Mutating Corona Virus

[tobyjugg2]

26 minutes ago, London1971 said:

Right now Spain has a far higher infection rate than either Britain or France, and on this occasion the government are doing the right thing.

 

So you think sending returnees from 'affected' places home across the country with an instruction to self isolate, without being tested is 'the right thing'?

 

 

 

26 minutes ago, London1971 said:

People a month ago shrieking ‘why didn’t we shut down all flights in February’ 

 

People now, ‘why have the government introduced a quarantine from spain’

 

Damned if they do, damned if they don’t .

 

 

No, doing 'whatever' incompetently is the issue.

 

Thats a typical Johnsonite populist type 'avoid the point' response

I'm genuinely surprised. Has Londons' account been hijacked?

 

 

In February, as now returnees should be tested and properly managed.

They weren't and aren't. Thats the issue.

 

Edited July 28, 2020 by tobyjugg2

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Yes, but as Shapps said when supporting Stanley Johnsons antics country hopping to avoid restrictions

'its only advice

 

 

and in summary of many ministers support of Cummings and Jentricks antics

'its the social distancing that matters and he wasn't caught breaking the social distance rule (as that was only done when he returned into No10 before setting off on his escapades,  and no-one better tell)

 

... and of course, the current social distancing rule is 3 feet - qualified by where possible isnt it?

 

 

 

Follow the examples of those who set the rules?

as they have further defined them?

 

Edited July 28, 2020 by tobyjugg2

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https://www.euronews.com/2020/07/27/donald-trump-s-national-security-advisor-tests-positive-for-covid-19-reports-associated-pr

 

"US National Security Advisor Robert O'Brien has tested positive for COVID-19, two anonymous sources confirmed to the Associated Press."

 

There is "no risk of exposure to the President or the Vice President"

as the national security advisor has been left soaking completely submerged in a vat of bleach to cure him since the positive test result

He is reported to have screamed his support of the president as he was immersed with the help of a number of the presidential security team

 

"the "work of the National Security Council continues uninterrupted," the White House told AP"

Edited July 28, 2020 by tobyjugg2

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He'll be pumped full of the real stuff ... like remdesiver

 

 

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5 hours ago, cjcregg said:

 

To be fair wee Nicola doesn't have the responsibility of balancing the epidemic with running the economy.

 

In essence the decisions she makes, the rest of the Union pays for.

 

Populist English nationalist garbage and Self contradictory (she has no fiscal responsibility + the UK pays for her fiscal decisions)

 

Actually, as already stated, the reality is that she makes her decisions based on the limits imposed by Westminster and NOT as you state.

She just has some leeway in how she allocates the funds

eg more in the peoples interests rather than mainly in a few rich folks interests

 

Imagine a free Scotland with its territorial waters not blocked off from use by English nuclear subs and its fishing not controlled from Westminster ..

How much should they charge the UK to use its waters, let alone own them?

 

.. and at least try understand the ins and outs and whys and wherefores of the Barnet formula before you continue to spout from the lowbrow jingoistic end of nationalistic populist rubbish.

 

 

Edited July 29, 2020 by tobyjugg2

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49 minutes ago, hightail said:

Wasn’t it advice against all but non essential travel?  That’s not a ban.

 

Quite true hightail

and as confirmed by Shapps (secretary of state for transport) in support of Johnson snr hopping from one country to another to avoid even the very limited restrictions .. by other countries

 

"Transport Secretary Grant Shapps argued Boris Johnson's father was within his right to travel abroad. "

 

"Mr Shapps said: "When you say restrictions, he will have ignored travel advice, not restrictions."

 

"Mr Shapps continued: "It's advice, everyone can decide what to do with the advice.""

 

Johnson jnr:

"“The advice says you have to to make your own decision about whether you want to travel,” he said in reference to the Foreign Office advice against all but essential international travel."

 

 

Surely  cjregg read that?

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1304498/grant-shapps-travel-advice-stanley-johnson-boris-coronavirus

 

 

more?

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=shapps+stanley+advice&t=ffsb&ia=web

Edited July 29, 2020 by tobyjugg2

[tobyjugg2]

On 28/07/2020 at 09:24, honeybee13 said:

I just spotted this from the Guardian, on quarantine, etc.

 

This is the first paragraph [my bold].

 

'Another day, another sadly predictable U-turn from the government of Boris Johnson. A few weeks ago ministers were encouraging the public to go abroad for their holidays. They did so without a comprehensive airport testing regime for passengers, unlike in many parts of the world. As restrictions have been lifted across Europe, countries have reported rises in Covid-19 cases. People returning from Spain, which has seen a spike in infections, now face mandatory quarantine. The farce means that the transport secretary will be one of those self-isolating.'

