours and Whizzkids cases are over. Looks like I will have to buy a book!!

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LBA sent 1st June

Claim Filed 27th June 3349.90 Inc Interest + Costs

Court Papers Served 3rd July

Claim Acknowledged 10th July

50% Offered 27th July

Settled Out Of Court 1st August £3080.45

Capital One - S.A.R - (Subject Access Request) request 31st July

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Well done Neil, your news is just as faaabulous as Wizzys'.

 

You're both an inspiration - it takes real guts to go up against a huge organisation in this way. I hope to God mine doesn't go as far as yours both did 'cos I'm sure I won't be able to go the distance.

 

I'm sooooo pleased for you. I wish I could send a hug over 'tinternet' :-)

 

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Congratulations Neil...another great inspiring story!

Too much excitement for one evening!!!:D

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Just wanted to add my congratulations too neil, well done inspiration to us all.

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Is there any press stories about the grand finale, in any of the nationals this weekend?

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Barclays - £268 - Moneyclaim

Capital One - £172 - Moneyclaim

Abbey (2nd claim) - Moneyclaim

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HSBC - £2164.46- PAID IN FULL

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Sent an e-mail to Abbey's Solicitors this morning at 7,20am as i still have not received my money.

 

Got an e-mail back at 7.27am saying that he would take it up with the bank for immediate action (you have to admire this guy - working at 7.20 in the morning!!)

 

Checked my Bank Balance at 1.00pm and HOORAY the money is in there (apart from my Wife's claim amount which no doubt will be sent to her in the post)..... but NO - they've banked a cheque when i deliberatly asked for a bank transfer.

 

An Abbey National Cheque, drawn from an Abbey National Account into another Abbey National Account will take 7 DAYS TO CLEAR......... (it's an Instant Plus Account). How crap is that!

 

The Good news is though, i just phoned India to get the two recent charges reversed (as they weren't in the claims) and got told that i could only have 1 reversal a year. "Really" i said, "I've just had the last 6 years repaid to me plus interest! Would you like to talk to your supervisor about is?" Guess What? Got the other one reversed as well!

 

All in all, i suppose a good day as the money has sort of finally arrived. The Wife's not happy as she is still waiting for hers (He He!!) and the Ilkea Sale has just finished!

 

Gordon - No press releases planned. I think i'll leave it up to Whizzkid001 as his case packs a little bit more punch....... but then again, you never know!

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Maybe you could treat her to somewhere better than Ikea when your cheque clears!:D

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She's already had got the kids to come up to me one after the other saying:-

 

"Dad, Pleeeeeaaaaaaase can we go on holiday?" With that look - you know the puppy dog eye look...........

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:D

 

Go on......treat them, and yourself. You wouldn't have had the money anyway if you hadn't done this, so what the hell:p

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just like to say :shock: CONGRATULATIONS:shock:

 

to NeilP

 

excellent result, also thanks for taking the time away from your own troubles to answer me.

 

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big big well done - gonna beg you and Whizzkid001 to be my buddies if my claim goes that route!!!

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claim commenced 05.06.06

court hearing on 08.12.06

abbey settled in full before the hearing...yippee :cool:

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Well done! I read your posts last time I was logged in and felt inspired and scared!

 

Think I might possibly be asking for help from the forum

 

DPA letter sent to Abbey 8th June

 

Letter requesting no action to be taken against as account in dispute sent 16th June - thanks for Template CAG

 

No response although they are in receipt of the letters as I checked the recorded delivery and suprise suprise they sent a letter dated 19th June re offering £110 they had previously offered! which is half of 1 months charges!

 

No references to either of my letters!

 

As I was made redundant 3 months ago and funds are low - calling 0845 numbers is not a good idea - is it worthwhile to e mail to obtain a response? If so who?

 

Am I using the Forum correctly - seems I can only respond to one person - but would also like to just send messages to Abbey National customers in general - can't see how to send new post..........I think 3 months off work is taking its toll on my brain maybe?

 

Any info or advice please?

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i wouldn't bother emailing them if I were you chick - if they don't reply to your letters properly and within the time limits you set then just follow the next course of action as stated on this site. You have been more than fair in offering time to them if you follow the 14 day timeline per letter so next step would be court process.

 

I'm awaiting a response from my letter before action so fingers crossed - not that i expect abbey to do anything competant!!

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claim commenced 05.06.06

court hearing on 08.12.06

abbey settled in full before the hearing...yippee :cool:

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Heard from a source that abbey are reducing charges to 12.00 from the beginning of July.

 

Wonder why this is

 

lol

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