Benefit cap help

[arianna22]

hi trying to get some help for my neighbour , don.t go all high and mighty over this but her and her husband have 8 children plus 2 grandchildren all living in a 4 bed house. they are on benefits due to her husband who was taken ill some years ago after he kept blacking out she gave up work to look after him as he was looking after the kids and was told he was.nt to be left alone. he.s been signed off dla this year and now the benefit cap affects othem and don.t know what to do .he suffers depression but don.t blackout so much anymore docs said it was all stress related but can.t be hundred percent. he.s not been found fit for work. she suffers depression after her daughter was raped a few years ago and the boy got away with it she had to cope with all that and gave birth within 2 wks of it happening and moved house six weeks later 5 days before christmas as the family was being bullied about the rape.they don.t live lavish life style they don.t drink or smoke they never go out or on holidays they are in debt and trying to make ends meet.they don.t know what to do she.s not sleeping she crys a lot and all they can think of is that they are going to be homeless in april as they.ve been told they won.t get no housing benefit anymore they.ve been looking for jobs but nothing going for them . its stupid cause this really only affects large familys.what about all the other familys claiming that only have 2/4. kids don.t affect them. they.re only option is work or pay 510 a month out of you benefits can you really see that happening.please do not slag the family off they.ve had a hard time over the last few years and they.ve only made it through cause they got each other and i envy that they go everywhere together and they are dependant on each other.where can they go for help cab was.nt really bothered and said nothing can be done. is this discrimination against having a large family. and what about your rights. i think before these mps make decisions they should accually live on benefits first to see if they can manage.

[id6052]

are all the children/grandchildren dependants?

 

or are they adults? if they are adults, are they working? can any of them contribute to housing costs?

[arianna22]

ones in work based learning after is college course was full he.s 16 the oldest is 18 and not working just had a baby and broken up with its father.she.s hoping to move out her self as to cramped its the case of not being able to afford a place herself. they are trying he.s a landscaper he knows what he.s doing but not got the qualifactions sorry about the spelling .and not the right time of year to get that kind of job even tried around the country but he.s been out if work to long no one wants to give him the time of day.he can.t work inside got a phobia about that and will lose is mind if he.s confined in doors he.s always out is back pottering about or in is shed they.re a lovely family and will help anyone .

Edited December 7, 2012 by arianna22

[id6052]

families receiving working tax credit are exempt from the cap

 

so if either of the parents start work and claim WTC, they will not be affected by the cap

 

this may not have been possible when children were younger, but if some of the children are able to help with caring for their father, maybe the mother could get a job and claim WTC

 

alternatively if the father could be reawarded DLA, this would also exempt them from the cap

[arianna22]

hi got taken off dla saying not ill enough its hard to get it now they appealed twice but lost they should of gone and had help with it. where we live nothing really going most things are shutting and so many unemployed people. i.ve got a relative who.s been refused dla and hes git cancer he had a massive op been very ill lost so much weight u can.t reconise him he.s appealled and lost twice also they said he.s not sick enough what a laugh he.s been that suck they couldn.t give him is cemo.

[arianna22]

ok if you work 16 hours a week on min wage don.t know what it is so if someone can work it out what else can you get. 1 will they still be able to get rent paid or part.2 what will they.re income be are they really going to be better off. 3 what if one of them decides they need more qualifications and went on a college course to get them so they can get into work will it affect them then.

[Nystagmite]

hi got taken off dla saying not ill enough its hard to get it now they appealed twice but lost they should of gone and had help with it. where we live nothing really going most things are shutting and so many unemployed people. i.ve got a relative who.s been refused dla and hes git cancer he had a massive op been very ill lost so much weight u can.t reconise him he.s appealled and lost twice also they said he.s not sick enough what a laugh he.s been that suck they couldn.t give him is cemo.

 

Some people with non-terminal cancer can't get DLA because the treatment and the effects of the treatment don't last long enough.

[arianna22]

stupid he can.t eat he.s had the bit at the bottom of your throught and on top of your stomach removed massive tumour it was stopped him from eating can.t work and sleeps a lot he.s got to be made to eat but can.t keep it down . to make matters worse he lost is neice to stomach cancer just after he found out he had it she lastest not 6 months after finally be diagnoised sorry about spelling.36 she was its been really hard on him cause they found hers to late and feels guilty how can they turn someone down like that when so many others get it for stupid things .

[arianna22]

Hi this benefit cap coming into force in april is really not fare.they.re capping peoples benefit but only affects large familys don.t get me wrong its kind of a good thing but they.ve done it wrong.the average low income working family fetch home 500 they say but if that family had more children they.d receive more child/ working tax and child benefit. So why ain.t the average family on benefit being affected .its wrong the bigger your family the worse off you are if they.re going to cap benefits they should affect everyone its not fare .theres so many buisnesses closing down how u suppose to find work .u couldn.t even find a job on the side if u wanted as theres nothing going.

[Nystagmite]

But why should taxpayers pay for people to have large families? Many people would love a large family but can't afford it.

 

If you receive working tax credit, you're not affected.

[Guest]

yes as I understand it is to ensure that people do not simply keep on having children and claiming more and more benefits because of it, having children is an individuals choice but they should consider if they can afford to keep that child and not rely on everyone who is working to assist them.

