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    • Honestly you are all amazing on this site, thank you so much for your help and time. ill keep an eye out and only return when i receive a claim letter for sure also, i updated my address with amex and tsb before i even missed payments. the initial address was my family home but i dont reside there. to avoid a bombardment of letters there i have now updated my address, will they send all threats etc to the new address? Or old address?   do you reccomend i send both tsb and amex my update in address via a letter?
    • Your point 4 deals with that and puts them to strict proof .....but realistically they are not in a position to state that within their particulars they were not the creditor at the time of default but naturally assume the OC would have...so always worth challenging and if you get a DJ who knows his onions on the day may ask for further evidence from the OC internal accounts system. 
    • I see, shame, I think if a claim is 'someone was served' then proof of that should be mandatory. Appreciate your input into the WS whenever you get chance, thanks in advance
    • Paper trail off the original creditor often confirms the default and issue of a notice...not having or being able to disclose the actual copy or being able to produce a copy less so. Creditors are not compelled to keep copies of the actual default notice so you will in most cases get a reconstituted version but must contain accurate figures/dates/format.     .    
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I understand that the claimant is an Assignee, a buyer of defunct or bad debts, which are bought on mass portfolios at a much-reduced cost to the amount claimed and which the original creditors have already written off as a capital loss and claimed against taxable income as confirmed in the claimant’s witness statement exhibit by way of the Deed of Assignment. As an assignee or creditor as defined in section 189 of the CCA this applies to this new requirement on assignment of rights. This means that when an assignee purchases debts (or otherwise acquires rights under a credit agreement) it also acquires certain obligations to the borrower including the duty to comply with CCA requirements (such as the rules on statements and notices and other post-contractual information). The assignee becomes the creditor under the agreement. This ensures that essential consumer protections under the CCA cannot be circumvented by assigning the debt to a third party. 2. The Claim relates to an alleged Credit Card agreement between the Defendant and Bank of Scotland plc. Save insofar of any admittance it is accepted that the Defendant has had contractual agreements with Bank of Scotland plc in the past, the Defendant is unaware as to what alleged debt the Claimant refers. 3. The Defendant requested a copy of the CCA on the 24/12/2022 along with the standard fee of £1.00 postal order, to which the defendant received a reply from the Claimant dated 06/02/2023. To this date, the Claimant has failed to disclose a valid agreement and proof as per their claim that this is enforceable, that Default Notice and Notice of Assignment were sent to and received by the Defendant, on which their claim relies. The Claimant is put to strict proof to verify and confirm that the exhibit *** is a true copy of the agreement and are the true Terms and Conditions as issued at the time of inception of the online application and execution of the agreement. 4. Point 3 is noted. The Claimant pleads that a default notice has been served upon the defendant as evidenced by Exhibit [***]. The claimant is put to strict proof to verify the service of the above in accordance with s136 and s196 Law of Property Act 1925. 5. Point 6 is noted and disputed. The Defendant cannot recall ever having received the notice of assignment as evidenced in the exhibit marked ***. The claimant is put to strict proof to verify the service of the above in accordance with s136 and s196 Law of Property Act 1925. 6. Point 11 is noted and disputed. See 3. 7. Point 12 is noted, the Defendant doesn’t recall receiving contact where documentation is provided as per the Claimants obligations under CCA. In addition, the Claimant pleads letters were sent on dates given, yet those are not the letters evidenced in their exhibits *** 8. Point 13 is noted and denied. Claimant is put to strict proof to prove allegations. 9. The Claimant did not provide a true copy of the CCA in response to the Defendants request of 24/12/2022. The Claimant further claims that the documents are sufficient to pursue a Judgement and are therefore copies of original documents in their possession. Conclusion 10. Without the Claimant providing a valid true copy of the executed Credit agreement that complies with the CCA, the Claimant has no grounds on which to enforce this alleged debt. 11. The Defendant was not given ample evidence to prove the debt and therefore was not required to enter settlement negotiations. Should the debt be proved in the future, the Defendant is willing to enter such negotiations with the Claimant. On receipt of this claim I could not recall the precise details of the agreement or any debt and sought clarity from the claimant by way of a Section 78 request. The Claimant failed to comply. I can only assume as this was due to the Claimant not having any enforceable documentation and issuing a claim in hope of an undefended default judgment.   Statement of Truth I, ********, the Defendant, believe the facts stated within this Witness Statement to be true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in it’s truth. Signed: _________________________ _______ Dated: _____________________
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We took out the loan at Cash Convertors in Stevenage, Hertfordshire in August 2005, HTH!

