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    • no i meant the email from parcel2go which email address did they send it from and who signed it off (whos name is at the bottom)
    • I understand confusion with this thread.  I tried to keep threads separate because there have been so many angles.    But a team member merged them all.  This is why it's hard to keep track. This forum exists to help little people fight injustice - however big or small.  Im here to try get a decent resolution. Not to give in to the ' big boys'. My "matter' became complicated 'matters' simply because a lender refused to sell a property. What can I say?  I'll try in a nutshell to give an overview: There's a long lease property. I originally bought it short lease with a s.146 on it from original freeholder.  I had no concerns. So lender should have been able to sell a well-maintained lovely long lease property.  The property was great. The issue is not the property.  Economy, sdlt increases, elections, brexit, covid, interest hikes etc didn't help.  The issue is simple - the lender wanted to keep it.    Before repo I offered to clear my loan.  I was a bit short and lender refused.  They said (recorded) they thought the property was worth much more and they were happy to keep accruing interest (in their benefit) until it reached a point where they felt they could repo and still easily quickly sell to get their £s back.  This was a mistake.  The market was (and is) tough.   2y later the lender ceo bid the same sum to buy the property for himself. He'd rejected higher offers in the intervening period whilst accruing interest. I had the property under offer to a fantastic niche buyer but lender rushed to repo and buyer got spooked and walked.  It had taken a long time to find such a lucrative buyer.  A sale which would have resulted in £s and another asset for me. Post repo lender had 1 offer immediately.  But dragged out the process for >1y - allegedly trying to get other offers. But disclosure shows there was only one valid buyer. Lender appointed receiver (after 4 months) - simply to try acquire the freehold.  He used his powers as receiver to use me, as leaseholder, to serve notice on freeholders.  Legally that failed. Meanwhile lender failed to secure property - and squatters got in (3 times).  And they failed to maintain it.  So freeholders served a dilapidations notice (external) - on me as leaseholder (cc-ed to lender).   (That's how it works legally) I don't own the freehold.  But I am a trustee and have to do right by the freeholders.  This is where matters got/ get complicated.  And probably lose most caggers.   Lawyers got involved for the freeholders to firstly void the receiver enfranchisement notice. Secondly, to serve the dilapidations notice.  The lack of maintenance was in breach of lease and had to be served to protect fh asset. The lender did no repairs. They said a buyer would undertake them. Which was probably correct. If they had sold. After 1y lender finally agreed to sell to the 1st offeror and contracts went with lawyers.  Within 1 month lender reneged.  Lender tried to suggest buyer walked. Evidence shows he/ his lawyers continued trying to exchange (cash) for 4 months.  Evidence shows lender and receiver strategy had been to renege and for ceo to take control.   I still think that's their plan. Lender then stupidly chose to pretty much bulldoze the property.  Other stuff was going on in the background. After repo I was in touch by phone and email and lender knew post got to me.   Despite this, after about 10 months (before and then during covid), they deliberately sent SDs and eventually a B petition to an incorrect address and an obscure small court.  They never served me properly.  (In hindsight I understand they hoped to get a backdoor B - so they could keep the property that way.)  Eventually the random court told them to email me by way of service.  At this point their ruse to make me B failed.  I got a lawyer (friend paid). The B petition was struck out. They’d failed to include the property as an asset. They were in breach of insolvency rules. Simultaneously the receiver again appointed lawyers to act on my behalf as leaseholder. This time to serve notice on the freeholders for a lease extension.  He had hoped to try and vary the strict lease. Evidence shows the already long length of lease wasn't an issue.  The lender obviously hoped to get round their lack of permission to do works (which they were already doing) by hoping to remove the strict clauses that prevent leaseholder doing alterations.   