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    • further polished WS using above suggestions and also included couple of more modifications highlighted in orange are those ok to include?   Background   1.1  The Defendant received the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) on the 06th of January 2020 following the vehicle being parked at Arla Old Dairy, South Ruislip on the 05th of December 2019.   Unfair PCN   2.1  On 19th December 2023 the Defendant sent the Claimant's solicitors a CPR request.  As shown in Exhibit 1 (pages 7-13) sent by the solicitors the signage displayed in their evidence clearly shows a £60.00 parking charge notice (which will be reduced to £30 if paid within 14 days of issue).  2.2  Yet the PCN sent by the Claimant is for a £100.00 parking charge notice (reduced to £60 if paid within 30 days of issue).   2.3        The Claimant relies on signage to create a contract.  It is unlawful for the Claimant to write that the charge is £60 on their signs and then send demands for £100.    2.4        The unlawful £100 charge is also the basis for the Claimant's Particulars of Claim.  No Locus Standi  3.1  I do not believe a contract with the landowner, that is provided following the defendant’s CPR request, gives MET Parking Services a right to bring claims in their own name. Definition of “Relevant contract” from the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4,  2 [1] means a contract Including a contract arising only when the vehicle was parked on the relevant land between the driver and a person who is-   (a) the owner or occupier of the land; or   (b) Authorised, under or by virtue of arrangements made by the owner or occupier of the land, to enter into a contract with the driver requiring the payment of parking charges in respect of the parking of the vehicle on the land. According to https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/46/section/44   For a contract to be valid, it requires a director from each company to sign and then two independent witnesses must confirm those signatures.   3.2  The Defendant requested to see such a contract in the CPR request.  The fact that no contract has been produced with the witness signatures present means the contract has not been validly executed. Therefore, there can be no contract established between MET Parking Services and the motorist. Even if “Parking in Electric Bay” could form a contract (which it cannot), it is immaterial. There is no valid contract.  Illegal Conduct – No Contract Formed   4.1 At the time of writing, the Claimant has failed to provide the following, in response to the CPR request from myself.   4.2        The legal contract between the Claimant and the landowner (which in this case is Standard Life Investments UK) to provide evidence that there is an agreement in place with landowner with the necessary authority to issue parking charge notices and to pursue payment by means of litigation.   4.3 Proof of planning permission granted for signage etc under the Town and country Planning Act 1990. Lack of planning permission is a criminal offence under this Act and no contract can be formed where criminality is involved.   4.4        I also do not believe the claimant possesses these documents.   No Keeper Liability   5.1        The defendant was not the driver at the time and date mentioned in the PCN and the claimant has not established keeper liability under schedule 4 of the PoFA 2012. In this matter, the defendant puts it to the claimant to produce strict proof as to who was driving at the time.   5.2 The claimant in their Notice To Keeper also failed to comply with PoFA 2012 Schedule 4 section 9[2][f] while mentioning “the right to recover from the keeper so much of that parking charge as remains unpaid” where they did not include statement “(if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met)”.     5.3         The claimant did not mention parking period, times on the photographs are separate from the PCN and in any case are that arrival and departure times not the parking period since their times include driving to and from the parking space as a minimum and can include extra time to allow pedestrians and other vehicles to pass in front.    Protection of Freedoms Act 2012   The notice must -   (a) specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates;  22. In the persuasive judgement K4GF167G - Premier Park Ltd v Mr Mathur - Horsham County Court – 5 January 2024 it was on this very point that the judge dismissed this claim.  5.4  A the PCN does not comply with the Act the Defendant as keeper is not liable.  No Breach of Contract   6.1       No breach of contract occurred because the PCN and contract provided as part of the defendant’s CPR request shows different post code, PCN shows HA4 0EY while contract shows HA4 0FY. According to PCN defendant parked on HA4 0EY which does not appear to be subject to the postcode covered by the contract.  6.2         The entrance sign does not mention anything about there being other terms inside the car park so does not offer a contract which makes it only an offer to treat,  Interest  7.1  It is unreasonable for the Claimant to delay litigation for  Double Recovery   7.2  The claim is littered with made-up charges.  7.3  As noted above, the Claimant's signs state a £60 charge yet their PCN is for £100.  7.4  As well as the £100 parking charge, the Claimant seeks recovery of an additional £70.  This is simply a poor attempt to circumvent the legal costs cap at small claims.  7.5 Since 2019, many County Courts have considered claims in excess of £100 to be an abuse of process leading to them being struck out ab initio. An example, in the Caernarfon Court in VCS v Davies, case No. FTQZ4W28 on 4th September 2019, District Judge Jones-Evans stated “Upon it being recorded that District Judge Jones- Evans has over a very significant period of time warned advocates (...) in many cases of this nature before this court that their claim for £60 is unenforceable in law and is an abuse of process and is nothing more than a poor attempt to go behind the decision of the Supreme Court v Beavis which inter alia decided that a figure of £160 as a global sum claimed in this case would be a penalty and not a genuine pre-estimate of loss and therefore unenforceable in law and if the practice continued, he would treat all cases as a claim for £160 and therefore a penalty and unenforceable in law it is hereby declared (…) the claim is struck out and declared to be wholly without merit and an abuse of process.”  7.6 In Claim Nos. F0DP806M and F0DP201T, District Judge Taylor echoed earlier General Judgment or Orders of District Judge Grand, stating ''It is ordered that the claim is struck out as an abuse of process. The claim contains a substantial charge additional to the parking charge which it is alleged the Defendant contracted to pay. This additional charge is not recoverabl15e under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4 nor with reference to the judgment in Parking Eye v Beavis. It is an abuse of process from the Claimant to issue a knowingly inflated claim for an additional sum which it is not entitled to recover. This order has been made by the court of its own initiative without a hearing pursuant to CPR Rule 3.3(4)) of the Civil Procedure Rules 1998...''  7.7 In the persuasive case of G4QZ465V - Excel Parking Services Ltd v Wilkinson – Bradford County Court -2 July 2020 (Exhibit 4) the judge had decided that Excel had won. However, due to Excel adding on the £60 the Judge dismissed the case.  7.8        The addition of costs not previously specified on signage are also in breach of the Consumer Rights Act 2015, Schedule 2, specifically paras 6, 10 and 14.   7.9        It is the Defendant’s position that the Claimant in this case has knowingly submitted inflated costs and thus the entire claim should be similarly struck out in accordance with Civil Procedure Rule 3.3(4).   In Conclusion   8.1        I invite the court to dismiss the claim.  Statement of Truth  I believe that the facts stated in this witness statement are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.   
    • Well the difference is that in all our other cases It was Kev who was trying to entrap the motorist so sticking two fingers up to him and daring him to try court was from a position of strength. In your case, sorry, you made a mistake so you're not in the position of strength.  I've looked on Google Maps and the signs are few & far between as per Kev's MO, but there is an entrance sign saying "Pay & Display" (and you've admitted in writing that you knew you had to pay) and the signs by the payment machines do say "Sea View Car Park" (and you've admitted in writing you paid the wrong car park ... and maybe outed yourself as the driver). Something I missed in my previous post is that the LoC is only for one ticket, not two. Sorry, but it's impossible to definitively advise what to so. Personally I'd probably gamble on Kev being a serial bottler of court and reply with a snotty letter ridiculing the signage (given you mentioned the signage in your appeal) - but it is a gamble.  
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The only way to stop them is to make multiple formal complaints, document EVERYTHING that happens, then start legal action for harassment and cite harrison v link. It's a long process, but it has a very high chance of working.

