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    • so return of goods order etc etc read upload  scan pages to jpg, redact in mspaint. the convert to and merge to one mass PDF  read upload and use the online listed sites for all 3 stages. do you want to keep the car? i will guess this was a manual paper claimform direct from the co.court or was it org sent from salford bulk processing and has just got reaq ssigned?      
    • Speaking of the reformatory boys, here they are with all of their supporters, some of whom traveled with them from miles away, all carefully crammed together and photographed to look like there were more than about 80 .. rather like Farages last rally with even fewer people crammed around what looked like an ice cream van or mobile tea bar ... Although a number in the crowd apparently thought they were at a vintage car rally as they appeared to be chanting 'crank-her'. A vintage Bentley must be out of view.   Is this all there is? Its less than the Tory candidate. - shut up and smile while they get a camera angle that looks better
    • in order for us to help you we require the following information:- Which Court have you received the claim from ? Canterbury Name of the Claimant ? Moneybarn No 1   How many defendant's  joint or self ? One Date of issue –  29/05/24 Acknowledged by 14/06/24  Defence by 29/06/24  Particulars of Claim PARTICULARS OF CLAIM 1.  By a Conditional Sale Agreement in writing made on 25th August 2022. Between the Claimant and Defendant, the Claimant let to the Defendant on Conditional Sale. A Ford Ranger 3.2 TDCi (200 P S) 4x4 Wildtrack Double Cab Pickup 3200cc (Sep.2015) Registration No, ******* Chassis number ***************** (“The Vehicle”).  A copy of the agreement is attached  2.  The price of the goods was £15,995.00. The Initial Rental was £8500.00.  The total charge for credit was £3575.;17 And the balance of £11,070.17 was payable by 59 equal consecutive monthly instalments of £187 63. payable on the 25th of each month. 3.  The following were expressed conditions of the set agreement, Clause 8: Our Right to End this Agreement  8.1   Subject to sending you the notice as required by law, any of the following events will entitle us to end this Agreement: 8.1.2  You fail to pay the advance payment (if any) or any of the payments as specified on the front page of this agreement or any other sum payable under this Agreement. 8.1.3 If any of the information you have given us before entering into this Agreement or during the term of this Agreement was false 8.1.4 We consider, acting reasonably, that the goods may be in jeopardy or that our rights in the goods may otherwise be prejudiced. 8.1.5 If you die 8.1.6 If a bankruptcy petition is presented against you; if you petition for your own bankruptcy, or make a live arrangement with your creditors or call a meeting of them. 8. 1.7 If in Scotland, you become insolvent or sequestration or a receiver, judicial factor or trustee to be appointed over any of your estate, or effects or suffer an arrestment, charge attachment or other diligence to be issued or levied on any of your estate or effects or suffer any exercise, or threatened exercise of landlords hype hypothec 8.1.8 If you are a partnership, you are dissolved 8.1.9 If the goods are destroyed, lost, stolen and/or treated by the insurer as a total loss in response to an insurance claim. 8.1.10 If we reasonably believe any payment made to us in respect of this Agreement is a proceed of crime. 8.1.11 If steps are taken by us to terminate any other agreement which you have entered into with us. Clause 9.  Effect of Us Terminating Agreement 9.1 If this Agreement terminates under clause 8 the following will apply 9.1.1 Subject to the rights given to you by law, you will no longer be entitled to possession of the goods and must return them to us to an address as we may reasonably specify, (removing or commencing the removal of any cherished plates) together with a V5 registration certificate, both sets of keys and a service record book. If you are unable or unwilling to return the goods to us then we shall collect the goods and we'll charge you in accordance with clause 10.3 9.1.2 We will be entitled to immediate payment from you for all payments and all other sums do under this agreement at the date of termination 9.1.3 We will sell the goods or public sale at the earliest opportunity once the goods are in a reasonable condition which includes a return of the items listed in clause 7.1.4 9.1.4 We will be entitled to immediate payment from you of the rest of the Total Amount Payable under this agreement less: ( a) A rebate for early settlement ias required by law which will be calculated and notified to you at the time of payment (b) The proceeds of sale of the goods (if any) after deduction of all costs associated with finding you and/or the goods, recovery, refurbishment and repair. Insurance, storage, sale, agents fees, cherished plate removal, replacement keys, costs associated with obtaining service history for the goods and in relation to obtaining a duplicate V5 registration certificate 4, The following are particulars required by Civil Procedure Rules. Rule 7.9 as set out in 7.1 and 7.2 of the associated Practice Direction entitled Hire Purchase Claims:- a)     The agreement is dated 25 August 2022. And is between Moneybarn No1 Limited  and xxxxxxxxx under agreement  number xxxxxx. b)    The claimant was one of the original parties to the agreement. c)    The agreement is regulated under the Consumer Credit Act 1974. d)    The goods claimed Ford Ranger 3.2 TDCi ( 200 PS) 4x4 Wildtrack Double Cab Pickup 3200 cc (Sep2015} Registration No ^^^^^^^ Chassis number ***************** e)     The total price of the goods £19570 f)     The paid up sum £1206 5 g)    The unpaid balance of the total price £7505 (to include charges) h)    A default notice was sent to the defendant on 20th February 2024 by First class post i)      The date when the right to demand delivery of the goods accrued 14 March 2024 j)      The amount if any claimed as an alternative to delivery of the goods 7505 22 include charges 5.  