 

Hmmmm you could always advise them a forum user on here knows that they have a few skeletons in there cupboard-especialy Chelsea park investments?,and is quite prepared to put up the evidence to prove any allegations illegall trading quite recently and possibly even now!!.:o

 

Were you actually seen and advised by the cash converters staff?,or seen by a visiting representative from another branch?.

 

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Hi

 

I volunteer at the CAB and we've had a few successes reclaiming fees from logbook loans pointing out the OFT ruling that fees should reflect their actual costs. In all cases, they have reduced the fees to the current £12 fee set by OFT "as a gesture of goodwill". LBL maintain that it costs them £12 for each letter and phone call if not more! It doesn't seem a lot, but as the charges are added weekly, they soon mount up.

 

As these are not very nice people to deal with I would suggest that you go to your local CAB and ask them to write to LBL for a breakdown of fees and quote the relevant OFT blurb. While you are there, ask them to log this as a Social Policy issue. CAB routinely log problems that may affect lots of people and then take action on behalf of all of them. I've already logged a few incidences about this company.

 

Finally, I don't know if you have heard but Watchdog were also asking for info on this company the person you need to contact is Rajan on 0208 7524565. Also, I believe the OFT are logging problems but I haven't got the info for this - you will have to do a search on this forum.

 

Hope this helps

 

Thanks for this advice, although I think it would be better to claim the full amount of the charges. LBL have presumably not proved that their costs are 12.00, and as the charges are unlawful the full amount can be claimed.

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Well, Court claim forms were issued to Log Book Loans on 21st April. The court form stated that they had until the 8th April to respond. I just spoke to the court and they haven't received anything from them! Hooray, I can ask the court to enter judgement now!! But what happens after that? I have asked that payment is to be received immediately but will the judge still have to decide if LBL (Chelsea Park) actually owe me the money or not?

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Charlotte I've Pm'd you.

 

The allegations are that you may find that the 'sales invoice' which is used to place the lien is invalid. Also that it wasn't validated with the High Court which in turn may mean that your car was taken illegally

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If your claim has not been defended, and you have judgment, then you have won and should be able to get payment, although I doubt this will be an easy task. Contact the court for advice about enforcing the judgment. I hope they don't acknowledge late though, although their methods must surely be hard to defend.

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The main options for you to enforce this would be to apply for bailiffs to be used ( warrant of execution ) if you have an address for them or to go for a Third Party Debt Order which effectively would take your payment from any bank account they have a credit balance with.

 

You could also apply for something called an Order for Information whcih would force a representative of LBL to attend court & answer questions on their financial position.

 

Only just subscribed to your thread & reas it with interest - well done for getting this far! You may even find that you don't have to take enforcement action ( bearing in mind the costs of this can be added onto what is owed to you ).

 

Keep us posted!:)

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Well, in the post on Saturday came the Judgment for Claimant (in default) from the court ordering LBL to pay me the total amount!

I'm not sure whether LBL will apply for a hearing to have the judgment set aside but does anyone know how long I should wait before I enforce the judgment?

Many thanks.

Char.

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If the order states immeadiate payment then don't wait (they wouldn't) apply for a High Court Warrant & it will be served by a proper licensed bailiff not one of the mickey mouse ones that claim to be bailiffs

 

If LBL muck about it's worth noting that High Court Bailiffs can also serve arrest warrants if so ordered by the Court

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Thanks JonCris;

The order just says 'You must pay the claimant £***** forthwith'.

I take it that means immediately, but how many days should I wait to receive payment? Should I contact LBL at all or leave it to the court bailiffs?

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I sent in my claim for a refund of late payment charges and repossession charges on the 19th April 2007, LBL had until 8th May to respond, they didn't, so judgment (in default) was given on 11 May. Obviously now comes the difficult bit, enforcing the judgment and getting our money back!!

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There are a number of fellow victims here who will help but mariette be careful what you disclose on this public forum as it's well know that LBL monitor this site in an attempt to identify potential trouble makers.

 

Keep your questions general & don't ID your motors, location or precise payment problems.

 

There IS quite a lot going on behind the scenes at the moment involving this company

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I'll informed people.

 

And I quote "nothing will happen to LBL".

 

I think s o m e not all of whats been said here is the truth and some not so.

 

However, I find it hard to believe that nearly ALL the posts i read contained customers of LBL not knowing about the APR.

 

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Really Oh Boy--------You know that do you

 

& am I correct in understanding that you think nowt's gonna happen to them

 

Do you work now or are have you worked for them in the past

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Sounds like Oh Boy! (or should that be Oh Dear?) has 'connections' - the semi-literate comments definitely induce a sense of 'deja vu', why is it LBL apologists always seems to have those problems?

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