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    • Thank-you dx, What you have written is certainly helpful to my understanding. The only thing I would say, what I found to be most worrying and led me to start this discussion is, I believe the judge did not merely admonish the defendant in the case in question, but used that point to dismiss the case in the claimants favour. To me, and I don't have your experience or knowledge, that is somewhat troubling. Again, the caveat being that we don't know exactly what went on but I think we can infer the reason for the judgement. Thank-you for your feedback. EDIT: I guess that the case I refer to is only one case and it may never happen again and the strategy not to appeal is still the best strategy even in this event, but I really did find the outcome of that case, not only extremely annoying but also worrying. Let's hope other judges are not quite so narrow minded and don't get fixated on one particular issue as FTMDave alluded to.
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    • the claimant in their WS can refer to whatever previous CC judgements they like, as we do in our WS's, but CC judgements do not set a legal precedence. however, they do often refer to judgements like Bevis, those cases do created a precedence as they were court of appeal rulings. as for if the defendant, prior to the raising of a claim, dobbed themselves in as the driver in writing during any appeal to the PPC, i don't think we've seen one case whereby the claimant referred to such in their WS.. ?? but they certainly typically include said appeal letters in their exhibits. i certainly dont think it's a good idea to 'remind' them of such at the defence stage, even if the defendant did admit such in a written appeal. i would further go as far to say, that could be even more damaging to the whole case than a judge admonishing a defendant for not appealing to the PPC in the 1st place. it sort of blows the defendant out the water before the judge reads anything else. dx  
    • Hi LFI, Your knowledge in this area is greater than I could possibly hope to have and as such I appreciate your feedback. I'm not sure that I agree the reason why a barrister would say that, only to get new customers, I'm sure he must have had professional experience in this area that qualifies him to make that point. 🙂 In your point 1 you mention: 1] there is a real danger that some part of the appeal will point out that the person appealing [the keeper ] is also the driver. I understand the point you are making but I was referring to when the keeper is also the driver and admits it later and only in this circumstance, but I understand what you are saying. I take on board the issues you raise in point 2. Is it possible that a PPC (claimant) could refer back to the case above as proof that the motorist should have appealed, like they refer back to other cases? Thanks once again for the feedback.
    • Well barristers would say that in the hope that motorists would go to them for advice -obviously paid advice.  The problem with appealing is at least twofold. 1] there is a real danger that some part of the appeal will point out that the person appealing [the keeper ] is also the driver.  And in a lot of cases the last thing the keeper wants when they are also the driver is that the parking company knows that. It makes it so much easier for them as the majority  of Judges do not accept that the keeper and the driver are the same person for obvious reasons. Often they are not the same person especially when it is a family car where the husband, wife and children are all insured to drive the same car. On top of that  just about every person who has a valid insurance policy is able to drive another person's vehicle. So there are many possibilities and it should be up to the parking company to prove it to some extent.  Most parking company's do not accept appeals under virtually any circumstances. But insist that you carry on and appeal to their so called impartial jury who are often anything but impartial. By turning down that second appeal, many motorists pay up because they don't know enough about PoFA to argue with those decisions which brings us to the second problem. 2] the major parking companies are mostly unscrupulous, lying cheating scrotes. So when you appeal and your reasons look as if they would have merit in Court, they then go about  concocting a Witness Statement to debunk that challenge. We feel that by leaving what we think are the strongest arguments to our Member's Witness Statements, it leaves insufficient time to be thwarted with their lies etc. And when the motorists defence is good enough to win, it should win regardless of when it is first produced.   
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      The judge's reasoning is very useful and will certainly be helpful in any other cases relating to third-party rights where the customer has contracted with the courier company by using a broker.
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Prelim Sent -27/02/07....

Response Letter rec'd -13/03/07....

LBA Sent -15/03/07...

Court claim due-30/03/07

Offer received(10p/cent short)-declined for full amount-28/03/07

Success FULL 6yr amount offered-29/03/07:D

........not yet received because they want me to accept conditions!!:(

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Thank you all

It will be YOU one day very soon:D

Prelim Sent -27/02/07....

Response Letter rec'd -13/03/07....

LBA Sent -15/03/07...

Court claim due-30/03/07

Offer received(10p/cent short)-declined for full amount-28/03/07

Success FULL 6yr amount offered-29/03/07:D

........not yet received because they want me to accept conditions!!:(

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Many many congratulations that is such fantastic news, I am really looking for some advice.

I have received my statements and sent of the 14 day letter to HBOS, they still have approx 10 days to reply, what I am really concerned about is what i do when they say i can't have the refund.

I live in Scotland and have read so much about this subject my head is fit to burst, i would really appreciate any help that you could give me, as my blood is boiling thinking about all the money they have taken from me over the years

 

Thanks in advance

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Thanks b49.

Its best to stick to one thread and then everyone can follow your progress and you can get all the help and support you need.

Theres a reply at this thread -claiming-scotland-me-hbos.

They will try and tell you that you are not due the refund but YOU ARE.Just wait the 14 days and then follow the procedures-if no response send out the LBA.

Best of luck

Prelim Sent -27/02/07....

Response Letter rec'd -13/03/07....

LBA Sent -15/03/07...

Court claim due-30/03/07

Offer received(10p/cent short)-declined for full amount-28/03/07

Success FULL 6yr amount offered-29/03/07:D

........not yet received because they want me to accept conditions!!:(

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recieved my acceptance letter-don't want to agree to not claiming more charges in future(as Ive already another since I started this!)Don't know whether to send a seperate letter or amend their's.Thought I saw something about this but can't find it now. Any help?

