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    • further polished WS using above suggestions and also included couple of more modifications highlighted in orange are those ok to include?   Background   1.1  The Defendant received the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) on the 06th of January 2020 following the vehicle being parked at Arla Old Dairy, South Ruislip on the 05th of December 2019.   Unfair PCN   2.1  On 19th December 2023 the Defendant sent the Claimant's solicitors a CPR request.  As shown in Exhibit 1 (pages 7-13) sent by the solicitors the signage displayed in their evidence clearly shows a £60.00 parking charge notice (which will be reduced to £30 if paid within 14 days of issue).  2.2  Yet the PCN sent by the Claimant is for a £100.00 parking charge notice (reduced to £60 if paid within 30 days of issue).   2.3        The Claimant relies on signage to create a contract.  It is unlawful for the Claimant to write that the charge is £60 on their signs and then send demands for £100.    2.4        The unlawful £100 charge is also the basis for the Claimant's Particulars of Claim.  No Locus Standi  3.1  I do not believe a contract with the landowner, that is provided following the defendant’s CPR request, gives MET Parking Services a right to bring claims in their own name. Definition of “Relevant contract” from the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4,  2 [1] means a contract Including a contract arising only when the vehicle was parked on the relevant land between the driver and a person who is-   (a) the owner or occupier of the land; or   (b) Authorised, under or by virtue of arrangements made by the owner or occupier of the land, to enter into a contract with the driver requiring the payment of parking charges in respect of the parking of the vehicle on the land. According to https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/46/section/44   For a contract to be valid, it requires a director from each company to sign and then two independent witnesses must confirm those signatures.   3.2  The Defendant requested to see such a contract in the CPR request.  The fact that no contract has been produced with the witness signatures present means the contract has not been validly executed. Therefore, there can be no contract established between MET Parking Services and the motorist. Even if “Parking in Electric Bay” could form a contract (which it cannot), it is immaterial. There is no valid contract.  Illegal Conduct – No Contract Formed   4.1 At the time of writing, the Claimant has failed to provide the following, in response to the CPR request from myself.   4.2        The legal contract between the Claimant and the landowner (which in this case is Standard Life Investments UK) to provide evidence that there is an agreement in place with landowner with the necessary authority to issue parking charge notices and to pursue payment by means of litigation.   4.3 Proof of planning permission granted for signage etc under the Town and country Planning Act 1990. Lack of planning permission is a criminal offence under this Act and no contract can be formed where criminality is involved.   4.4        I also do not believe the claimant possesses these documents.   No Keeper Liability   5.1        The defendant was not the driver at the time and date mentioned in the PCN and the claimant has not established keeper liability under schedule 4 of the PoFA 2012. In this matter, the defendant puts it to the claimant to produce strict proof as to who was driving at the time.   5.2 The claimant in their Notice To Keeper also failed to comply with PoFA 2012 Schedule 4 section 9[2][f] while mentioning “the right to recover from the keeper so much of that parking charge as remains unpaid” where they did not include statement “(if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met)”.     5.3         The claimant did not mention parking period, times on the photographs are separate from the PCN and in any case are that arrival and departure times not the parking period since their times include driving to and from the parking space as a minimum and can include extra time to allow pedestrians and other vehicles to pass in front.    Protection of Freedoms Act 2012   The notice must -   (a) specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates;  22. In the persuasive judgement K4GF167G - Premier Park Ltd v Mr Mathur - Horsham County Court – 5 January 2024 it was on this very point that the judge dismissed this claim.  5.4  A the PCN does not comply with the Act the Defendant as keeper is not liable.  No Breach of Contract   6.1       No breach of contract occurred because the PCN and contract provided as part of the defendant’s CPR request shows different post code, PCN shows HA4 0EY while contract shows HA4 0FY. According to PCN defendant parked on HA4 0EY which does not appear to be subject to the postcode covered by the contract.  6.2         The entrance sign does not mention anything about there being other terms inside the car park so does not offer a contract which makes it only an offer to treat,  Interest  7.1  It is unreasonable for the Claimant to delay litigation for  Double Recovery   7.2  The claim is littered with made-up charges.  7.3  As noted above, the Claimant's signs state a £60 charge yet their PCN is for £100.  7.4  As well as the £100 parking charge, the Claimant seeks recovery of an additional £70.  This is simply a poor attempt to circumvent the legal costs cap at small claims.  7.5 Since 2019, many County Courts have considered claims in excess of £100 to be an abuse of process leading to them being struck out ab initio. An example, in the Caernarfon Court in VCS v Davies, case No. FTQZ4W28 on 4th September 2019, District Judge Jones-Evans stated “Upon it being recorded that District Judge Jones- Evans has over a very significant period of time warned advocates (...) in many cases of this nature before this court that their claim for £60 is unenforceable in law and is an abuse of process and is nothing more than a poor attempt to go behind the decision of the Supreme Court v Beavis which inter alia decided that a figure of £160 as a global sum claimed in this case would be a penalty and not a genuine pre-estimate of loss and therefore unenforceable in law and if the practice continued, he would treat all cases as a claim for £160 and therefore a penalty and unenforceable in law it is hereby declared (…) the claim is struck out and declared to be wholly without merit and an abuse of process.”  7.6 In Claim Nos. F0DP806M and F0DP201T, District Judge Taylor echoed earlier General Judgment or Orders of District Judge Grand, stating ''It is ordered that the claim is struck out as an abuse of process. The claim contains a substantial charge additional to the parking charge which it is alleged the Defendant contracted to pay. This additional charge is not recoverabl15e under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4 nor with reference to the judgment in Parking Eye v Beavis. It is an abuse of process from the Claimant to issue a knowingly inflated claim for an additional sum which it is not entitled to recover. This order has been made by the court of its own initiative without a hearing pursuant to CPR Rule 3.3(4)) of the Civil Procedure Rules 1998...''  7.7 In the persuasive case of G4QZ465V - Excel Parking Services Ltd v Wilkinson – Bradford County Court -2 July 2020 (Exhibit 4) the judge had decided that Excel had won. However, due to Excel adding on the £60 the Judge dismissed the case.  7.8        The addition of costs not previously specified on signage are also in breach of the Consumer Rights Act 2015, Schedule 2, specifically paras 6, 10 and 14.   7.9        It is the Defendant’s position that the Claimant in this case has knowingly submitted inflated costs and thus the entire claim should be similarly struck out in accordance with Civil Procedure Rule 3.3(4).   In Conclusion   8.1        I invite the court to dismiss the claim.  Statement of Truth  I believe that the facts stated in this witness statement are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.   
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So it seems you clearly met your master, so to speak - felt very humbled by the event and have since then modified your mind set ? :-):-)