At the date of service of the notice the instalments were £562.89 in arrears. 6. By reason of the Termination of the Agreement by the notice, defendant became liable to pay the sum of £7502 7. The date of maturity the agreement is 24th August 2027. 8. Further or alternative by reasons of  the Defendant breaches of the agreement by failing to pay the said instalments, the Defendant evinced an intention no longer to be bound by the Agreement and repudiated it by the said Notice the claimant accepted that repudiation 9. By reason of such repudiation the claimant has suffered loss and damage. Total amount payable £19570 Less sum paid or in arrears by the date of repudiation £12064 97 Balance £7505 (to include charges.) ( The claimant will give credit if necessary for the value of the vehicle if recovered.)  The claimant therefore claims 1.    An order for delivery up of the vehicle 2.    The MoneyClaim to be adjourned generally with liberty to restore,  Upon restoration of the MoneyClaim following return or loss of the vehicle. the Claimant will ensure the pre action protocol for debt claims is followed. 3.    Pursuant to s 90 (1)  of the Consumer Credit Act 1974. An order that the Claimant and/or its agents may enter any premises in which the vehicle is situated in order to recover the vehicle should it not be returned by the Defendant 4.    further or alternatively damages 5.    costs Statement of truth The Claimant believes that the facts stated in these Particulars of Claim are true. The Claimant understands that the proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes or causes to be made a false statement in the document for verified by statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth. I am duly Authorised by the Claimant to sign these Particulars of Claim signed Dated 17th of April 2024  What is the total value of the claim? 7502   Have you received prior notice of a claim being issued pursuant to paragraph 3 of the PAPDC (Pre Action Protocol) ? No   Never heard of this   Have you changed your address since the time at which the debt referred to in the claim was allegedly incurred? No   Did you inform the claimant of your change of address? n/a Is the claim for - a Bank Account (Overdraft) or credit card or loan or catalogue or mobile phone account? No   When did you enter into the original agreement before or after April 2007 ? After  Do you recall how you entered into the agreement...On line /In branch/By post ? In a garage  Is the debt showing on your credit reference files (Experian/Equifax /Etc...) ? Yes  Has the claim been issued by the original creditor or was the account assigned and it is the Debt purchaser who has issued the claim. Original Were you aware the account had been assigned – did you receive a Notice of Assignment? n/a   Did you receive a Default Notice from the original creditor? They said sent but nor received   Have you been receiving statutory notices headed “Notice of Sums in Arrears”  or " Notice of Arrears "– at least once a year ? None seen   Why did you cease payments? Still Paying,   What was the date of your last payment? Yesterday  31st May 2024   Was there a dispute with the original creditor that remains unresolved? No   Did you communicate any financial problems to the original creditor and make any attempt to enter into a debt management plan? Yes on 12 Feb 2024   What you need to do now.   Can't scan, will do via another means as you cant have jpg  
    • Now that is an interesting article which adds afew perspective that I hadn't thought significant - but on reflection of the perspectives offered ... Now Starmer is no Blair, however 'blairite he may be perceived, but the Tories aren't tories and aren't even remotely liberal   The fast 'unannounced and unexpected election call from sunack may well be explained by the opinion linked that he hoped reform would be unprepared and effectively call a chunk of Farages largely empty bluster - making him look even more of a prat, leave scope for attacks on shabby reform candidates and mimimise core vote losses to reform - while throwing the 'middle ground' (relative) tories TO THE DOGS - and with the added bonus of likely pacifying his missu' desire to jogg off to sunny cal tout suite somewhat   thumb in the air - I expect about 140ish tory seats, but can hope for under a hundred Reform - got to admit the outside possibility of 1, maybe 2 seats with about 8% of the vote - but unlikely. I think projections of over 10% of the vote for reform is nudged and paid for speculation - but possible with the expected massive drives from Russian, Chinese and far right social media bot and troll prods targeting the gullible.
    • Commentary June 2024 WWW.ELECTORALCALCULUS.CO.UK Interesting article about just how bad it could be for the Tories.  Also Tories could be hoping on Reform not having candidates in many seats, as they were not ready.  
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Hi everyone