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The only way to stop them is to make multiple formal complaints, document EVERYTHING that happens, then start legal action for harassment and cite harrison v link. It's a long process, but it has a very high chance of working.

I stuck in a complaint yesterday to OFT and got the same email. Global Recovery wrote to me saying they have brought a debt of £2668.16 from Motor mile who have never spoken or written to me. I have never dealt with them my credit file is clean and there is no explanation. I am tempted to phone them and have some fun. Already had Lowell's scalp for posting wrong info on my file. See how they explain this case of mistaken identity.

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Dont phone them. Stick with letters and get a full papertrail going. Youd have much more fun in court than playing letter tennis.

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Doesnt cost much to issue a claima gainst them, and in certain circumstances its free. You can also get a pro bono lawyer if you have concrete proof against them, as they would be virtually guaranteed to win.

 

Sadly, in MMF's case, it seems legal action and national media publicity will be the Only way to make them stop

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I've had the usual spray of letters and message threats from Mike, apparently i'd be embarrassed from a home visit. However, the upper hand i do have as i have a DRO and all debts (bad debts bought thereof) from these parasites are now null and void during the DRO and legally wiped at the end of it. However, it still doesn't stop them contacting debtors with their 'long arm of the law' tactics, I had a missed call on home phone yesterday from Parasite House, one today from an ubiquitous London number, like most DCA's these ******s use non geographic and geographic numbers to (attempt) to fool you into picking the phone up. With me it doesn't work and they're no more than a bloody annoyance now as they have no recourse in law to recover the debts they bought, so screw them.