 

BTW I'm looking foreward to a fantastic new week and what it unfolds - how about you ?:-):-)

 

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Hi All and fletch70:-)

 

UPDATE:

 

Have had a very good week and still smiling away :-)

 

Claim re-submitted to ccmcc so fingers crossed due process unfolds soon?:-)

 

Now latest news on Santander Data Protection Team Tel number 01908 344493. Up to 4th of this month this gave direct access to Matt Potter Data Protection Consultant. Had great conversations - All recorded plus explanation letters from him. All now on file. Now, when phoning, there is an answerphone service requesting a reference number from caller. It is to Santander credit that they inform callers that they may record calls to ensure they have a record of instructions from customers.

 

Of course I have records of all my conversations with Santander. They have been served a recent SARS notice by way of the Local Branch and Head office instructing them to Debit my account the Statutory £10 fee. They replied I should send monies to their Data Office et etc etc. Watch this space!! I have been informed they are now listening to these calls and are transcribing them!! Naturally I have thanked them for this additional service but have politely but firmly reminded them I must also have exact copies of these electronically digitised conversations, of which I have agreed and consented for them to take place and do so under my current account terms and conditins.:-):-)

 

The wonders of our technology - all for the good of mankind ?? :-)

If any of you are interested in the latest " I C O - D a t a P r o t e c t i o n A c t - 1 9 9 8) guidence for consumers and registered organisations go to my first ever post and click on the link - read up on it.

 

Have you joined BIBS yet ? :-)

 

Dont know who BIBS is ? Want to know who they are ? :-)

 

They are the BANKING INDUSTRY BALLBREAKERS SOCIETY !!:-)

 

Want to join ?

 

Just post a message "I'm Joining - and thank you NNWW" in this thread and you are enrolled !!:-)

 

It's that easy !:-)

 

Thats all for now - Have a lovely week everyone including fletch70:-)

 

Fletch - methinks you could be a Nationwide Disciple - not the Messiah !!:-)

 

NNWW :-)

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Hey admin - Thanks for allowing poor writers such as me the opportunity to rectifyy mistakes over passing hours - really nice

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Hi fletch70

 

Your posting is almost clear - you are not a Nationwide Disciple then ?

