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    • Northmonk forget what I said about your Notice to Hirer being the best I have seen . Though it  still may be  it is not good enough to comply with PoFA. Before looking at the NTH, we can look at the original Notice to Keeper. That is not compliant. First the period of parking as sated on their PCN is not actually the period of parking but a misstatement  since it is only the arrival and departure times of your vehicle. The parking period  is exactly that -ie the time youwere actually parked in a parking spot.  If you have to drive around to find a place to park the act of driving means that you couldn't have been parked at the same time. Likewise when you left the parking place and drove to the exit that could not be describes as parking either. So the first fail is  failing to specify the parking period. Section9 [2][a] In S9[2][f] the Act states  (ii)the creditor does not know both the name of the driver and a current address for service for the driver, the creditor will (if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met) have the right to recover from the keeper so much of that amount as remains unpaid; Your PCN fails to mention the words in parentheses despite Section 9 [2]starting by saying "The notice must—..." As the Notice to Keeper fails to comply with the Act,  it follows that the Notice to Hirer cannot be pursued as they couldn't get the NTH compliant. Even if the the NTH was adjudged  as not  being affected by the non compliance of the NTK, the Notice to Hirer is itself not compliant with the Act. Once again the PCN fails to get the parking period correct. That alone is enough to have the claim dismissed as the PCN fails to comply with PoFA. Second S14 [5] states " (5)The notice to Hirer must— (a)inform the hirer that by virtue of this paragraph any unpaid parking charges (being parking charges specified in the notice to keeper) may be recovered from the hirer; ON their NTH , NPE claim "The driver of the above vehicle is liable ........" when the driver is not liable at all, only the hirer is liable. The driver and the hirer may be different people, but with a NTH, only the hirer is liable so to demand the driver pay the charge  fails to comply with PoFA and so the NPE claim must fail. I seem to remember that you have confirmed you received a copy of the original PCN sent to  the Hire company plus copies of the contract you have with the Hire company and the agreement that you are responsible for breaches of the Law etc. If not then you can add those fails too.
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I only found out about them after I'd started with mcol, so I've decided to wait until this is finished, and then start again for these four specifically.

 

Takes longer but then adds more interest if they are dumb enough to think I won't go all the way to court for a second time!

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You can use the following text, it sometimes works - although, be prepared for the fact that Halifax will threaten to close your account and in some cases they have done so.

 

I have previously asserted my right to have these charges returned as unlawful and will have no hesitation in doing so again. Please return this money within 7 days otherwise I will immediately raise an action against you without further notice.

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I'll definately be using that.

 

And they can't close my account because I already have- as I haven't used it in years anyway- apart from taking their partial payment out!

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Littlewoods- no CCA letter 03/09/08- Lowells now

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I phoned the court today and they say both allocation questionnaires have been filed, have gone up to a judge, and I should be hearing about a court date in 10 days.

 

On to the copies of information listed on the draft directions. So, I've got to include a schedule of charges (check), copies of statements showing charges (check), Statement of evidence (need help with that one) and copies of decided cases, legal materials (court bundle? plus limitations stuff?).

 

Time to stat getting more printer/copier ink- is it three copies of each? Me, Halifax and the court?

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Redcats UK- SAR 14/04/09

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Emma, there is no rush for this, you may not need to do it - wait until you hear from the court. Halifax tend to pay out once the court date is set. Prepare by all means, but don't start printing anything just yet.

 

If it comes to it however, come back and we can work on the statement and the rest of the bundle, ok?

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Thanks, hagenuk.

 

Was I getting a bit ahead of myself again?

 

Its okay, I've only copied all my statements- I can always get a shredder and recycle if I don't need them!

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Apex- CCA 14/08/08

Redcats UK- SAR 14/04/09

Call Serve- CCA 14/08/08

Littlewoods- no CCA letter 03/09/08- Lowells now

Wescot- CCA 19/9/08

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I do want to include the Limitations Act though because I've got charges over six years old in the claim.

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Redcats UK- SAR 14/04/09

Call Serve- CCA 14/08/08

Littlewoods- no CCA letter 03/09/08- Lowells now

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I haven't been around for a while, our computer broke down- we've managed to cobble together an almost working patchwork. Thank goodness we haven't received any word about the draft directions. If the judge had decided to go with the directions, we would receive notice from the court, wouldn't we?

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Yes Emma, they would write to you with the order. However, there is nothing stopping you telephone the court and, quoting your claim number, ask the clerk if there is any progress with your claim.

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I've been dreading the post, with no access to my previously sent letters, court bundle etc.

 

Why do computers blow up at just the wrong time!

