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    • Thank-you dx, What you have written is certainly helpful to my understanding. The only thing I would say, what I found to be most worrying and led me to start this discussion is, I believe the judge did not merely admonish the defendant in the case in question, but used that point to dismiss the case in the claimants favour. To me, and I don't have your experience or knowledge, that is somewhat troubling. Again, the caveat being that we don't know exactly what went on but I think we can infer the reason for the judgement. Thank-you for your feedback. EDIT: I guess that the case I refer to is only one case and it may never happen again and the strategy not to appeal is still the best strategy even in this event, but I really did find the outcome of that case, not only extremely annoying but also worrying. Let's hope other judges are not quite so narrow minded and don't get fixated on one particular issue as FTMDave alluded to.
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    • the claimant in their WS can refer to whatever previous CC judgements they like, as we do in our WS's, but CC judgements do not set a legal precedence. however, they do often refer to judgements like Bevis, those cases do created a precedence as they were court of appeal rulings. as for if the defendant, prior to the raising of a claim, dobbed themselves in as the driver in writing during any appeal to the PPC, i don't think we've seen one case whereby the claimant referred to such in their WS.. ?? but they certainly typically include said appeal letters in their exhibits. i certainly dont think it's a good idea to 'remind' them of such at the defence stage, even if the defendant did admit such in a written appeal. i would further go as far to say, that could be even more damaging to the whole case than a judge admonishing a defendant for not appealing to the PPC in the 1st place. it sort of blows the defendant out the water before the judge reads anything else. dx  
    • Hi LFI, Your knowledge in this area is greater than I could possibly hope to have and as such I appreciate your feedback. I'm not sure that I agree the reason why a barrister would say that, only to get new customers, I'm sure he must have had professional experience in this area that qualifies him to make that point. 🙂 In your point 1 you mention: 1] there is a real danger that some part of the appeal will point out that the person appealing [the keeper ] is also the driver. I understand the point you are making but I was referring to when the keeper is also the driver and admits it later and only in this circumstance, but I understand what you are saying. I take on board the issues you raise in point 2. Is it possible that a PPC (claimant) could refer back to the case above as proof that the motorist should have appealed, like they refer back to other cases? Thanks once again for the feedback.
    • Well barristers would say that in the hope that motorists would go to them for advice -obviously paid advice.  The problem with appealing is at least twofold. 1] there is a real danger that some part of the appeal will point out that the person appealing [the keeper ] is also the driver.  And in a lot of cases the last thing the keeper wants when they are also the driver is that the parking company knows that. It makes it so much easier for them as the majority  of Judges do not accept that the keeper and the driver are the same person for obvious reasons. Often they are not the same person especially when it is a family car where the husband, wife and children are all insured to drive the same car. On top of that  just about every person who has a valid insurance policy is able to drive another person's vehicle. So there are many possibilities and it should be up to the parking company to prove it to some extent.  Most parking company's do not accept appeals under virtually any circumstances. But insist that you carry on and appeal to their so called impartial jury who are often anything but impartial. By turning down that second appeal, many motorists pay up because they don't know enough about PoFA to argue with those decisions which brings us to the second problem. 2] the major parking companies are mostly unscrupulous, lying cheating scrotes. So when you appeal and your reasons look as if they would have merit in Court, they then go about  concocting a Witness Statement to debunk that challenge. We feel that by leaving what we think are the strongest arguments to our Member's Witness Statements, it leaves insufficient time to be thwarted with their lies etc. And when the motorists defence is good enough to win, it should win regardless of when it is first produced.   
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As stated the car has warranty and the car is going to an independent garage for the knock to be assessed. The garage will then speak with the warranty company and decide if anything will be fixed. As you can see from the email the dealer sent me,he is suggesting miss use and using the new MOT in his defense.

 

I'll report back in due course. Thanks again for the input.

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The MOT is only valid as to the road worthy of the vehicle at the time it was tested, and only those things that are tested as part of that MOT

 

The dealer is blowing hot air

 

Just like the car's blower on cold setting.

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I was looking to go see a car on their website today, also my girlfriend needs a new car after her engine failed last week.

 

Im glad that I saw this post! I will get something in writing 2 cover myself from them before I buy anything.

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You cannot have your statutory rights taken away even if you signed a chit saying you relinquish all right and have it witnessed. It can't be done and will not be recognised in court.

