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    • Morning, I purchased a car from Big Motoring World on 10th December 2023 for £14899.00. On the 15th December I had a problem with the auto start stop function of the car in which the car would stop in the middle of the road with a stop start error message. I called the big assist and the car was booked in for February. The BMW was with them for a week and it came back with the auto stop start feature all fine and all error codes cleared on the report from big motoring world. within 5 days I had the same issue. Warning light coming on and the car stopping. I called big assist again and the car was again booked in for an other repair in May. Car was taken back in may, they had the car for a week and returned with the report saying no issue with the auto stop start feature and blamed my driving. Within 5 days of having the car back it broke down again. This time undrivable. I had the rac pick my car up and take to Stephen James BMW for a full diagnostic. The diagnostic came back with the car needing a new fuel system as magnetic swarf was found.  I have sent big motoring world a letter stating all the issues and that under the consumer rights act 2015 I have asked for a replacement vehicle. all reports from Stephen James BMW have been sent over to big motoring world. Big motoring world have come back and said they will respond to my complaint within 14 days for the date of my complaint letter. I am not feeling confident on the response from them, what are my next steps?   Thanks in advance. 
    • That is really good is that a mistake last off "driver doesn't have a licence" I assume that should be keeper? The Court requested me to send the Court and applicant proof of my sons disability from their GP this clearly shows he has Severe Mental Impairement, he is also illiterate.  I naively assumed once the applicant received this that they would drop the claim.  It offends me that Bank has asked the Judge to throw the case out at the preliminary hearing and to make us pay up.
    • Hi, we are looking to get some opinions on weather or not to bother fighting this PCN. This comes from a very big retail park parking where there are restaurants, hotel, amongst other businesses. The parking is free but I suppose there must be a time limit on it that I am not aware of. We were in the area for around 4 hours. Makes us wonder how they deal with people staying in the hotel as the ANPR is on what appears to be a publicly maintained street (where london buses run) which leads to the different parking areas including the hotel.  1 Date of the infringement 26/05/2024 2 Date on the NTK  31/05/2024 3 Date received 07/06/2024 4 Does the NTK mention schedule 4 of The Protections of Freedoms Act 2012? [Y/N?]  YES 5 Is there any photographic evidence of the event? Entry and exit photos however, based on the photographs we are almost sure the photos are taken on public street. This is the location I believe photos are taken from.  https://maps.app.goo.gl/eii8zSmFFhVZDRpbA 6 Have you appealed? [Y/N?] post up your appeal] No Have you had a response? [Y/N?] post it up N/A 7 Who is the parking company? UKPA. UK Parking Administration LTD 8. Where exactly [carpark name and town] The Colonnades, Croydon, CR0 4RQ For either option, does it say which appeals body they operate under. British Parking Association (BPA) Thanks in advance for any assistance.  UKPA PCN The Collonades-redacted.pdf
    • Thank you for posting their WS. If we start with the actual WS made by the director one would have doubts that they had even read PoFA let alone understood it. Point 10  we only have the word of the director that the contract has been extended. I should have had the corroboration of the Client. Point 12 The Judge HHJ Simkiss was not the usual Judge on motoring cases and his decisions on the necessity of contracts did not align with PoFA. In Schedule 4 [1[ it is quite clearly spelt out- “relevant contract” means a contract (including a contract arising only when the vehicle was parked on the relevant land) between the driver and a person who is—(a)the owner or occupier of the land; or (b authorised, under or  by virtue of arrangements made by the owner or occupier of the land, to enter into a contract with the driver requiring the payment of parking charges in respect of the parking of the vehicle on the land; And the laughable piece of paper from the land owners cannot be described as a contract. I respectfully ask that the case be dismissed as there is no contract. WE do not even know what the parking regulations are which is really basic. It is respectfully asked that without a valid contract the case cannot continue. One would imagine that were there a valid contract it would have been produced.  So the contract that Bank has with the motorist must come from the landowner. Bank on their own cannot impose their own contract. How could a director of a parking company sign a Statement of Truth which included Point 11. Point 14. There is no offer of a contract at the entrance to the car park. Doubtful if it is even an offer to treat. The entrance sign sign does not comply with the IPC Code of Conduct nor is there any indication that ANPR cameras are in force. A major fault and breach of GDPR. Despite the lack of being offered a contract at the entrance [and how anyone could see what was offered by way of a contract in the car park is impossible owing to none of the signs in the WS being at all legible] payment was made for the car to park. A young person in the car made the payment. But before they did that, they helped an elderly lady to make her payment as she was having difficulty. After arranging payment for the lady the young lad made his payment right behind. Unfortunately he entered the old lady's number again rather than paying .for the car he was in. This can be confirmed by looking at the Allow List print out on page 25. The defendant's car arrived at 12.49 and at 12.51 and 12.52  there are two payments for the same vrm. This was also remarked on by the IPC adjudicator when the PCN was appealed.  So it is quite disgraceful that Bank have continued to pursue the Defendant knowing that it was a question of  entering the wrong vrm.  Point 21 The Defendant is not obliged to name the driver, they are only invited to do so under S9[2][e]. Also it is unreasonable to assume that the keeper is the driver. The Courts do not do that for good reason. The keeper in this case does not have a driving licence. Point 22. The Defendant DID make a further appeal which though it was also turned down their reply was very telling and should have led to the charge being dropped were the company not greedy and willing to pursue the Defendant regardless of the evidence they had in their own hands. Point 23 [111] it's a bit rich asking the Defendant to act justly and at proportionate cost while acting completely unjustly themselves and then adding an unlawful 70% on to the invoice. This  is despite PoFA S4[5] (5)The maximum sum which may be recovered from the keeper by virtue of the right conferred by this paragraph is the amount specified in the notice to keeper under paragraph 9[2][d].  Point 23 [1v] the Director can deny all he wants but the PCN does not comply with PoFA. S9 [2][a] states  (2)The notice must— (a)specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates; The PCN only quotes the ANPR arrival and departure times which obviously includes a fair amount of driving between the two cameras. Plus the driver and passengers are a mixture of disabled and aged persons who require more time than just a young fit single driver to exit the car and later re enter. So the ANPR times cannot be the same as the required parking period as stipulated in the ACT. Moreover in S9[2][f]  (ii)the creditor does not know both the name of the driver and a current address for service for the driver, the creditor will (if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met) have the right to recover from the keeper so much of that amount as remains unpaid; You will note that in the PCN the words in parentheses are not included but at the start of Section 9 the word "must" is included. As there are two faults in the PCN it follows that Bank cannot pursue the keeper . And as the driver does not have a driving licence their case must fail on that alone. And that is not even taking into consideration that the payment was made. Point 23 [v] your company is wrong a payment was made. very difficult to prove a cash payment two weeks later when the PCN arrives. However the evidence was in your print out for anyone to see had they actually done due diligence prior to writing to the DVLA. Indeed as the Defendant had paid there was no reasonable cause to have applied for the keeper details. Point 24 the Defendant did not breach the contract. The PCN claimed the Defendant failed to make a payment when they had made a payment.   I haven't finished yet but that is something to start with
    • You don't appeal to anyone. You haven't' received a demand from a statutory body like the council, the police or the courts. It's just a dodgy cowboy company trying it on. You simply don't pay.  In the vast majority of these cases the company deforest the Amazon with threats about how they are going to divert a drone from Ukraine and make it land on your home - but in the end they do nothing.
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      The judge's reasoning is very useful and will certainly be helpful in any other cases relating to third-party rights where the customer has contracted with the courier company by using a broker.
      This is generally speaking the problem with using PackLink who are domiciled in Spain and very conveniently out of reach of the British justice system.