 

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/jul/27/the-guardian-view-on-a-new-normal-holidays-abroad-quarantine-at-home

 

 

and again

(Culture Secretary) "Oliver Dowden has said people should continue to book holidays this summer to countries on the government’s airbridge agreement list,

but warned they need to be aware of the risk “that quarantine could be imposed”.

 

Should that be  ' they need to be aware of the risk that some easy option will be taken that fits the populist rhetoric whethyer or not its a sensible thing to do, let alone the best option'

 

 

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/coronavirus-mandatory-uk-quarantine-oliver-dowden-airbridge-a9643231.html

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Their ongoing utter stupidity seems to be boundless

 

"Testing passengers for Covid-19 on arrival in the UK is “not a silver bullet”, the culture secretary, Oliver Dowden, has said, as Downing Street continues to come under pressure over quarantine plans."

 

Whereas it seems he must consider that sending untested people out into the country to travel home by whatever means; with the approved alternative of a few select words in their ear;   ... is?

 

What a pillock.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jul/29/testing-for-covid-19-on-arrival-in-uk-is-no-silver-bullet-says-minister

 

Edited July 29, 2020 by tobyjugg2

[tobyjugg2]

Latest updates

 

** Self isolation period for people with coronavirus symptoms may increas to 14 days

eg headache, loss of sense of smell, stomach upset, cough, crotch itch, no symptoms at all et all,

... but testing not to be increased at all

 

** Britains 'world beating' 'test and trace' remains world beating

but only in being possibly the most ineffective, under utilised and poorly managed test and trace in the western world

 

** Johnsons' sick man of Europe (aka 'us')

Trys to avoid future blame and responsibility for his failings

by pre-emptively pointing finger at EU (aka 'them') for future outbreaks

 

** Britain and Spains excess deaths compared by the ONS

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/articles/comparisonsofallcausemortalitybetweeneuropeancountriesandregions/januarytojune2020

 

 

 

 

 

Edited July 30, 2020 by tobyjugg2

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Latest

Handcock says:

Policies (including sending people home across the UK untested from airports after returning from UK defined 'hotspots' 

and increasing isolation period (without testing them) for people with some sort of symptoms which may or may not be a simple upset tummy or hangover or pollen allergy or dengue fever  ......

-  'led by clinical science'

 

Tobyjugg says:

Handcock seems to present an overwhelming aroma of bull manure

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The police have stated its neither their responsibility nor do they have the manpower to do the 'checking'  haven't they

 

Anyone else at the door, eg Tv licencing type goons can 'jogg on

 

 

.. and all for the lack of some of the claimed available test capacity being used sensibly where its needed

 

FGS

Using it the way I suggested would make the stats look better

Edited July 30, 2020 by tobyjugg2

[tobyjugg2]

Just imagine it

 

Goon:

Hello, Are you the house owner?

 

Me:

Show me your id

 

Goon:

shows capita id

 

Me:

Shuts door.

 

 

 

or

 

me@ Hears knock at door - looks through window and sees goon

 

me - coughs through window - sod off I'm isolating.

 

Mind you - that might give them a result

Edited July 30, 2020 by tobyjugg2

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Must admit though with O/H and DIL both NHS key workers (with no pay increase pending)

We would book a test despite the data privacy and security (lack of) issues, as we already have once when O/H had an upset tummy and GP surgery was 'OMG Covid don't come in'

 

Just now, honeybee13 said:

You're right about the police, TJ, they said a while back they didn't have the manpower, didn't they?

 

LA contact tracing has a very high success rate and people seem to trust them enough to give them the necessary information. Then they were meant to be followed up by under-utilised NHS volunteers, AIUI. With the right resources, I'd have thought they could do this as well, but of course they don't have the resources.

 

They should have spent the money on the LA's not private profits

These sort of issues simply aren't going away any time

 

Dengue outbreaks on the increase in Florida aren't they.

 

https://miami.cbslocal.com/2020/07/27/four-new-cases-dengue-fever-florida-keys/

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Huh??

 

Self isolation for folk with some sort of symptom increased to 10 days

Still no competent and relevant testing

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/coronavirus-self-isolation-period-uk-symptoms-10-days-latest-a9645281.html

 

 

LOL

2 in one

 

Edited July 30, 2020 by tobyjugg2

[tobyjugg2]

heres the link that was intended

 

https://miami.cbslocal.com/2020/07/27/four-new-cases-dengue-fever-florida-keys/

 

Note

Dengue fever is not contagious but is transmitted by the bite of an infected Aedes aegypti mosquito.

