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    • further polished WS using above suggestions and also included couple of more modifications highlighted in orange are those ok to include?   Background   1.1  The Defendant received the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) on the 06th of January 2020 following the vehicle being parked at Arla Old Dairy, South Ruislip on the 05th of December 2019.   Unfair PCN   2.1  On 19th December 2023 the Defendant sent the Claimant's solicitors a CPR request.  As shown in Exhibit 1 (pages 7-13) sent by the solicitors the signage displayed in their evidence clearly shows a £60.00 parking charge notice (which will be reduced to £30 if paid within 14 days of issue).  2.2  Yet the PCN sent by the Claimant is for a £100.00 parking charge notice (reduced to £60 if paid within 30 days of issue).   2.3        The Claimant relies on signage to create a contract.  It is unlawful for the Claimant to write that the charge is £60 on their signs and then send demands for £100.    2.4        The unlawful £100 charge is also the basis for the Claimant's Particulars of Claim.  No Locus Standi  3.1  I do not believe a contract with the landowner, that is provided following the defendant’s CPR request, gives MET Parking Services a right to bring claims in their own name. Definition of “Relevant contract” from the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4,  2 [1] means a contract Including a contract arising only when the vehicle was parked on the relevant land between the driver and a person who is-   (a) the owner or occupier of the land; or   (b) Authorised, under or by virtue of arrangements made by the owner or occupier of the land, to enter into a contract with the driver requiring the payment of parking charges in respect of the parking of the vehicle on the land. According to https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/46/section/44   For a contract to be valid, it requires a director from each company to sign and then two independent witnesses must confirm those signatures.   3.2  The Defendant requested to see such a contract in the CPR request.  The fact that no contract has been produced with the witness signatures present means the contract has not been validly executed. Therefore, there can be no contract established between MET Parking Services and the motorist. Even if “Parking in Electric Bay” could form a contract (which it cannot), it is immaterial. There is no valid contract.  Illegal Conduct – No Contract Formed   4.1 At the time of writing, the Claimant has failed to provide the following, in response to the CPR request from myself.   4.2        The legal contract between the Claimant and the landowner (which in this case is Standard Life Investments UK) to provide evidence that there is an agreement in place with landowner with the necessary authority to issue parking charge notices and to pursue payment by means of litigation.   4.3 Proof of planning permission granted for signage etc under the Town and country Planning Act 1990. Lack of planning permission is a criminal offence under this Act and no contract can be formed where criminality is involved.   4.4        I also do not believe the claimant possesses these documents.   No Keeper Liability   5.1        The defendant was not the driver at the time and date mentioned in the PCN and the claimant has not established keeper liability under schedule 4 of the PoFA 2012. In this matter, the defendant puts it to the claimant to produce strict proof as to who was driving at the time.   5.2 The claimant in their Notice To Keeper also failed to comply with PoFA 2012 Schedule 4 section 9[2][f] while mentioning “the right to recover from the keeper so much of that parking charge as remains unpaid” where they did not include statement “(if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met)”.     5.3         The claimant did not mention parking period, times on the photographs are separate from the PCN and in any case are that arrival and departure times not the parking period since their times include driving to and from the parking space as a minimum and can include extra time to allow pedestrians and other vehicles to pass in front.    Protection of Freedoms Act 2012   The notice must -   (a) specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates;  22. In the persuasive judgement K4GF167G - Premier Park Ltd v Mr Mathur - Horsham County Court – 5 January 2024 it was on this very point that the judge dismissed this claim.  5.4  A the PCN does not comply with the Act the Defendant as keeper is not liable.  No Breach of Contract   6.1       No breach of contract occurred because the PCN and contract provided as part of the defendant’s CPR request shows different post code, PCN shows HA4 0EY while contract shows HA4 0FY. According to PCN defendant parked on HA4 0EY which does not appear to be subject to the postcode covered by the contract.  6.2         The entrance sign does not mention anything about there being other terms inside the car park so does not offer a contract which makes it only an offer to treat,  Interest  7.1  It is unreasonable for the Claimant to delay litigation for  Double Recovery   7.2  The claim is littered with made-up charges.  7.3  As noted above, the Claimant's signs state a £60 charge yet their PCN is for £100.  7.4  As well as the £100 parking charge, the Claimant seeks recovery of an additional £70.  This is simply a poor attempt to circumvent the legal costs cap at small claims.  7.5 Since 2019, many County Courts have considered claims in excess of £100 to be an abuse of process leading to them being struck out ab initio. An example, in the Caernarfon Court in VCS v Davies, case No. FTQZ4W28 on 4th September 2019, District Judge Jones-Evans stated “Upon it being recorded that District Judge Jones- Evans has over a very significant period of time warned advocates (...) in many cases of this nature before this court that their claim for £60 is unenforceable in law and is an abuse of process and is nothing more than a poor attempt to go behind the decision of the Supreme Court v Beavis which inter alia decided that a figure of £160 as a global sum claimed in this case would be a penalty and not a genuine pre-estimate of loss and therefore unenforceable in law and if the practice continued, he would treat all cases as a claim for £160 and therefore a penalty and unenforceable in law it is hereby declared (…) the claim is struck out and declared to be wholly without merit and an abuse of process.”  7.6 In Claim Nos. F0DP806M and F0DP201T, District Judge Taylor echoed earlier General Judgment or Orders of District Judge Grand, stating ''It is ordered that the claim is struck out as an abuse of process. The claim contains a substantial charge additional to the parking charge which it is alleged the Defendant contracted to pay. This additional charge is not recoverabl15e under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4 nor with reference to the judgment in Parking Eye v Beavis. It is an abuse of process from the Claimant to issue a knowingly inflated claim for an additional sum which it is not entitled to recover. This order has been made by the court of its own initiative without a hearing pursuant to CPR Rule 3.3(4)) of the Civil Procedure Rules 1998...''  7.7 In the persuasive case of G4QZ465V - Excel Parking Services Ltd v Wilkinson – Bradford County Court -2 July 2020 (Exhibit 4) the judge had decided that Excel had won. However, due to Excel adding on the £60 the Judge dismissed the case.  7.8        The addition of costs not previously specified on signage are also in breach of the Consumer Rights Act 2015, Schedule 2, specifically paras 6, 10 and 14.   7.9        It is the Defendant’s position that the Claimant in this case has knowingly submitted inflated costs and thus the entire claim should be similarly struck out in accordance with Civil Procedure Rule 3.3(4).   In Conclusion   8.1        I invite the court to dismiss the claim.  Statement of Truth  I believe that the facts stated in this witness statement are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.   
    • Well the difference is that in all our other cases It was Kev who was trying to entrap the motorist so sticking two fingers up to him and daring him to try court was from a position of strength. In your case, sorry, you made a mistake so you're not in the position of strength.  I've looked on Google Maps and the signs are few & far between as per Kev's MO, but there is an entrance sign saying "Pay & Display" (and you've admitted in writing that you knew you had to pay) and the signs by the payment machines do say "Sea View Car Park" (and you've admitted in writing you paid the wrong car park ... and maybe outed yourself as the driver). Something I missed in my previous post is that the LoC is only for one ticket, not two. Sorry, but it's impossible to definitively advise what to so. Personally I'd probably gamble on Kev being a serial bottler of court and reply with a snotty letter ridiculing the signage (given you mentioned the signage in your appeal) - but it is a gamble.  
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This is a very long story and I’m praying someone can help before the morning! 