The extension created a new legal angle for me to deal with.  I had to act as trustee for freeholders against me as leaseholder/ the receiver.  Inconsistencies and incompetence by receiver lawyers dragged this out 3y.  It still isn't properly resolved.  Meanwhile - going back to the the works the lender undertook. The works were consciously in breach of lease.  The lender hadn't remedied the breaches listed in the dilapidations notice.  They destroyed the property.  The trustees compiled all evidence.  The freeholders lawyers then served a forfeiture notice. This notice started a different legal battle. I was acting for the freeholders against what the lender had done on my behalf as leaseholder.  This legal battle took 3y to resolve. The simple exit would have been for lender to sell. A simple agreement to remedy the breaches and recompense the freeholders in compensation - and there's have been clean title to sell.  That option was proposed to them.   This happened by way of mediation for all parties 2y ago.  A resolution option was put forward and in principle agreed.  But immediately after the lender lawyers failed to engage.  A hard lesson to learn - mediation cannot be referred to in court. It's considered w/o prejudice. The steps they took have made no difference to their ability to sell the property.  Almost 3y since they finished works they still haven't sold. ** ** I followed up some leads myself.  A qualified cash buyer offered me a substantial sum.  The lender and receiver both refused it.   I found another offer in disclosure.  6 months later someone had apparently offered a substantial sum via an agent.  The receiver again rejected it.  The problem of course was that the agent had inflated the market price to get the business. But no-one was or is ever going to offer their list price.  Yet the receiver wanted/wants to hold out for the list price.  Which means 1y later not only has it not sold - disclosure shows few viewings and zero interest.  It's transparently over-priced.  And tarnished. For those asking why I don't give up - I couldn't/ can't.  Firstly I have fiduciary duties as a trustee. Secondly, legal advice indicates I (as leaseholder) could succeed with a large compensation claim v the lender.  Also - I started a claim v my old lawyer and the firm immediately reimbursed some £s. That was encouraging.  And a sign to continue.  So I'm going for compensation.  I had finance in place (via friend) to do a deal and take the property back off the lender - and that lawyer messed up bad.   He should have done a deal.  Instead further years have been wasted.   Maybe I only get back my lost savings - but that will be a result.   If I can add some kind of complaint/ claim v the receiver's conscious impropriety I will do so.   I have been left with nothing - so fighting for something is worth it. The lender wants to talk re a form of settlement.  Similar to my proposal 2y ago.  I have a pretty clear idea of what that means to me.  This is exactly why I do not give up.  And why I continue to ask for snippets of advice/ pointers on cag.  
    • It was all my own work based on my previous emails to P2G which Bank has seen.
    • I was referring to #415 where you wrote "I was forced to try to sell - and couldn't." . And nearer the start in #79 .. "I couldn't sell.  I had an incredibly valuable asset. Huge equity.  But the interest accrued / the property market suffered and I couldn't find a buyer even at a level just to clear the debt." In #194 you said you'd tried to sell for four years.  The reason for these points is that a lot of the claims against for example your surveyor, solicitor, broker, the lender and now the receiver are mainly founded in a belief that they should have been able to do something but did not. Things that might seem self evident to you but not necessarily to others. Pressing these claims may well need a bit more hard evidence, rather than an appeal to common sense. Can you show evidence of similar properties, with similar freehold issues, selling readily? And solid reasons why the lender should have been able to sell when you couldn't.
    • You can use a family's address.   The only caveat is for the final hearing you'd need to be there in person   HOWEVER i'd expect them to pay if its only £200 because costs of attending will be higher than that
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Ok......Did the Lender advise you that they were appointing that particular firm of Solicitors? .... and are you 100% sure it is YOUR lender that you are dealing with?? no to both