 

No idea what happened with the last post(s)

Edited July 30, 2020 by tobyjugg2

[tobyjugg2]

seems two somehow became linked and editing one changed both

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You should be able to see it in your notifications

I edited the florida post and it 'paired with the earlier increase to 10 days post

 

# 1093 and 1094

 

editing one then also edited other the same

Edited July 30, 2020 by tobyjugg2

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1 hour ago, honeybee13 said:

LA contact tracing has a very high success rate and people seem to trust them enough to give them the necessary information.

 

Exactly, and no-one in their right mind trusts Johnson, Gove and the 'selected private parties with their data .. or anything really.

 

.. and quite right too

Edited July 30, 2020 by tobyjugg2

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not necessary TY HB

I added back the florida link in a later post

 

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https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/coronavirus-scotland-north-england-travel-advice-lockdown-update-sturgeon-a9647816.html

 

Scotland advises against travel to Northern England

 

"“I strongly advise anyone planning to travel to areas affected in the north of England, or anyone planning to travel to Scotland from those same areas, to cancel their plans.”"

Edited July 31, 2020 by tobyjugg2

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all relevant stuff HB, but I'll tell you whats bothering me:

 

Whether the initial plans were wrong or not, be they wrong disease, or wrong approach (herd immunity) it seems absolutely clear to me that absolutely no lessons have been learned, let alone applied from everything we have learned about covid

 

Johnson/Cummings 'herd immunity' plan clearly still seems to hover behind every decision even though there is ample evidence that that entire approach is now in severe doubt (limited immunity) - even with all moral considerations aside

 

and all plans were, and continue even now to seem to be based on the already dis-proven assumption that the disease would not be 'at large' during the summer months - despite its being clearly on the increase again at every opportunity.

 

Even the vaccines are expected to only offer a limited boost in 'relief from severe symptoms and the increased spreading severe symptoms (coughing and sneezing) can bring

 

That we now know that the viral load is 'higher' up the respiratory system hence requiring less force to blow it about seems to also be totally ignored (apart from a very late requirement for face masks) let alone that it can thrive in hot weather.

 

All these issues seem to be ignored in the failure to update planning which was dubious at best even in the early days in Jan and Feb.

 

and Johnson and Handcock seem to be expecting something other than severe problems when flu season starts proper in just a few month time ...

[tobyjugg2]

47 minutes ago, unclebulgaria67 said:

Are the UK public ready and willing to accept another lockdown from September ?

 

Media reports are saying that due to schools reopening, Government will need to consider closing down Pubs and other meeting points, as they are expecting some Children plus the school staff to become infected. Therefore they want to control the number of contacts people have. The issue I have with this, is that parents of Children and partners of school staff will be mixing with people on public transport and in workplaces. If Pubs in particular were more risky than say an office, why are they open now ?

 

 

All valid and important, but The real key question seems to me to be:

 

Are the UK public willing to accept that a significant number of children may end up killing their parents as a direct result of Johnsons' policies?

 

and when those parents become sick, or die, will the children need to go to their grandparents, perhaps for the rest of their grandparents lives?

 

Then what?

 

I think this is the most monstrous 'plan' of Johnsons yet

all for the lack of a proper testing regime and awaiting a vaccine

 

but don't worry, the private schools Johnson and farage and their ilke go to have much smaller class sizes

 

Managed returns of a few days/half-days a week. with increased focus on remote schooling with all parents who can work from home continuing to work from home

that and a REAL increase in competent managed testing is what is really needed and what undoubtedly will be needed in future

 

- Not Johnon/Cummings 'get the herd infected in a way they CAN'T avoid -  and if they die 'its the virus and their fault'

 

Edited August 2, 2020 by unclebulgaria67
Typo correction Managed returns of a few days/half-days a week.

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Just tuned in to the rape/abuse by Tory MP (former minister) allegations

Edited August 2, 2020 by tobyjugg2

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1 hour ago, unclebulgaria67 said:

Also according to other reports in todays media, Government will be looking to shield over 50's, if there is an increase in virus cases.

 

 

Does that actually just mean lockdown based simply on age?

Or is there actually some science hidden in Johnsons' poo pile - as if

 

Edited August 2, 2020 by tobyjugg2

[tobyjugg2]

https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/politics/govt-accused-of-abandoning-care-homes-again-as-testing-pledge-dropped/02/08/

 

https://inews.co.uk/news/uk/care-homes-testing-coronavirus-matt-hancock-569268

 

You simply cant trust a liar, and johnson is the Father of Lies

Edited August 2, 2020 by tobyjugg2