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Have issued claim using MCOL against NatWest so they have 14 days to act. Have also sent strongly worded letter of complaint to NatWest about their habit of sending my confidential bank statements in tatty brown envelopes with holes in them!

 

Visited HSBC today to open a parachute account and they wouldn't do so unless I changed my salary deposit from NatWest to HSBC. I said 'yes',as long as you can give me the sam eoverdraft facility as NatWest to which they said no!' Are all these banks tarred with the same brush by any chance???!!!!:|

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Thanks, I ended up going to Alliance & Leicester who my mortgage is with. I don't get any interest but atleast it's a safe haven!

 

Is it worth complaining to the information commissioner about the tatty envelope situation or is that not appropriate?

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I dont know if its really worth it TBH, Its wrong but htey could blame it on royal mail...now if it had been opened then yes i would, or if it was sent to the wrong address then i would be crazy with anger, but Im not sure if its even worth it...

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I dont know if its really worth it TBH, Its wrong but htey could blame it on royal mail...now if it had been opened then yes i would, or if it was sent to the wrong address then i would be crazy with anger, but Im not sure if its even worth it...

 

They appear to be purposely damaged in my opinion. I'll post my pics later of my own envelope and how damaged it was, they're certainly not of the same grade as their standard envelopes.

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Ok, MCOL has been acknowledged by NatWest giving them 28 days to respond. My DPA request resulted in only statements being sent to me so I wrote to Stuart Higley requesting confirmation that there had not been any manual interventions on my accounts over the past 6 years.

 

This is the response I received this morning:

 

"Thank you for your letter of 14 may 2006.

 

Hopefully the missing statements will be with you soon, if they are not already to hand.