 

Check out the FCA register.... input your lenders details to check if they have regulatory authority (which they should Have) and then check to see if they have any 'approved representatives'.... checked and they have no approved representative

 

I have a sneaky suspicion that it may be the approved representative that you are dealing with here and not the actual lender..ummmm?

 

Check it out... and come back to me on this = ok?

 

Apple

 

I've had 2 emails from these solicitors, one saying they are instructed by my lender, the other with me copied in to the Chamber, requesting further time to oppose the application, due to the hearing being stayed. I have also received a phonecall stating they are from this solicitors, asking if I've received the emails and if I am happy to receive correspondence in this way. A little unprofessional I think?!

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Applecart, this part of the Statute of Frauds Act 1677 is about one person offering a guarantee for the debts of another person. I don't see how that applies to the current situation or how it is relevant to s2 LPMPA 1989.

 

IVX1No Action against Executors, &c. upon a special Promise, or upon any Agreement, or Contract for Sale of Lands, &c. unless Agreement, &c. be in Writing and signed.

 

Noe Action shall be brought . . . F1 whereby to charge the Defendant upon any speciall promise to answere for the debt default or miscarriages of another person . . . F2 unlesse the Agreement upon which such Action shall be brought or some Memorandum or Note thereof shall be in Writeing and signed by the partie to be charged therewith or some other person thereunto by him lawfully authorized.

 

LPMPA stands for Law of Property Miscellaneous Provisions Act.....

 

Statute of Frauds relates to agreements for sale of 'land'

 

Section 2 and the statute of frauds work together.

 

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That wouldn't be relevant, where's the gift?

 

Sequenci, please consult your legal database on this.....I'm sure you can work this one out for yourself?

 

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I've had 2 emails from these solicitors, one saying they are instructed by my lender, the other with me copied in to the Chamber, requesting further time to oppose the application, due to the hearing being stayed. I have also received a phonecall stating they are from this solicitors, asking if I've received the emails and if I am happy to receive correspondence in this way. A little unprofessional I think?!

 

Ask yourself, does the conduct of the Lender and the Solicitor comply with the Tribunal Rules....if not - then there is a breach...it really is quite that simple ; )

 

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Hi TimetogoRAM

I’ve been giving some thought to the earlier post UKaviator sent, the one where he/she states the advice they had got from the solicitor before signing, you know the advice the Lender recommends you get before you sign, oh, and your solicitor acting on behalf of your Lender in your case and not to forget the Lenders’ backing off in IS IT ME’s Friend’s case indeed all of them involved.

Well, you would think they would be right up to date with the law especially, in this conveyance stuff, remember, they are giving you Legal Advice, which you are paying for. You could say that’s a little contract right there. Here’s another little nugget I am aware off and you might not know, These Lenders, they have approved panels of solicitor companies, that means they have a list of companies which you must use to handle your conveyance. I suppose that’s how they can make you an offer to help you with your legal costs.

But wait, could there something else here, could they have unknowingly been drawn, you know in the bigger scheme of things, no surely not, that cannot be, after all it’s only a thought. Uuuuummmmmm.

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IVX1No Action against Executors, &c. upon a special Promise, or upon any Agreement, or Contract for Sale of Lands, &c. unless Agreement, &c. be in Writing and signed.

 

Noe Action shall be brought . . . F1 whereby to charge the Defendant upon any speciall promise to answere for the debt default or miscarriages of another person . . . F2 unlesse the Agreement upon which such Action shall be brought or some Memorandum or Note thereof shall be in Writeing and signed by the partie to be charged therewith or some other person thereunto by him lawfully authorized.

 

LPMPA stands for Law of Property Miscellaneous Provisions Act.....

 

Statute of Frauds relates to agreements for sale of 'land'

 

Section 2 and the statute of frauds work together.

 

Apple

 

 

The Statute of frauds has nothing to do with land applecart and it was passed in 312 years before LPMPA 1989. The only bit of the Statute of Frauds which remains in force is the part you posted, which is about giving a guarantee for the debts for another person.

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Hi TimetogoRAM

I’ve been giving some thought to the earlier post UKaviator sent, the one where he/she states the advice they had got from the solicitor before signing, you know the advice the Lender recommends you get before you sign, oh, and your solicitor acting on behalf of your Lender in your case and not to forget the Lenders’ backing off in IS IT ME’s Friend’s case indeed all of them involved.