 

Make certain you take a minimum test drive of 10 miles and try to include dual carriageway and a steep hill. An around the block test is no good and will show up nothing. If they try and limit your test drive by saying there is no fuel in the car, then either say no to that car, (no matter how nice it looks), or tell him you will put in a couple of gallons. If you do the latter and they say no, then you'll know instantly to walk away.

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I was looking to go see a car on their website today, also my girlfriend needs a new car after her engine failed last week.

 

Im glad that I saw this post! I will get something in writing 2 cover myself from them before I buy anything.

 

I would advise against it. There are other issues that I am not making public because of legal reasons.

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So the plot thickens.

 

The Garage just called and confirmed that the rear wishbone bushes are shot and a CV boot is split.

 

They haven't got an answer from the warranty company as yet.

 

I asked the garage if the car should have passed the MOT and he said NO.

 

The MOT was done on the day I bought the car and only had an advisory for a tyre.

 

What should I do next please ?

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The testing center if not named will have their number on the certificate. As he said the test was done at an RAC test center, you report that test center to both the

 

RAC - Mr David Bizley Technical Director - [email protected]

Mr Chris Woodhouse Chief Executive - [email protected]

 

and the DVSA - [email protected]

 

You copy the report that you have been given and send it by recorded delivery to the seller and give him 14 days to do a refund stating further action will be taken if not actioned.

 

After the 14 days if he hasn't, then you send a letter before action saying the same thing and ending with action will be taken in 7 days without any further notice.

 

Don't threaten court if you won't go through with it though. People like this rely on the threat being bull and the customer not going through with it so making a threat and then not following it up plays right into their hands.

 

You could also write to the editor of your local paper, sometimes they will like to get their hands dirty and investigate as it would give them a good story.

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That vehicle is now no longer your propery, you have rejected it

 

The car is the problem of both the mechanics and Profiled Cars

 

Profiled Cars have committed an offence by selling you an unroadworthy car. And the MoT testing station that passed it also committed an offence. Tell Profiled Cars that if they do not refund your money immediately and take the car back you will sue them in the small claims track of the county court for breach of contract by selling you an unroadworthy car, you will bring a criminal prosecution against Profiled Cars r for selling you an unroadworthy car, and you will take steps to have the licence of the MoT station withdrawn by VOSA for illegally passing an unroadworthy car.

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That vehicle is now no longer is your propery, you have rejected it

 

The car is the problem of both the mechanics and Profiled Cars

 

Profiled Cars have committed an offence by selling you an unroadworthy car. And the MoT testing station that passed it also committed an offence. Tell Profiled Cars that if they do not refund your money immediately and take the car back you will sue them in the small claims track of the county court for breach of contract by selling you an unroadworthy car, you will bring a criminal prosecution against Profiled Cars r for selling you an unroadworthy car, and you will take steps to have the licence of the MoT station withdrawn by VOSA for illegally passing an unroadworthy car.

 

Sounds good in principle but as I say the dealer has already started to suggest miss use. I don't think he's going to roll over but I'm mad as hell now tbh. No car either.

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so....

 

a bent MOT as well as the 'niggles'

 

What an idiot the dealer must be. It beggars belief - it's just a stupid thing to do.

 

I hope it all works out for the OP

 

I hope so also and further, I hope they don't let this rest.

 

For info OD, VOSA is now DVSA (Driver & Vehicle Standards Agency)

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Use the template in post 8

 

Mention Vosa and section 75 Road Traffic Act and selling an unroadworthy Vehicle as well

 

Ask the mechanic at this garage if you can have a copy of the report with the faults listed on the QT

 

Thanks - I'm not sure what template that is ?

 

So I called DVSA and they said I could challenge the MOT and they would call me in 5 days. The warranty company have refused to pay anything at all. The repairs cost £320.00 for both front wishbone rear bushes and a CV boot. Not a happy bunny now.

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I emailed them about buying a car and to confirm they will cover any faults found as I heard from someone else about issues (here). They said this:

 

 

We refund all genuine claims, we sell at least 5 cars per week and have never had any problems yet, unfortunately there are some low intelligence people out there, who are not reasonable , this must be one, we have traded for 12 years no problem

 

Regards Px

 

I wont go near them now, very obvious they are dodgy, and insulting their customers.

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I emailed them about buying a car and to confirm they will cover any faults found as I heard from someone else about issues (here). They said this:

 

 

 

 

I wont go near them now, very obvious they are dodgy, and insulting their customers.

 

i was looking at car on their site & checked google reveiws

 

 

looks like this guy got a van with iffy tyres even tho it had a mot ! then i saw this post to !

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