[arianna22]

But what about people who.s lost their job and now are affected by this my point is why should just these familys be affected why should a family of 6 not be but if someone as 2 more children are .don.t forget some familys maybe two familys together children from previous relationships they could have 3 kids each. 2 adults 4 children they get around 500 a wk no cap ,2 adults 6 children they get 600/650 say , they now lose their 100 a wk rent but still have to pay it and feed the kids they are now worse off than the other family is that fare .this is point i.m seeing this happen to a friend and he.s been taken off dla but still unfit for work but has to ,no one will employ him cause off health and out of work to long.who.s going to employ someone who suffers blackouts .he.s applied for loads of jobs but not enough experiance.trouble is when he was working u never needed all these certificates that u need now for is kind of work so hes stuck.the goverment is giving hand outs and expensive houses to imigrants and we get nothing we.ve paid taxes my parents paid taxes my grandparents had own business until supermarkets opened everywhere.people get treated unfairly by this eveyone should be affected .they.re giving dla to people who have stupid things that don.t stop them from working or doing anything normal but get extra money to help them i think only disabled people should recieve it people who have something really wrong lost limbs in wheel chairs serious health issues etc.

[liverbird37]

Well no disrespect, but from April nearly all of us on benefits WILL be effected, when we have to start paying Council Tax. I'm on ESA and am gonna have to find 15% of the total annual amount of my CT bill.

 

None of us are getting an easy ride.

[sadone]

they.re giving dla to people who have stupid things that don.t stop them from working

 

Good grief. I mean really??? Cameron's spin doctors must bloody love you.

[liverbird37]

Oh, and DLA is not awarded on your ability to not be able to work, that's ESA. DLA can be paid to people in work.

[Guest]

wish I had something silly then ....shame its bipolar and fms and cant get dla......but still will be paying council tax. I had 2 children and stopped, as I knew that whatever happened I WOULD BE ABLE to get by, and it was a struggle working part time and yes I did get some benefits but I worked as well, I could have had and would have loved more children but common sense and responsibility stopped me.

[Nystagmite]

I wish I had something silly too. Shame it's a brain condition which has caused another 3 incurable medical conditions.

[liverbird37]

Agree 100% with Ruby. I have 2 children also, when I was in a stable relationship, and stopped at 2 because I knew that god forbid the relationship broke down, that I'd still be able to go to work, and provide for my children

 

I too would have loved more kids, but I also knew that I'd find it impossible to find a job that would pay enough to provide for the three of us. We have to take some kind of responsibility for our actions too.

 

I also wish that I had something silly. I'm not sure if having Ankylosing Spondylitis, Sjorgren's Syndrome and a right knee that has severe osteoarthritis, and totally unstable due to having no cartilage, and no cruciate ligaments, and a botched patellar tendon qualify me for the DLA that I am currently awarded. I have no missing limbs, and due to my AS are unable to use a wheelchair. Will crutches suffice ?

Edited February 10, 2013 by liverbird37

[arianna22]

Ok so why would they need it then you tell me a child wuth autism can get grants for special things in the home new beds carpets and things to make is life easier so why does it need dla .drug users and alloholics get it they also get extra income support whats fair in that.not all cancer people get it so wrong.what we need is someone from a poor backround who.s struggled on benefits to join our stupid goverment someone from our backround who knows what its like to live in poverty cause i bet not one of the mps ave ever had to struggling to pay a bill or decide if they can feed their kids or heat their home this wek.

[arianna22]

If u read it tidy i said people in wheelchairs and people like that .my husband suffers blackouts for last 10 years which as caused a brain injury but not serious he.s been taken off dla if he.s a drug addic which is not an illness its through choice hay they can get it .i mean proper illnesses not some of the stupid things like headaches yeah i get them everyday to.

[liverbird37]

you have raised this point before in another thread, and caused a great amount of anger and upset to many. I am going to refrain from commenting on your Autism opinion as I'm likely to say something I'll get in trouble for.

 

I have a friend who has Autism, he is only a teenager, so knowing what he has to go through, and the emotional and financial support he needs, makes your ignorant and ill-informed comments even more inflammatory.

 

I suggest you have a lot of anger, and need to channel that in the correct way, and not like this.

[hine moa]

you have raised this point before in another thread, and caused a great amount of anger and upset to many. I am going to refrain from commenting on your Autism opinion as I'm likely to say something I'll get in trouble for.

 

I have a friend who has Autism, he is only a teenager, so knowing what he has to go through, and the emotional and financial support he needs, makes your ignorant and ill-informed comments even more inflammatory.

 

I suggest you have a lot of anger, and need to channel that in the correct way, and not like this.

 

Ditto, what liverbird said. I have a son with Autism and know only too well how we have struggled over the years.

You are insulting with your blanket statements that just tell us all that you actually have no clue what you are talking about.

Maybe your anger would be better focussed elsewhere.

[Nystagmite]

I have Autism and require noise cancelling headphones to ensure that I don't go out, have a meltdown and then run off. These cost at least £250. Then there's the food I need, (can't tolerate certain foods) etc. Some people with Autism require communication aids. These can cost a few thousand.

 

Maybe you should some time with someone who has Autism to see how difficult their life is. More often than not, they also have other conditions, such as Downs Syndrome.

 

I used to get headaches most days too - more than likely caused by underlying (and undiagnosed) brain condition. Mine were actually migraine - these are so painful and when I have them, I am in no fit state to do anything at all, apart from lay down in a dark room.

[Guest]

now ignoring this thread I find it more likely to raise my bloodpressure than be of any help in any way.......DITTO WHAT LIVERBIRD SAID

[antone]

If u read it tidy i said people in wheelchairs and people like that .my husband suffers blackouts for last 10 years which as caused a brain injury but not serious he.s been taken off dla if he.s a drug addic which is not an illness its through choice hay they can get it .i mean proper illnesses not some of the stupid things like headaches yeah i get them everyday to.

 

OK, thank you very much for your opinions. They are perfectly clear and it is no longer necessary to continually restate them.

 

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