Well, you would think they would be right up to date with the law especially, in this conveyance stuff, remember, they are giving you Legal Advice, which you are paying for. You could say that’s a little contract right there. Here’s another little nugget I am aware off and you might not know, These Lenders, they have approved panels of solicitor companies, that means they have a list of companies which you must use to handle your conveyance. I suppose that’s how they can make you an offer to help you with your legal costs.

But wait, could there something else here, could they have unknowingly been drawn, you know in the bigger scheme of things, no surely not, that cannot be, after all it’s only a thought. Uuuuummmmmm.

 

Totally GHAM, l was offered these incentives on applying for the mortgage, like help with costs and free conveyancer. Now I understand why I was offered these. Not particularly good legal advice when the lender isn't executing the deed to profiteer heavily from the sale of my mortgage. I was led to believe my lender had a charge over my property. I now know that they don't! So who does that is the question? The title says my lender, but HMLR have not updated this because my current ender has failed to tell them.

 

Could you please let me know what you mean by your last paragraph?

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The Statute of frauds has nothing to do with land applecart and it was passed in 312 years before LPMPA 1989. The only bit of the Statute of Frauds which remains in force is the part you posted, which is about giving a guarantee for the debts for another person.

 

I'm sorry, I'm not sure I understand your point here Steampowered?

 

Which part of Part IV of the SoFA is referring to 'giving a guarantee for the debts of another person'?

 

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Sequenci, please consult your legal database on this.....I'm sure you can work this one out for yourself?

 

Apple

 

Yup. There is no gift.

 

Also, don't you find it a little bit funny how on one hand you've started talking equity yet you don't identify the possibility in this day of age of an equitable mortgage?

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I'm sorry, I'm not sure I understand your point here Steampowered?

 

Which part of Part IV of the SoFA is referring to 'giving a guarantee for the debts of another person'?

 

Apple

 

The bit you posted applecart, which is the only bit still in force.

 

Noe Action shall be brought . . . F1 whereby to charge the Defendant upon any speciall promise to answere for the debt default or miscarriages of another person . . . F2 unlesse the Agreement upon which such Action shall be brought or some Memorandum or Note thereof shall be in Writeing and signed by the partie to be charged therewith or some other person thereunto by him lawfully authorized

 

It is not referring to charges in in the meaning of the word as a security right and has nothing to do with land. Charges did not exist in 1677.

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Thanks Apple, think the answer is no. Like you say, let them dig further!

 

Exactly, don't write to them, don't inform them of their errors....they will correct them as and when they realise their error for themselves..... after all with all that legal know how....they should have no problem in interpreting the Tribunal Rules for themselves......

 

They will dig their way to the necessary Rule in due course.... hope they are not too late......might be why they need more time.... crikey..... all you asked the Chamber for was a determination of the deed..... and they need 'more time' to boot???

 

Anyone got a spare shovel?

 

 

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Yup. There is no gift.

 

Also, don't you find it a little bit funny how on one hand you've started talking equity yet you don't identify the possibility in this day of age of an equitable mortgage?

 

yes, funny that ; )

 

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The bit you posted applecart, which is the only bit still in force.

 

Noe Action shall be brought . . . F1 whereby to charge the Defendant upon any speciall promise to answere for the debt default or miscarriages of another person . . . F2 unlesse the Agreement upon which such Action shall be brought or some Memorandum or Note thereof shall be in Writeing and signed by the partie to be charged therewith or some other person thereunto by him lawfully authorized

 

It is not referring to charges in in the meaning of the word as a security right and has nothing to do with land. Charges did not exist in 1677.

 

Oh......okey dokey.....cheers ; )

 

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Hi Apple,

You got a chance to watch the news yet, The bit about RBS, where Vince Cable has accused the Bank about closing small business down just to get at their assets, now he would have been made aware of the possible implications of this. Well if you haven’t yet, well listen to the report Author, listen even closer to what the small business owner says, very closely on how they went about getting their hands on his assets. They simply loaded him up with some more debt, that’s banksters for ya.