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Call Serve- CCA 14/08/08

Littlewoods- no CCA letter 03/09/08- Lowells now

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Well, I've got my court date through- 21st June.

 

The judge didn't go with my draft direction though- apparently this judge sticks to 21 days to enter court bundle for all bank charges cases, no matter what.

 

So, do I include Limitation Act info in my court bundle, as some charges are over 6 years, to cover any bank arguments before they manage them?

 

And I have to write a statement covering the case- anyone who's done one as an example I can see?

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Redcats UK- SAR 14/04/09

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Littlewoods- no CCA letter 03/09/08- Lowells now

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Apex- CCA 14/08/08

Redcats UK- SAR 14/04/09

Call Serve- CCA 14/08/08

Littlewoods- no CCA letter 03/09/08- Lowells now

Wescot- CCA 19/9/08

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There is no duty on the you as the Claimant to refer to the Limitation Act in any way. Even the court does not have a duty to refer to it if the Defendants have failed to raise the matter for any reason including oversight.

 

If the defendants want to rely upon the Limitation Act then it is they who must raise the issue and plead it. Have they mentioned it in their defence?

 

Notwithstanding this, I would include it in any case, using the argument that the charges were concealed and citing s.32 (1) (b) Limitation Act 1980, on the grounds that the you, the Claimant, could not reasonably have discovered the Defendant’s concealment of the unlawful nature of these charges before the publication in April 2006 of the Office of Fair Trading’s report on penalty charges and of course, pay special attention to this thread.

 

http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/general/80486-claiming-beyond-6-yrs.html

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Thanks hagenuk. I'm going to include it, just so I'm covered. I've just got to get the ruddy printer to work for this bundle!

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Littlewoods- no CCA letter 03/09/08- Lowells now

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Right, so in the court bundle, correspondence- is that just letters I sent TO the Halifax, or from both directions? I want to include the Limitations Act, where do I put my response to their defence?

 

I don't understand what I'm doing?!!!??? Help!!!!!!:confused:

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Littlewoods- no CCA letter 03/09/08- Lowells now

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Help!!!! I need to do this tonight!!!!

 

Can someone who has been through this please help me???!!!

 

I need to send off my info, as per the judges direction, tomorrow!!

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Thanks- its urgent!!!

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Redcats UK- SAR 14/04/09

Call Serve- CCA 14/08/08

Littlewoods- no CCA letter 03/09/08- Lowells now

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Right, so in the court bundle, correspondence- is that just letters I sent TO the Halifax, or from both directions?

 

Make copies of their replies if you can and include them.

 

I want to include the Limitations Act, where do I put my response to their defence?

 

What are you asking here?

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Right, so I got back my Notice of Allocation to the Small Claims Track (Hearing) letter for the court. It says

"Claimant do within 21 days of the date of this order, serve a schedule setting out the amount of individual charges, the dates they were applied to the account and the reasons given for such charges."

 

I thought this meant that I had to send them my court bundle- I think I have messed up- I thought I had to send a response to their defence????

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Littlewoods- no CCA letter 03/09/08- Lowells now

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That is your schedule of charges, that is all. The Judge wants to see each charge, the date you were charged it and the reason it was charged, for example.

 

10/05/2002 Returned Cheque Fee £20.00

13/05/2002 Arrears Admin Fee £25.00

21/06/2002 Sundry £25.00

 

You do not need to send a response to their defence, unless you particularly wish too, have you got a response that you would like to send? If not, then post their defence here and we can advise you.

 

However, the immediate requirement is to file your schedule with the court.

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So I only do the claim bundle and a response to their defense when I go to court on the 21 June?

 

PS I am a complete idiot, aren't I- I really know b******* all.

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Apex- CCA 14/08/08

Redcats UK- SAR 14/04/09

Call Serve- CCA 14/08/08

Littlewoods- no CCA letter 03/09/08- Lowells now

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Emma, what else did you get from the court when they sent you notice of the date for the hearing?

 

Unless directed otherwise, the general rule is that you file with the court and send to the Defendants any documents that you intend to rely on 14 days before any hearing. Therefore, I would make sure that you file your schedule of charges tomorrow and ensure that before 7 June both the Court and Halifax have a court bundle from you. Ok?

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Thanks Haganuk, AGAIN.:o

 

I am in uncharted territory here, (my other cases were all settled before this stage) and I am floundering.

 

I'll get this schedule into the court (with a further copy to the Halifax- might wake them up!) tomorrow.

 

I've been too busy recently, trying to make sure I get an operation I need (ain't the NHS brilliant), so my mind has been on other things. I think I got mixed up with the new draft directions.

 

Thank you once again.

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