 

After successfully claiming back my Bank Charges from Alliance & Leicester, I have been spreading the word!

 

A friend of mine has a Business bank account because he is self employed and has his own small plastering business.

 

Is it possible to claim charges back from a Business account?

If so, would you do it in the same way as a normal bank account, or would it have to be done differently?

 

Thanks for your help

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Hello Memma

 

Congrats on your win against Alliance and Leicester.:)

 

The process for reclaiming business charges is the same as for personal accounts apart from the removal of all references to consumer law from the letter templates and particulars of claim.

 

Here is the link

 

http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/bank-templates-library/486-sample-letter-your-bank.html

 

I reclaimed £800 from Natwest on my business account after only sending the prelim letter.:D

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Hello Everyone. We are waiting for our court date for reclaiming Business bank charges against Lloyds. They have made me an offer but have deducted the £50 Lloyds Partnership Fees/Routemap per month that we were tricked into along with their other services. For this Partnership Service, we received 2 visits over the period before Lloyds themselves scrapped this service as it wasn't working and Customer's were complaining. Does anyone know if these are relevant to our claim or are they right and we just say good bye to £2500. Hope someone can help. Thanks, Shalley

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Hi Ladeyshalley

 

Welcome to CAG:)

Could you firstly start your own thread in the Lloyds Bank Forum.

 

http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/lloyds-bank/

 

As for those charges, I'm afraid they sound like 'service charges' which are not reclaimable. They have not resulted from any breaches, therefore they are not penalty charges. (even tho they feel like it!)

 

Good Luck

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ladeyshalley123 vbmenu_register("postmenu_791030", true); can you please advise the Lancer what you did to get the sucess you seem to have as Lloyds turned me down cold heartedly. they cited something about the charges claim ponly related to consumsers and not businesses
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Hi There. Regarding Lloyds TSB and attempt to reclaim business banking charges. Sorry, this is a bit long winded and complicated but if you have a Business Account with Lloyds, it may sound all too familar.

 

Lloyds TSB have made it so difficult. I feel for you. Our original claim was for well over £17,000, however, we included everything. We received the usual 'looking into it' standard letter and then heard nothing , so went onto moneyclaim to register our claim with the court. They came back at the eleventh hour and contested it saying we had claimed for charges that weren't allowed, ie/services, overdraft arrangement fees, partnership fees, unauthorised fees etc. We then received a letter from their Solicitors offering us just over £6000 which included just the usual, bounced cheques and direct debits, interest and court fees.

 

We looked at this very carefully and saw that on every occasion, had they not taken their additional excessive monthly unauthorised fees , that we would have been able to pay our direct debits and cheques so we decided to revise our claim. We then took out the Service Charges, Authorised Charges and left everything else, wrote back and said we would settle for this reduced amount of just over £12,000. They came back with the same offer but without any explanation of how they reached their figure. They still won't budge and we cannot see how they have reached this figure even with just the penalty amounts alone. If we take just those and enter them into the calculator on Money Saving Expert site with the date of the first entry, we still get a figure of over £9000 without even the additional fees.

 

The enforced Partnership Programme which totalled over £2000. All we had to show for this 'partnership' was a single piece of lined A4 paper with the Business Manager's scribbling on, sales v stock etc in a very nice folder, that was it.. Lloyds themselves, scrapped this service in 2005 as it wasn't working but they state now that we cannot ask for our money back, it's so unfair. The only one to benefit from this Route Map was the Bank themselves and they scrapped it before more people complained

 

As well as the standard overdraft penalties, they show, on Business Accounts, additional overdraft charges, which you see on your statement, authorised £xxx/unauthorised £xxx. The interest is shown seperately. We left out the authorised and interest and just entered the unauthorised entries. I put all these on an excel sheet, with dates, description, statement no and amount in seperate showing catagories. Totalled them all up at the bottom and this is where we are at now, confused as to what we can claim for.

 

Lloyds closed our Business account with a 2 week notice when we first put in our claim and demanded repayment of the Business overdraft which is now up to £10,000 as they are charging interest at an alarming rate each month until we repay. Now, something very strange is happening. We keep receiving letters from Lloyds saying how they are delighted to offer us an overdraft of whatever the amount is at the date of their letter for the next 8 weeks. This amount increases to cover their interest but they still charge us for this facility even though they 'closed' our account down in writing so each month, we owe even more. It's all so confusing and to be honest, Lloyds seem to do this on purpose so you will give up.

 

We would have settled for an amount to cover our overdraft and close the account and put an end to this highly stressful situation to which has taken it's toll on both our health. During our time with them, I received a transplant operation and they still didn't show any compassion. We are now having to close this Business, the stress is too much, which is a shame as we had just turned the corner but their heavy charges meant that we could never grow it without finanical backing which, they wouldn't give as we had to hold stock. We have had the same amount of overdraft now as when we first began 6 years ago which they kept calling in and then reviewing every couple of months at between £75 and £175 a time. Their aim is to turn each overdraft into a loan and then get you to start again. We managed to pay our loan off with them, by remortgaging so we only owe for the overdraft.

 

We have written back, yet again, to their Solicitors asking for a breakdown of how they reached their figure and interest. Everything they send is 'without prejudice' of course.

 

We have now received a court date for end July. I don't know at what stage you are up to but can only recommend that you keep going but if there is anything else that I can help you with, then please let me know and if there is anyone out there in a similar situation, that can offer us some advice, then we would be so grateful to hear from you. Good Luck and let me know how you get on. Shalley

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