 

So do please explain your comment made on 2 November at 15:19 in this thread:-

 

"If you genuinely wanted to help other people you would not be playing such childish games instead of alluding to ways of beating the system, just as you did the last time you posted over a year ago"

I would like you to explain what you mean by this peculiar remark :-) and .......

 

as for your other comment - your post of 5 November at 8:43 "as for being a bankers mole I would happily tunnel under their foundations until the walls come tumbling down" , this does wear so very thinly indeed :-):-)

 

Why is that ? Well you are not registereing for BIBS membership ? GOTCHA GOTCH GOTCHA as the song goes:-)

 

Hammy1962 is also watching - so he may well join - how about it Hammy1962 - However Hammy1962 can be excused as this is a bit Fruit and Cakey like ?:-):-)

 

Lastly special news for coniff (ref your 30 October comment) >>>>>>This thread has exceeded 3000 bot visitors - your prediction was so right coniff ? :-)

 

NNWW :-) 100 % Entertainment while we wait for the curtain to rise !!:-)

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One has to assume that you are more than a few sandwiches short of the proverbial picknick:jaw:

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Hello BRIGADIER2JCS

 

Your last comment on 5th November (1st post this page) was so polite - it just had to fall short of saying "Bigger" how considerate of you ! :-):-):-)

 

And as for the above post....."One" is the opeative word - it means just you - yes just you. :-):-):-)

 

Do as I do, smile and in a while others smile and there will be miles and miles and miles of smiles :-):-):-)

 

NNWW :-):-) Hey BRIGADIER2JCS Notice I have given this post an Italian touch ! :-):-):-)

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So you need me to explain my comments

 

as for being a bankers mole I would happily tunnel under their foundations until the walls come tumbling down

 

I would sooner bring the banks crashing down the help them against an ordinary person. Now please don't take being called ordinary as an insult as you are indeed extraordinary

 

If you genuinely wanted to help other people you would not be playing such childish games instead of alluding to ways of beating the system, just as you did the last time you posted over a year ago

 

Well according to your post history there has been a long absence on these boards of over a year, who knows the reason, I suspect only you. maybe you were being detained in some institution or other , maybe you were in outer Mongolia and had no access to the internet. It's anyones guess. However apart from some advice to record all telephone calls you have not actually given any information that could actually help anyone, ok not entirely true, it has made me laugh so there you go

 

I wonder why you post on here, but why does anyone? I am sure that question could keep a roomful of mental health professionals busy for a while

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I find myself agreeing with Fletch which is very unusual if you have anything at all to say that MAY be of value to others let's here it the conduct of this 'thread' is now tedious and has no point:!::-(

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Brigadier, I did say on another thread that hell must be freezing over. I have even , on occasions found myself agreeing with one of the site team. Maybe it's me who is ill lol

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Brigadier, I did say on another thread that hell must be freezing over. I have even , on occasions found myself agreeing with one of the site team. Maybe it's me who is ill lol

 

I just heard that a Scotsman is supporting England tonight so yes, hell must have frozen over :behindsofa:

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:lalala::lalala::help::help::help::wink::???:I think we are all suffering from bright coloured text and ICON OVERLOAD!!!

 

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Hi All

 

I am more than pleased to note that the same individuals are responding so negatively to this thread. It is so indicative of their losing it completely. All of it.

 

So for the benefit of those who are wanting to avoid their postings I have listed here the important posts made by me for the benefit of other caggers and the Banks!.

 

YOU can avoid the silly tribal rantings in the thread by looking up the following posts - (Just smile to yourself , as I do - they are only human after all - I think!!):-):-)

 

Page 1 Post 15th October 2013 MAIN PRINCIPLE FOR THREAD EXPLAINED TO ALL:-)

Page 1 Post 17th October 2013 UPDATE NEWS:-)

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NNWW - :-) Hey folks it's BRIGADIER2JC definatley from the funny farm !:-) He is so peeved because he cannot get what he wants - As Del Boy would say luvly jubbly NODNOD!!

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Hi site Team - MOVING THIS THREAD WAS A FABULOUS IDEA - BYE NOW :-):-) KEEP SMILING :-):-)

NNWW :-):-):-)

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Oh By the way Site team just for your information I have 44 posts not 14 as displayed here !!!!! :-):-)

 

The two threads I have produced have all been saved Page by Page.:-):-)

 

All posts from all caggers Now "On the Record" :-):-)

 

Why ? Just in case I need to show and advise others about this site :-):-)

 

NNWW :-) :-)

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