 

But ... it got me thinking. (That's the devil in me coming out!!!!!). I thought what can i do to make this **** pay by way of wasted time and money, and with any DCA there's always an Achilles heel, and these have TWO. Want some fun for a little time and effort, read on.

 

Completely legal and lawful, nothing they can do but it has the potential to cost them a LOT of money, time and wasted effort.

 

Firstly, their website http://www.mmile.com

 

This has a standard contact page which simply sends an internal email to their servers to be read to an inbox. However, i got pi$$ed off today as it's my week off work, so i sent not one message this way but TWENTY. Then i thought why stop there? All you have to do is press the back button on your browser and as the info in in the cache you can click on 'SEND' again and it does exactly that. Oh what fun I've had. Unfortunately for Motor Mouth Finance and their mate Barry Ellenshaw the so called customer service manager, now i'm going to play a very nasty and deadly game of payback, it;s nothing less than what they deserve for all the misery and heartache they bring into peoples lives.

 

Here's the server response ;- (part of it anyway)

 

Subject:

Mail delivery deferred: returning message to sender

Date:

Thursday, November 21, 2013 2:51 PM

Size:

4 KB

This message was created automatically by mail delivery software.

 

A message that you sent could not be delivered to one or more of its

recipients. This is a temporary error. The following address(es) deferred:

 

[email protected]

Domain mmile.com has exceeded the max emails per hour (60/50 (120%)) allowed. Message will be reattempted later

 

------- This is a copy of the message, including all the headers. ------

Received: from mmile by server.panda-hosting.co.uk with local (Exim 4.82)

(envelope-from )

id 1VjVbp-0006Ms-Nr

for [email protected]; Thu, 21 Nov 2013 14:51:57 +0000

To: [email protected]

 

 

SO, this tells us that if they get 50 emails an hour, the server packs up, and pends the remaining ones to be read once the backlog has been read/deleted etc etc, what a WONDERFUL email system they have, it now tells us that if you each send 50 messages via http://www.mmile.com their servers will shut down, don't worry about the bounce back, it doesn't mean the mail is undeliverable but pending, the more you send the more pending, basically shutting their email comms down, and quite legitimately unlike a DDOS attack, of course you WANT your mail to reach them so why not send it a few times :) - Have fun, because i'm going to, every single day.

 

Second bit of fun, you'll notice on the website that they WANT you to contact them (ostensibly to make an offer of settlement or payment plan) one of these methods is by virtue of good old FREEPOST, basically you address the envelope, put the letter in and sent FREEPOST which means when it goes through the RM sorters, they get a monthly bill for all mail received that has been sent that way!!!! Kerchingy Ching!

 

So, standard DL size envelope up to 100 grams costs them 50p, if its a large letter it costs them 69p. SO all you do, is put blank sheets in each envelope (tying up some sap who has to open all the mail in the home someone's sent a cheque!) pop in local post box and jobs a good 'un. Each letter costs them 50p a throw, 10 blank letters a fiver and 20 a tenner, now, if everyone does this you can run up motor miles postage account at very little cost, 2p for an average DL envelope 0.3p for a sheet of A4 or printed with an index finger on it, have fun, because over christmas I know i WILL. Merry xmas motormile and boy have I got some treats in store for you low life pond dwelling parasites.

 

If everyone can send at least 100 completed contact forms (doesn't have to be your real details but you can enter those minus the phone number) it'll help crash their servers and if you would be so kind to send 50 blank envelopes with 1 sheet of A4 it'll be a great help to dent their profits and hit them back ... and HARD!!!!!!

 

Payback ladies and gents and at very little cost, time or effort to yourselves but it'll stick one hell of a spanner in the works of probably the most illegal DCA in the UK,

 

THE address

 

 

FREEPOST RSRB-RXKU-UJTR

 

Motormile Finance UK Ltd

Protection House

83 Bradford Road, Leeds

LS28 6AT

 

NB: if you don't put Freepost as above in bold with ALL the letters chances are it'll never get there .. so DON'T FORGET!

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Sounds like a very cheap webhost email that they are using.

