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    • The property was our family home.  A fixed low rate btl/ development loan was given (last century!). It was derelict. Did it up/ was rented out for a while.  Then moved in/out over the years (mostly around school)  It was a mix of rental and family home. The ad-hoc rents covered the loan amply.  Nowadays  banks don't allow such a mix.  (I have written this before.) Problems started when the lease was extended and needed to re-mortgage to cover the expense.  Wanted another btl.  Got a tenant in situ. Was located elsewhere (work). A broker found a btl lender, they reneged.  Broker didn't find another btl loan.  The tenant was paying enough to cover the proposed annual btl mortgage in 4 months. The broker gave up trying to find another.  I ended up on a bridge and this disastrous path.  (I have raised previous issues about the broker) Not sure what you mean by 'split'.  The property was always leasehold with a separate freeholder  The freeholder eventually sold the fh to another entity by private agreement (the trust) but it's always been separate.  That's quite normal.  One can't merge titles - unless lease runs out/ is forfeited and new one is not created/ granted. The bridge lender had a special condition in loan offer - their own lawyer had to check title first.  Check that lease wasn't onerous and there was nothing that would affect good saleability.  The lawyer (that got sacked for dishonesty) signed off the loan on the basis the lease and title was good and clean.  The same law firm then tried to complain the lease clauses were onerous and the lease too short, even though the loan was to cover a 90y lease extension!! 
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    • I understand what you mean. But consider that part of the problem, and the frustration of those trying to help, is the way that questions are asked without context and without straight facts. A lot of effort was wasted discussing as a consumer issue before it was mentioned that the property was BTL. I don't think we have your history with this property. Were you the freehold owner prior to this split? Did you buy the leasehold of one half? From a family member? How was that funded (earlier loan?). How long ago was it split? Have either of the leasehold halves changed hands since? I'm wondering if the split and the leashold/freehold arrangements were set up in a way that was OK when everyone was everyone was connected. But a way that makes the leasehold virtually unsaleable to an unrelated party.
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old 1990's £5k Yescar Loan moved Welcome - car went bang - got CCJ, sold to cabot, still paying £10PCM, owe +£8k!! - cabot want more £PCM


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My first post & hoping for some advise. Sorry but a bit long.

 

Purchased a car & Three year warranty through "Yes Car Credit" back in the mid 1990's (total of approx £5K including interest). Yes went "Pop" a year or so later & it was passed to Welcome.

 

After about two & a half Years to Car developed a Suspension issue. We contacted Welcome to arrange repair under the Warranty. Only to be told that when they took over they transferred to Warranty to another company & it was only for TWO Years & so Car was no longer covered. We were notified of the change to Welcome, but not  the Warranty.

 

After a long discussion(over several weeks). It was decided to return the Car as it could not be driven, still paying for it & we could not afford the repair (During this time my Wife had to give up work due to illness & I became her Carer).

 

It eventually went to Court (advise given from CAB) & a CCJ was issued for £10 per month, with payment to Cabot

 

Fast forward approx 24 years to now & in the last few weeks have received two letters from Cabot(which is the first time we have heard from them since the creation of the payment plan for the CCJ). Both asking me to up my payment to £40 per month & the outstanding Balance is £8,730.52!!! I'm 59 & at £10pm I have nearly 73 more Years to pay.

Questions. 

 

I read that Welcome Car Finance is no longer trading & went out of business on the 2nd March 2011.

Is this correct?

 

Being on Disability/Carers Benefits since the late 90's & recently had to go on a Debt Management Plan. Can this be added to the Plan?

 

Doing some Maths we have already paid off approx £3K, so Welcome/Cabot must at some point added £5K to the original Debt. Does this sound right?

 

Any other advise eg could this debt be written off as had a similar issue with Provident, but that has been written off?

 

Thank you in advance.

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if the £10pcm was set by a judge they cant change anything. ignore them totally.

 

now looks like as every welcome customer you've been had blind and by CAB .

 

the warranty played no part and as with all warranties was totally worthless anyway. you should not have handed the car back under voluntary surrender you should have demanded its repair under your consumer rights, wasn't your car belonged to welcome.

 

have you moved since the ccj and not in WRITING informed cabot of your correct and current address?

 

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  • dx100uk changed the title to old 1990's £5k Yescar Loan moved Welcome - car went bang - got CCJ, sold to cabot, still paying £10PCM, owe +£8k!! - cabot want more £PCM

oh and i see you are in a DMP...

blindly paying any DCA's?? WHY..:frusty: they are not bailiffs!!

 

start a thread in the debt self help 

and list your debts

and bump the DMP!!

do it yourself

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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Slightly confused

 

These sub prime car loans were notorious as their entire business model was designed on sourcing finance for people with a low income and/or tarnished credit history.

 

They fully anticipated a high percentage would default and hand the vehicle back. (Voluntary surrender)

These vehicles were third rate and sourced from auctions with inherent faults and milage around 70k. About the time things start to wear out and need replacing.. As stated peviosly these vehicles belong to the finance company so any major faults were down to them to rectify.

 

If the loan for the finance was only Five grand, (Total amount payable) which includes front loaded interest, how can it now be £8,730.52?

 

How long ago was the CCJ awarded and what was the amount originally claimed?

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I bet they got post judgemental interest .

 

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NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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These were very high APR loans with an average 57% APR so doubt a judge would allow that. 

 

Thought if the court sets a repayment schedule then post judgemental interest will not apply. Especially £10 a month on an almost 9k debt?

 

Has the Debt Collection Agency been adding unlawful interest post judgement?

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anything is possible with a loan of this age and its known players.

 

there is one guy here that took out a loan with welcome for £5k that is now £65k

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

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are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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PJI can be at the loan rate if its written in the agreement as so.

 

yes cant do anything without paperwork.

 

 

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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