 

I have a HP finance agreement with Motonovo which is 48% paid (according to their website).

In August 2018, I started to get in arrears on the account.

 

In a nutshell, I had to flee the address I was at due to domestic violence (my ex partner was convicted) and in all honesty, completely buried my head in the sand regarding the agreement. 

 

Move forward to last Friday.

A card was pushed through my door from DG Collections regarding my Motonovo agreement.

I contacted the agent straight away who explained he had a court issued Return of Goods order to tow the vehicle if I could not pay the arrears of £3800 including fees by Tuesday  10th Sept. 

 

Yesterday, I called Motonovo to plead with them, explained everything had been sent to my old address, did not know it was at this stage and requested an extension of 7-14 days to gather the funds (I am awaiting payment of a personal injury claim who have until Monday 16th to pay me).

 

The individual was extremely helpful, advised they would put a hold on enforcement action for 24 hours while they fully reviewed the account and asked me to complete and income and expenditure document (which I did immediately). They said they would call me at some point today to discuss and the phone call was positive. 

I let the enforcement agent know, and they also emailed him. 

 

Roll on the 9:40pm tonight.

By this point I have not heard anything from Motonovo and I have assumed they were still reviewing the account. 

 

I hear someone knocking about outside.

I go out (it’s a shared car park for a number of properties) and the agent is there putting a clamp on my car!

He was ‘nice’ if you will, said nothing is happening at the moment but Motonovo instructed him to do this at 6:15pm. 

 

I explained the conversation I’d had with Motonovo yesterday but he simply said the 24 hours had passed now, and they instructed him at 6:15pm to do this.

I said I was waiting to hear from them and I haven’t been told otherwise.

 

He told me to speak to them first thing in the morning, when they open at 8am. He is currently sat off in his recovery truck somewhere. 

 

I have no idea what to do.