 

In the majority of cases charges are triggered automatically when an irregular situation is handled but if manual intervention took place, the action taken would not be noted as a matter of routine. Therefore, no record exists against which I can refer.

 

Yours sincerely,

 

Stuart Higley

Customer Relations"

 

Is this an admission that charges are applied automatically by computer? Does this also mean that they have ignored by DPA disclosure request by stating they have no records about me?

 

Comments and advice most welcome!:)

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It most certainly sounds like it. Hope I get one the same!

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Data Protection Act Request sent 12/04 (Statements arrived 09/06/06!!!!!!!!!)

Parachute Account Created 25/04

Preliminary Letter Sent 09/06/06 reply received 14/06/06

LBA Sent 14/06/06 reply received 20/06/06

Moneyclaim request issued 27/06/06

Defence arrived 29/07/06

Offer of 50% from Cobbetts 03/08/06

Settled in full 23/08/06

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In the majority of cases charges are triggered automatically when an irregular situation is handled but if manual intervention took place, the action taken would not be noted as a matter of routine. Therefore, no record exists against which I can refer.

 

Yours sincerely,

 

Stuart Higley

Customer Relations"

 

Is this an admission that charges are applied automatically by computer? Does this also mean that they have ignored by DPA disclosure request by stating they have no records about me?

 

Comments and advice most welcome!:)

 

1) They have admitted their charges are automated.

 

2) They have told you (and therefore everyone else here) that they don't bother keeping records of manual intervention.

 

This isn't a breach of the DPA - they can't supply informaiton they don't have - but it does mean they can't prove that any manual intervention has ever taken place. So basically they can only ever lawfully charge you for the automated processing. Which is virtually nothing.

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Egg - £400 - Prelim sent. On hold.

Mint - On the list Est £800

GE Capital - On the list (3 accounts!) Est £4000

 

MBNA - £545 Prelim sent 13/11/2006

LBA sent 1/12/2006

£350 partial payment received 18/12/2006.

Full settlement received 20/1/07

 

NatWest - Est £4000 not incl interest

Data Protection Act Sent 10/1/07

Statements received 24/1/07

Prelim sent 3/2/07

Full Settlement received 22/2/07

 

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I thought as much, I couldnt believe my eyes when I read what was written there. Been in touch with the information comissioners office today who were a bit vague but explained to me how to complain about Nat West failing to disclose information.

 

Thanks for all the great advice!

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Now that I have a letter from Nat West customer relations stating that account charges are applied automatically is it worth writing to RBS (who are defending my claim) to let them know that I have this admission? Is this likely to make them settle? They have acknowledged my claim and have until 4th June to enter a defence.

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On occasions when I have exceeded my overdraft limit due to a direct debit the people at NatWest have charged me £38 for a referral fee, however they have paid the DD. I am right in thinking that I can claim these charges back aren't I?:rolleyes:

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Defence and request for further information received today from Cobbetts.

 

They are requetsing information about the accounts and the charges. Can I add recent charges to the total amount, that is charges which have been applied since I started a claim against them?

 

They go on to ask if the charges were a result of a breach of contract on my part. What should I answer to this? They then go on to ask me to identify the particular breach of contract (by reference to appropriate terms of the contract) that the charges related to.

 

The final tricky one is "Please specify all of the facts relied on by the claimant in support of the contentions in paragraph 5 above, an din particular please identify the contractual provisions that the Claimant alleges are unenforcable by reference to UCTA/the regulations."

 

Is all this pretty standard? And is it wise to issue my own CPR18 request when I writ eback to them?

 

Any advice and comments very welcome!

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Is what they've sent you a CPR18 request?

 

If so it is not applicable to the Small Claims Track and so does not need to be answered. I would respond to them advising them of this.

Opinions given herein are made informally by myself as a lay-person in good faith based on personal experience. For legal advice you must always consult a registered and insured lawyer.

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Hi,

 

If you Google it you should get a good link to a copy in the first few results. If one doesn't work try the Cached link.

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Egg - £400 - Prelim sent. On hold.

Mint - On the list Est £800

GE Capital - On the list (3 accounts!) Est £4000

 

MBNA - £545 Prelim sent 13/11/2006

LBA sent 1/12/2006

£350 partial payment received 18/12/2006.

Full settlement received 20/1/07

 

NatWest - Est £4000 not incl interest

Data Protection Act Sent 10/1/07

Statements received 24/1/07

Prelim sent 3/2/07

Full Settlement received 22/2/07

 

The contents of this post are the sole opinions of The Cornflake and not necessarily the opinions of any other members of this group. They do not constitute sound legal or financial advice and if in doubt you are advised to seek advice from a qualified professional

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