But ney, have I heard that story somewhere before uuuummmmm?.... ha,ha,ha... or should that be....ho ho ho... or maybe ha ho... or what about Hi Ho yes you know the one that goes.... Hi Ho Hi Ho its of to work we go... we work all day we get no pay Hi ho Hi Hooooooooooo.

I can’t believe it, Good on Vince, Good on you Mate.

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Hi Apple,

You got a chance to watch the news yet, The bit about RBS, where Vince Cable has accused the Bank about closing small business down just to get at their assets, now he would have been made aware of the possible implications of this. Well if you haven’t yet, well listen to the report Author, listen even closer to what the small business owner says, very closely on how they went about getting their hands on his assets. They simply loaded him up with some more debt, that’s banksters for ya.

But ney, have I heard that story somewhere before uuuummmmm?.... ha,ha,ha... or should that be....ho ho ho... or maybe ha ho... or what about Hi Ho yes you know the one that goes.... Hi Ho Hi Ho its of to work we go... we work all day we get no pay Hi ho Hi Hooooooooooo.

I can’t believe it, Good on Vince, Good on you Mate.

 

Hi Ya....

 

Yes, I did.... I couldn't help thinking that the same is happening to Borrowers .....one MP I saw was at pains to emphasis that they only have anecdotal evidence..... and I thought....Is that so... yeah - right?

 

Do you think that maybe, just maybe,..... they are actually going to start flushing out the truth.....?

 

Apple

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Is it the same ones who don't want to play here, as they were the first firm of solicitors!

So you can take what they put up as toilet paper

 

Agreed..... I think it is the 3rd or 4th time that the article from Optima has appeared on your thread ......to get the impression that Optima's Article will defend the fact that the lender has not executed the deed.....

 

 

 

Apple

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Hi All

 

Vince Cable was appointed Secretary of State for Business, Innovation and Skills in May 2010......

 

That's the same department that the e-petition is going to by the way....... ; )

 

If you live in Twickenham you can alert him to issues via this email link:

 

[email protected]

 

You can contact your local MP by searching for him via this link:

 

http://www.parliament.uk/mps-lords-and-offices/mps/?sort=1

 

Apple

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Hi Kegi,

What Apple is raising in this post is a senario, the senario being what the Chamber might do when faced with the reality that the deed is found to be void. Now you need to read the post before so that you can get a feel for it.

 

givehim my post was nothing to do with the scenario it was to do with the clap-trap apple had just posted up

here it is again in red and as you seem to be apples spokes person would you not agree with me that's just what it is

..maybe not

 

Oh I forgot to say.... I didn't add the Borrower into the resolution as such...because the Borrower is already providing a solution....the Borrower is paying the 'mortgage '....the Borrower is paying the Bedroom tax.....bailing out the banks etc etc......after all it was the Borrower who caused the 'austerity' by signing that 'approved form of charge'....as a 'deed'....

 

Oh and if the Borrower does not pay the 'mortgage...well, we'll turf him out of his home....and get another Borrower to pick up the tab......80,000+ is no where near the 11.3 million target we have set...got to keep the wheel turning....got to keep the figures correct...... : )

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givehim my post was nothing to do with the scenario it was to do with the clap-trap apple had just posted up

here it is again in red and as you seem to be apples spokes person would you not agree with me that's just what it is

..maybe not

 

Oh I forgot to say.... I didn't add the Borrower into the resolution as such...because the Borrower is already providing a solution....the Borrower is paying the 'mortgage '....the Borrower is paying the Bedroom tax.....bailing out the banks etc etc......after all it was the Borrower who caused the 'austerity' by signing that 'approved form of charge'....as a 'deed'....

 

Oh and if the Borrower does not pay the 'mortgage...well, we'll turf him out of his home....and get another Borrower to pick up the tab......80,000+ is no where near the 11.3 million target we have set...got to keep the wheel turning....got to keep the figures correct...... : )

kegi

 

'Clap trap'...... now I know that getting to the point is something you do with great vigour......can you explain, why you believe the above is 'clap trap' Kegi?

 

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