Motonovo have led me to believe everything would be okay, I would get an extension and things would be sorted.

I was left waiting for their call but in the meantime they have been telling the enforcement agent to carry on doing what he’s doing?! 

 

Is there anything I can do in the morning to save my car.

I desperately need it for my work.

I WILL have the funds very soon, but not until Monday.

All I needed was an extension which Motonovo led me to believe was fine yesterday. 

 

Is there a way to go to court quickly to have this reviewed?

Is there a way to get the clamp removed legally in the morning? 

All the paperwork was sent to my old address so I’ve never seen anything to do with this. 

 

I’m sorry if it comes across a little disjointed, I’m typing furiously just to get everything down. 

 

Thank you 

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DG collections are in most car repo cases NOT BAILIFFS and have zero legal powers to clamp anything.

 

private clamping was outlawed in 2012.

ring him up

give him 5 mins to get his clamp off of YOUR CAR

else you'll be calling the police.

dx

 

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DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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Can you help me with this at all?

 

On their website it says they are allowed to do this.

 

If I contact him and ask him to take it off - what leg am I quoting? 

 

While he is okay to speak to, he’s currently in his recovery truck and is going to try and take the car tomorrow if I don’t pay! 

 

I am waiting to speak to the police on 101 now. The car is parked on a car park, the way our houses are...we basically back on to a shared car park. I don’t know if this is private or public land. He advised that the return of goods order means he can come onto private property to seize the vehicle? 

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ask him a direct question.

is he operating under the direct orders of the court as a court appointed bailiff or as a debt collector for motonova 

I suspect the latter.

 

the fact he has a copy of the ROG is immaterial at this stage

 

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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if he is not operating as a court appointed bailiff he has no powers to do anything.

 

can you scan up this card or anything else he's given you, both sides to ONE MULTIPAGE PDF

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NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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I have spoken to him.

He is appointed by Motonovo to apply to clamp?

 

He advised he’s not a private clamper and won’t be removing the clamp.

I have asked police for help, just waiting on them now.

He told me to call the police but he won’t remove the clamp? 

 

The police are advising they won’t get involved as it’s a civil matter.

The lady from the police said there would’ve been small print somewhere in the agreement saying they can clamp on this basis?

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total garbage.

there is nothing within the consumer credit act that allows private clamping of a car should you fall upon hard times.

 

the ONLY person that can clamp or take you car in this instance is a court appointed bailiff operating under the direct instructions of a court order.

and i'm not even sure if a ROG gives that power either.

 

can you get atleast that card scanned up please.

 

p's it also doesn't look like DG collections as bailiffs are authorised to do this going by their website.

says nothing about ROG's or court orders under that section.

 

sadly we've seen this numerous times before here whereby a car repo guy thinks an ROG in his hand gives him special powers, it DOES NOT.

 

dx

 

 

 

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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I don’t have the card anymore.

 

Once I took the number down, I must have put it in the bin.

 

He’s read my last message asking his powers etc but not replied.

 

He’s insisting he won’t take the clamp off because Motonovo have allowed him to apply it in the first place?

 

I think he’s turned his phone off now. What can I do now at this hour?

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hes talking bowlarks...

 

tell him games up mate

you are not a bailiff

you are a powerless repo agent 

you have no legal powers whatsoever

and private clamping was outlawed in 2012

 

remove your clamp NOW or I will sue you personally for the distress and loss of earning I will suffer as I cannot get to work in the morning.

 

the fact you have a copy of a court issued return of goods order does NOT give you any magic legal powers whatsoever if you are NOT a certified bailiff operating under the direct orders of the issuing court.

 

you do realise its a criminal offence to impersonate a bailiff ??

and I now have the evidence.....

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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probably bricking himself.

 

you need to take this the whole way 

I will gather that ofcourse nowhere other than you using it - has the word bailiff been mentioned at all??

 

I am seriously shocked that this guy, who must know his job inside outside, has taken the gamble of clamping a car for a return of goods order he knows gives him no special powers if he has not been certified as a bailiff and directly ordered by a court to do it.

he is in very serious trouble here.

 

dx

 

do you know his name? [don't post it here]

 

go get the card out the bin.

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DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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The car park you mentioned where your vehicle is, is there any CCTV from anywhere overlooking the area?

I'd be on the car park early tomorrow, to prevent him from removing the vehicle, like dx has said private clamping was outlawed in 2012 and he's in serious trouble.

 

If you can get a photograph of him (discreetly) and call the company he operates from to tell them you are suing them for acting in this manner.

 

Get onto Moto Novo first thing also and demand to speak to a manager, but keep calm.

 

Then obviously speak to your employer and either explain your situation or request an urgent annual leave day so you get paid, if that's possible?