 

Also, youd have to check the legalities of what you plan to do, as it will be considered spam, and if it brings down a web server, it could be considered DDOS. If multiple people sent one or two emails and it crashed, then fair enough, but sending/spamming the same email with the intention of crashing the server wont go down well, if they try action against you.

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Sounds like a very cheap webhost email that they are using.

 

Also, youd have to check the legalities of what you plan to do, as it will be considered spam, and if it brings down a web server, it could be considered DDOS. If multiple people sent one or two emails and it crashed, then fair enough, but sending/spamming the same email with the intention of crashing the server wont go down well, if they try action against you.

 

The **** could try but a defence of making SURE comms reached them IS legitimate. Of course if someone sent 1,000 mails then yes it would look iffy, but ask yourself, are they going to try and go after ONE person? Doubtful, very very doubtful given their past history. As for the envelope plot, no proof who sent it (using marigold gloves and pritt stick for the label leaves no evidence lol!)

 

They deserve everything they get and if others should take the lead, who am I to stop them.

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Of course you could save some money and send all those unwanted takeaway leaflets that come through your letterbox - I did a load to Virginmedia once after they annoyed me.

 

I still think the best way is to complain about them every single time they contact you, ask for their complaints procedure, and tie them up in paperwork (plus hopefully a visit from various regulators which will cost them money).

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You wont tie them up in paperwork. They ignore or bin any complaints. Im beginning to think rob sands is doing it as well.

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Keep a nice detailed log of everything they do, so you can get them for harassment.

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Global Recovery have written to me to confirm they are closing their books on me after I pointed out they were the second debt purchase agency to link me to another person of the same name in Leeds. Its so kind of them but I want an explanation as to why they think they had the right to rattle my cage asking me to pay £2668.16 for a debt to a company I had never heard of and never had any business with. Beggars belief and beggars they are!! I have reported Motor Mile to OFT and FOS and encourage others to do they same.

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another very pleasant email to receive very early on a saturday

 

Dear Mr

 

NOTICE OF VISIT WITHOUT APPOINTMENT

 

Our Ref:

Debt Details: Lending Stream LLC

De bt Value: £

Despite our request you have failed to provide an agreed appointment date and time for one of our agents to make a home visit.

 

As such your account has been placed on our Home Visit Schedule and an agent will be visiting your residential address within the next 7 days. They will also make a report on your living standards and any assets that may be available for seizureshould this matter be passed to our Solicitor for legal review.

 

If you want to resolve this matter without further action, then please contact our office immediately to discuss your account. We would remind you that we are prepared to discuss installment arrangements or, alternatively, a lump sum settlement discount.

 

This letter should be taken as formal not ice that we have attempted to agree a mutually acceptable appointment and have been unable to do so through your lack of contact. This fact will be later relied upon at court on the question of legal costs, should legal action prove necessary.

 

Yours faithfully,

 

MotorMile Finance UK Ltd.

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That letter MUST go to the OFT as part of your complaint, it is totaly OTT and out of order.

 

If it is a FORMAL NOTICE it should state that clearly on the top of the letter before they go into detail, and they have no right to 'make a report on your living standards and any assets that may be available for seizure' until a CCJ has been obtained and you fail to make any repayment on said CCJ.

 

This lot need to be closed down ASAP as they are flouting the law, left, right and centre.

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That letter MUST go to the OFT as part of your complaint, it is totaly OTT and out of order.

 

If it is a FORMAL NOTICE it should state that clearly on the top of the letter before they go into detail, and they have no right to 'make a report on your living standards and any assets that may be available for seizure' until a CCJ has been obtained and you fail to make any repayment on said CCJ.

 

This lot need to be closed down ASAP as they are flouting the law, left, right and centre.

 

thanks for reply

 

I have already complained to oft didnt feel i got anywere really without others doing the same its futile

 

should i send this on as well?

 

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Yes, if you don't you are wasting time complaining to them in the first place - the OFT do move slowly but the newer regulator will have far more powers and be able to close down these companies faster than they can purchase 'distressed debt portfolios'.

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Don't we just love Motormouth....of course they want to know your financial status so they can decide if you are worth harassing although that assumes they have brains and I have yet to see proof of that

 

Have you sent the no doorstep visit letter and had the crap back about it not applying to them?

 

I think that email sits right on the very edge of what is acceptable but would still agree to send it to the OFT as part of the evidence that will show a disregard for procedure

Any opinion I give is from personal experience .

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