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    • I've just noted that in Section 4 of the ebay powered by packlink T&Cs, there is a link to a list of webpages for each Transport Agency including Evri. When clicking on this, it redirects to Evri's send terms and conditions, which says: Our contract with you When you send a parcel with us, you enter into a contract with Evri. These terms and conditions set out your responsibilities and our service commitments to you, along with some legal bits about our liability and how you will be compensated in the unlikely event that things go wrong. Link to Evri send T&Cs: https://www.evri.com/terms-and-conditions the extract highlighted in bold above is pertinent as in Evri's own T&Cs, by sending a parcel with Evri, the sender and Evri have entered into a contract. Screenshot of the above extract attached. Screenshot_20240524_030834_Chrome.pdf
    • Hi, Evri provided a copy of the Ebay powered by Packlink T&Cs in their WS/Court bundle - this is already uploaded in post #246 yesterday. I copy and pasted the actual wording of clauses 3b and 3c from there into my post #246. see points 3b and 3c in Section 3 (General) through this link to the T&Cs:  https://support-ebay.packlink.com/hc/en-gb/articles/360004768420-eBay-Delivery-Powered-by-Packlink-Terms-and-Conditions#h_01HFXQJBTB441YZGPB7CQP9KFV Screenshot attached below. I cant answer why its not been picked up before. In my opinion, this is called Ebay powered by packlink T&Cs so it could be intepreted to mean Ebay and Packlink's T&Cs rather than Packlink and the delivery couriers T&Cs. In regards to seeing Evri/Packlink's entire contract in original form, in my WS, Evri has been invited to provide this. They have not provided the contract in their WS/court bundle. Screenshot_20240524_024259_Chrome.pdf
    • yes, and he has since emailed them to say he wants it done with a hearing
    • Do I take it that you had already informed the court that you wanted the case settled on the papers rather than by way of a hearing before you came here and told us?
    • This is a very important find. I don't understand why nobody has picked up on this before. It's a shame that you have only just found it but please will you get a screenshot and also give us a link to the page which contains this and if possible a link to the actual passage. This makes a huge difference because if this is right that the third party actually has a direct contract with the courier company then they can rely on their consumer rights rather than commercial rights. Also as you seem to have pointed out, even if  their commercial contract does exclude third-party rights, the clause that you have found on the eBay site directly contradicts that And this should be pointed out to the judge.  Please will you screenshot the passage. Give us a link and then stand by for a response later on today. We will have to send this additional piece of information to the court and don't worry we will manage to do it before the 4:00 pm deadline. And in any event, you will certainly want to see the entire contract in original form and receive clarification as to when their third-party exclusion close was included in it.
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    • We have finally managed to obtain the transcript of this case.

      The judge's reasoning is very useful and will certainly be helpful in any other cases relating to third-party rights where the customer has contracted with the courier company by using a broker.
      This is generally speaking the problem with using PackLink who are domiciled in Spain and very conveniently out of reach of the British justice system.

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      One of the points that the judge made was that the customers contract with the broker specifically refers to the courier – and it is clear that the courier knows that they are acting for a third party. There is no need to name the third party. They just have to be recognisably part of a class of person – such as a sender or a recipient of the parcel.

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Hi im new here so not certain im doing this right,any way here it goes.

 

my partner on tuesday lost here esa appeal first tier tribunal stage.They scored here 12 points at the appeal tribunal,and 6 points at the decision maker stage (first appeal stage I think that is).

So heres my questions if she was awarded 6 points for one descriptor at one stage of the process and 12 points for two more descriptors(so that makes 18 points for 3 separate descriptors) further down the process,that makes 18 points.

so im a little confused at this stage of the process,so is this right or does some other rule come in at a certain stage.

basically if someone could explain this to me,and were we go from here (i.e what benefit to claim know)I would be really grateful,thanks

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:dandino:

 

Sorry, there's no further stages unless you think there's been something called an 'error of law', which is very rare. For now, despite the difference of opinion between the decision maker and the tribunal panel, your partner's claim for employment n support allowance has been turned down.

 

Is it more than six months since the date of disallowance by Jobcentreplus? If so, and her doctor will provide Med 3 (unfit) notes, she can make a completely new claim. If she was paid assessment rate employment n support pending the appeal hearing, you need to wait until you hear from Jobcentreplus that her assessment rate has ended before submitting a new ESA1.

 

Regards, Margaret.

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Hi thanks for the reply.So just to confirm even though she scored 18 points over the whole process she basically had to score 15 points or more in one go at the appeal hearing?

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