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well go photograph your car clamped now

including any ID from the clamp to prove the owner of it.

 

pers i'd be on the phone to DG's at 8am tomorrow

tell them they have 30mins to come remove their illegally used clamp

and you will be suing them and their repo guy 

 

He is appointed by Motonovo to apply to clamp?

that's not what a bailiff would say.

motonova cant appoint anyone to clamp a car.

 

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DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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Thank you for your advice.

 

I have already requested leave from my employer.

 

The clamp is certainly not being removed tonight. He’s stopped replying to me presumably because he knows I am right. I’m worried his next step will be to just remove the vehicle in the morning? 

 

He told me to contact the finance company first thing (they open at 8am) but when can he remove the car, surely that’s anytime. I’m going to get up around 5:30am in the morning. I’m going to ask my partner to block in my car on the car park so he can’t just take it. 

 

Theres unlikely to be any CCTV but I will check. 

 

As far as I know, he is the director of the company he is operating from! It seems a very small operation And I doubt I’d get anyway. 

 

Tried speaking to police again but just informed it was a civil matter. 

 

Yes I know his name.

 

I assume the finance company has chosen this company because they act in this unlawful way. 

 

I feel sick to be honest. It’s incredibly stressful. I just needed a week or two. I knew I was in arrears, but since I’ve become aware of the severity, I’ve acted quickly and it isn’t good enough it seems. 

 

The thing is - if he removes the clamp in the morning, won’t he just repossess the car instead? He’s come in a recovery truck. He’s parked somewhere on my estate I presume. 

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what carryout an illegal repossession as well as an illegal clamping.

 

pers i'd let him and film it on your phone.

 

go see if he is registered

 

https://certificatedbailiffs.justice.gov.uk/searchPublic.do?search=

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DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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[email protected],

[email protected]

 

neither are registered bailiffs.

 

 

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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oh it gets better and better......

they are not even regulated to handle debtors money according to the FCA register for DG Collection Services Ltd

 

the only thing that valid is that motonova got a backdoor ROG because you didn't?? update them with your correct address.

 

stuff and all this bunch of COWBOYS can do to you.

I wonder how long this has been going on.

 

I wonder who their registered bailiffs really are then.

they claim to have bailiffs on their website

though ofcourse anyone cam make a website!!

 

pers i'd be getting an angle grinder and taking that illegal clamp off your car.

stuff and all they can do to you if you do.

 

call the police 1st thing in the morning

tell them your car has been illegally clamped

and you WILL be cutting the clamp off at o'clock

and you wish them there to prevent a breach of the peace.

 

oh I do like a good thread before bedtime.

 

dx

 

 

 

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DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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It’s funny you say that because whenever he’s talked about payment, he’s told me to pay Motonovo, not him. I did wonder why. 

 

Do you fancy coming to Liverpool to help me with this? Haha you’ve been so helpful! 

 

I would consider removing the clamp myself but I don’t want to be arrested.

 

I’m a 28 year old woman, I’m not confrontational enough. 

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Apologies, I don't wish to offend but that's what these cowboys rely on. Intimidation so you'll pay up or give up.

 

I am supporting someone in a similar position, so I know what your going through.

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you or whomever does it can't be arrested for removing a clamp illegally fitted.

clamping by private organisations was outlawed in 2012.

 

as I said, I don't even think a bailiff can clamp a car for an ROG, but that's pretty immaterial now after what we know.

 

has this muppet claimed to you he is a bailiff?

 

 

 

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DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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He’s never said he’s a bailiff no. When I asked him over the phone he’s mumbled something about being appointed by Motonovo as an enforcement agent and that was it. 

 

I’ve sent him numerous messages now about the legalities of what he’s doing. I informed him that I would be informing the police that the car is illegally clamped and it is in his interests to remove it. 

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no creditor can appoint any member of joe public to be an enforcement agent.

 

FWIW..our spies in the background have sent me this:

 

http://certificatedbailiffs.justice.gov.uk/searchPublic.do?search=DG+Collection+Services+Ltd

he'll be pleased his certification might be being abused or be known to be associated with the possible illegal actions by the directors of the company he is registered too..

 

time to start tightening the screw.

.in the morning go ring the court that issued the ROG, i suspect it was northants bulk court?

Their telephone number is: 0300 123 1056 . ask them if the person that fitted the clamp is a certified enforcement agent.

when they say no . tell them what has happened and that you wish to complain to the highest authority to seek redress against this unlawful clamping and who is this please?

 

record ALL phonecalls and especially film anything the bod latterly does..

I suspect a third party will appear rather promptly and secretly remove the clamp during the night.

 

sorry DG ..you've been DX'd

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please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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