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    • Thank you. here's the changes I made 1) removed indexed statement of truth 2) added donough v Stevenson in paragraph 40, just under the Supply of Goods and Services Act 1982 paragraph about reasonable care and skill. i'm assuming this is a good place for it? 3) reworded paragraph 16 (now paragraph 12), and moved the t&cs paragraphs below it then. unless I understood you wrong it seems to fit well. or did you want me to remove the t&cs paragraphs entirely? attached is the updated draft, and thanks again for the help. WS and court bundle-1 fourth draft redacted.pdf
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In yet another humiliating court defeat for Iain Duncan Smith, thousands of sacked Jobcentre staff may be entitled to compensation due to an employment tribunal ruling that they were unlawfully sacked.

 

Story http://johnnyvoid.wordpress.com/2013/03/27/jobcentre-illegally-sacked-thousands-of-workers/

 

As the article states I wonder if IDS will attempt to retrospectively change the law on this one.

 

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Two former Jobcentre staff, supported by PCS Union, took the department to an employment tribunal, which ruled they should have been legally paid redundancy. Thousands of workers sacked by Iain Duncan Smith could now be entitled to claim compensation which is likely to cost up to £1 million.

 

Good for them! I hope they screw the buggers over this. :D

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Good for them! I hope they screw the buggers over this. :D

 

Would it not be very interesting if the figure was £130 million? Imagine the uproar if JCP workers won the same payout that JSA claimants were denied.

 

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This is a pretty basic mistake - I worked for a small charity where everyone was on yearly fixed term contracts - some people for many years. The charity knew to pay redundancy in those circumstances. Very silly mistake.

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Would it not be very interesting if the figure was £130 million? Imagine the uproar if JCP workers won the same payout that JSA claimants were denied.

Yes! and I'm waiting for doughnuts to fall from the sky. At least my dream has more chance of coming off!

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Yes! and I'm waiting for doughnuts to fall from the sky. At least my dream has more chance of coming off!

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Mate, that Karen Gillan is totally into me. I swear, she told me so!

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Mate, that Karen Gillan is totally into me. I swear, she told me so!

My first love was a redhead so I take your point but when I last met Karen, she said she was "SO INTO ME" and I take her word on that. but there you go, still waiting for the doughnuts though.

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Mate, that Karen Gillan is totally into me. I swear, she told me so!

 

Temporal field collapsing....alternate reality too improbable to maintain...

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What concerns me with this is it is yet another blunder by IDS.

 

Yes those sacked won and may now claim compensation followed all the others sacked.

 

But who is going to pay for this blunder NOT IDS, NOT the GOVERNMENT but the TAXPAYER AGAIN.

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What concerns me with this is it is yet another blunder by IDS.

 

Yes those sacked won and may now claim compensation followed all the others sacked.

 

But who is going to pay for this blunder NOT IDS, NOT the GOVERNMENT but the TAXPAYER AGAIN.

 

Stu, yes. Jokes about Karen Gillan aside, it does seem obvious that IDS gets to screw things up and expect everyone else to pay for his mistakes.

 

The obvious solution to this would be for IDS and the DWP to obey the law. Hey, I'm a dreamer. But I'm not the only one.

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Temporal field collapsing....alternate reality too improbable to maintain...

 

Well thank you very much. Hmph.

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Well thank you very much. Hmph.

 

Hey, if it makes you feel better, the alternate reality where David Tennant declares me stunning, beautiful and witty is too improbable to even form.

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The obvious solution to this would be for IDS and the DWP to obey the law.

 

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Hey, if it makes you feel better, the alternate reality where David Tennant declares me stunning, beautiful and witty is too improbable to even form.

 

We exist merely as Doctor Who castaways. 'Tis to weep.

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Temporal field collapsing....alternate reality too improbable to maintain...

 

I think IDS sounds like a Cyberman. You know..."Your claim will be deleted."

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What concerns me with this is it is yet another blunder by IDS.

 

Yes those sacked won and may now claim compensation followed all the others sacked.

 

But who is going to pay for this blunder NOT IDS, NOT the GOVERNMENT but the TAXPAYER AGAIN.

I, not that long ago, had the grave misfortune of finding myself in the same room as IDS (I say room, I mean hall). He had two “thugs” with him for protection but the thing that got me was his aloofness, arrogance and insularity, if that is a word, did more to keep anyone away from him than his “minders” could ever do.

His wife was quite happy to mingle, talk and drink a lot of red wine.

Having seen IDS at close quarters, I do not see him relating to anyone who needs to claim benefits of any sort. He seemed to be a man so possessed of his own (self)righteousness that nothing will touch him. Certainly not those in dire straits due to his “reforms”.

No, I am sure, IDS will pay for nothing, he will never be held to account, he will do his dirty work and probably end up in the House of Lords.

 

 

I want to take this opportunity to apologise to all CAG members for not spitting in his face. I did not want to dirty my spit.

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I think IDS sounds like a Cyberman. You know..."Your claim will be deleted."

 

Or a dalek "skivers will be exterminated"

 

"all benefit claimants are skivers"

 

"skivers will be exterminated"

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I want to take this opportunity to apologise to all CAG members for not spitting in his face. I did not want to dirty my spit.

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No need to apologise, sir or madam. We all need to maintain standards.

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Or a dalek "skivers will be exterminated"

 

"all benefit claimants are skivers"

 

"skivers will be exterminated"

 

You-have-an-un-neces-sary-bed-room. It-will-be-ex-term-in-ated. You-will-pay-for-your-ex-trav-a-gance!

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Yes, curse their sudden and inevitable betrayal.

 

Well, we could have our own TARDIS. With a green and yellow sign outside. And when you press a button on the console, all the mail disappears.

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Or a dalek "skivers will be exterminated"

 

"all benefit claimants are skivers"

 

"skivers will be exterminated"

 

Now come on the ultimate killing machine and rulers of the universes had one little flaw....

 

They couldn't manage stairs!

 

It took 30 years before the BBC retro fitted them with little rockets to manage this simple task.

 

Hang on I think I've just described the latest virtual aid for ESA and PIP..... Rocket powered wheel chairs they don't exist yet (well they do I've seen the youtube video) but affordable and on the NHS.....

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Hang on I think I've just described the latest virtual aid for ESA and PIP..... Rocket powered wheel chairs they don't exist yet (well they do I've seen the youtube video) but affordable and on the NHS.....

 

And indeed, it won't matter whether or not you actually have a rocket powered wheelchair. Your assessment will be based on the assumption that you can fly whenever you feel like it.

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And indeed, it won't matter whether or not you actually have a rocket powered wheelchair. Your assessment will be based on the assumption that you can fly whenever you feel like it.

 

Before we go all Peter Pan and Tinkerbell.

 

The question still needs to be asked;

 

would a Darlek be turned away from an ATOS ESA/PIP assessment center on health and safely grounds as they would not be able to use the stairs reliably or safely in the event of a fire when the lifts are stopped?

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