 

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Prelim Sent -27/02/07....

Response Letter rec'd -13/03/07....

LBA Sent -15/03/07...

Court claim due-30/03/07

Offer received(10p/cent short)-declined for full amount-28/03/07

Success FULL 6yr amount offered-29/03/07:D

........not yet received because they want me to accept conditions!!:(

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Send this one..

 

 

Date

Dear Mr bank man

Ref: Your Offer of Settlement (thank you very much.....:p )

 

Account: xxxxxxxx

Sort Code xx-xx-xx

Claim No: XXXXX in XXXX County Court

 

I acknowledge receipt of your letter date xx/xx/xx and your settlement offer of £XXX

 

I accept your offer as full and final settlement only for this claim of bank charges made on my account between xx/xx/xx and xx/xx/xx(dates of first and last charge)

 

I accept this offer without prejudice and I reserve the right to make any further claims should you apply future charges that may be considered unlawful under common law or in violation of the Unfair Terms in Consumer Contracts Regulations 1999 or Unfair Contract Terms Act 1977.

 

I will be willing to withdraw my claim upon receipt of unconditional full settlement of my claim

 

I am also not prepared to agree to any confidentially clauses you try to impose, unless of course your client wishes to make an offer of due consideration in addition to the amount of £xxxxx, in order to be afforded this privilege by myself.

 

I trust that you will find this arrangement acceptable.

 

Love and kisses

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O thanks Seaside!

 

You are a STAR:)

 

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Prelim Sent -27/02/07....

Response Letter rec'd -13/03/07....

LBA Sent -15/03/07...

Court claim due-30/03/07

Offer received(10p/cent short)-declined for full amount-28/03/07

Success FULL 6yr amount offered-29/03/07:D

........not yet received because they want me to accept conditions!!:(

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Hiya blue eye.

 

The first thing you need to do is start your own thread. That way when you have any questions we all can see and you will get help faster.

On the top and bottom of the page it says "new thread"

 

Click there, add your title, and that is yours.

 

But to answer your question....Ignore that letter, it is just a stalling one. Yes send your next letter. Keep us up to date with your progress...:D

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Sending 'thanks for the money and get it into my account soon and also i'll be claiming any more future charges' letter (thanks to SeasideLady)off tomorrow. Hopefully money in bank soon.:)

Prelim Sent -27/02/07....

Response Letter rec'd -13/03/07....

LBA Sent -15/03/07...

Court claim due-30/03/07

Offer received(10p/cent short)-declined for full amount-28/03/07

Success FULL 6yr amount offered-29/03/07:D

........not yet received because they want me to accept conditions!!:(

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No problem, We all had to start at the begining. You learn sooo much on here.

I will keep a look out for your thread blue eye.

 

 

Our way right till the end! Hope it will be soon for you change-it.

If you need me, i will be as you say "flying around" :D

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Our way right till the end! Hope it will be soon for you change-it.

If you need me, i will be as you say "flying around" :D

 

Lol:p thanks seaside

Prelim Sent -27/02/07....

Response Letter rec'd -13/03/07....

LBA Sent -15/03/07...

Court claim due-30/03/07

Offer received(10p/cent short)-declined for full amount-28/03/07

Success FULL 6yr amount offered-29/03/07:D

........not yet received because they want me to accept conditions!!:(

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Well,

 

Phoned Halifax to get an indication as to when money would be in account to be told that it wouldn't be!because i hadn't send them their standard acceptance letter back and had sent my own!

 

I said it was because I couldn't say that at any time in the future i would not claim more charges. She said I had to send them their acceptance form before I would get my money!!and accept this as full and final settlement!!

No way!

Prelim Sent -27/02/07....

Response Letter rec'd -13/03/07....

LBA Sent -15/03/07...

Court claim due-30/03/07

Offer received(10p/cent short)-declined for full amount-28/03/07

Success FULL 6yr amount offered-29/03/07:D

........not yet received because they want me to accept conditions!!:(

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Thanks George

I knew it was too good to be true. Looks like a long wait now.Wonder when they were going to let me know?!

Prelim Sent -27/02/07....

Response Letter rec'd -13/03/07....

LBA Sent -15/03/07...

Court claim due-30/03/07

Offer received(10p/cent short)-declined for full amount-28/03/07

Success FULL 6yr amount offered-29/03/07:D

........not yet received because they want me to accept conditions!!:(

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Hang in there change-it - perhaps the longer the money is in there account it will gathering interest for them? No doubt they will say they sent a letter to inform you which never arrived. This is what I was told over the years when money got taken from my account.

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I knew it was too good to be true. Looks like a long wait now.Wonder when they were going to let me know?!

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I would write to them and inform them as they have failed to settle the matter within an acceptable timeframe and without conditions attached you are not accepting their offer and are now going to pursue the claim to its conclusion through the FOS where you will be claiming for your charges and the judicial interest of 8%.

Personally speaking i would complain through the FOS immediately and remember to add on the interest to your charges before sending.

George

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Thanks George

I'm going to go FOS,I'll have to read up on that now,hadn't bothered much as I THOUGHT I was done and dusted!And yes ,feels like they are playing games, oh here you are but if we slap charges left right and centre you can't claim them back. Am really annoyed.

Prelim Sent -27/02/07....

Response Letter rec'd -13/03/07....

LBA Sent -15/03/07...

Court claim due-30/03/07

Offer received(10p/cent short)-declined for full amount-28/03/07

Success FULL 6yr amount offered-29/03/07:D

........not yet received because they want me to accept conditions!!:(

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