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    • I'm not sure on the best option here, I'm happy to go with Tomlin, however I can afford to pay this one in full if needed and wonder whether I should be trying to get a reduced amount, perhaps in the court hallway before going in? that would require submitting a WS of some sort. What I 'like' (strong word) about TO in this instance, is that it allows me to keep my savings to hand for further accounts needing attention in the near future and I would hope gives me some control over the pcm amount.. I've read a number of TO threads now (fell to sleep at the keyboard last night ) but have a few questions please: - Do I specify the payment arrangement in a TO or the claimant? I'm thinking 20% lump upfront plus 96 months of circa 60 squid. - Who decides repayment amounts if CCJ is granted? if the judge, then do I submit I&E at any point? Given the amount of total debt across all my claims, I need to ensure anything I commit to is future proofed. I wouldn't want all my disposable income sent to this one debt, only to have another one in a month or two.
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It is my understanding they must serve notice to any hearsay evidence pursuant to CPR 33.2(1)(B) (notice of intention to rely on hearsay evidence) and Section 2 (1) (A) of the Civil Evidence Act. 2.  I understand that the claimant is an Assignee, a buyer of defunct or bad debts, which are bought on mass portfolios at a much reduced cost to the amount claimed and which the original creditors have already wrote off as a capital loss and claimed against taxable income as confirmed in the claimants witness statement exhibit by way of the Deed of Assignment. 3. As an assignee or creditor as defined in section 189 of the CCA this applies to this new requirement on assignment of rights.  This means that when an assignee purchases debts (or otherwise acquires rights under a credit agreement) it also acquires certain obligations to the borrower including the duty to comply with CCA requirements (such as the rules on statements and notices and other post-contractual information).  The assignee becomes the creditor under the agreement. This ensures that essential consumer protections under the CCA cannot be circumvented by assigning the debt to a third party. 4.  I became aware of original Judgement following a routine credit check on or around 14th September 2020. 5. The alleged letter of claim dated 7 January 2020 was served to a previous address which I moved out of in 2018, no effort was made to ascertain my correct address.  I have attached a copy of my tenancy agreement which is marked ‘Appendix 1’ and shows I was residing at a difference address as of 11 December 2018 and was therefore not at the service address at the time the proceedings were served.  I have also attached an email from my solicitors to the Claimants solicitors dated 14 July 2022 which was sent to them requesting that they disclose the trace of evidence they utilised prior to issuing the proceedings against me.  This is marked ‘Appendix 2’. The claimants solicitors did not provide me with these documents. 6. Under The Pre-Action Protocol for Debt Claims 2017 a Debt Buyer must undertake all reasonable enquiries to ensure the correct address of a debtor, this can be as simple as a credit file search. 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It is again denied that I have ever entered into an agreement with Barclaycard on or around 2000.  It is admitted that I did hold other credit agreements with other creditors and as such should this be a debt that was assigned to Barclaycard from another brand therefore the reconstituted agreement disclosed is invalid being pre April 2007 and not legally enforceable pursuant to HHJ Judge Waksman in Carey v HSBC 2009 EWHC3417.  Details of this are attached and marked ‘Appendix 6’. The original credit agreement must be provided along with any reconstituted version on a modified credit agreement and must contain the names and address of debtor and creditor, agreement number and cancelation clause. 11. Therefore the claimant is put to strict proof to disclose a true executed legible agreement on which its claim relies upon and not mislead the court. 12. It is denied I have ever received a default Notice pursuant to sec 87(1) CCA1974.The claimant is put to strict proof to evidence from the original creditors internal document software the trigger of said notice.  13.   As per CPR 1.4(2)(a) the court encourages parties to cooperate with each other in the conduct of proceedings in order to try and save time and costs for the parties and to also save the time and resources of the court however, despite vast attempts at mediation the claimants have been most unreasonable and have remained unwilling to mediate. 14. Until such time the claimant can comply and disclose a true executed copy of the original assigned agreement they refer to within the particulars of this claim they are not entitled while the default continues, to enforce the agreement pursuant to section 78.6 (a) of the Credit Consumer Act 1974. I believe that the facts stated in this Witness Statement are true.  I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth. Signed                 ………………………………………………….. Name                  XXXX Date                     30 April 2024   Run 3 copies Court /Claimants Sol/File
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I've only just started out against Abbey

- did the prelim letter with a SARN request

- got my statements

- used the spreadsheet to list the charges (2K)

- sent an LBA with the schedule

- have received the standard complaints 'we will look into it' crap, today

 

I'm now waiting another week for the 14 days to elapse then on we will go to the next stage.

 

I wanted to say to any posters that I've found the process relatively simple to follow once I'd got my head around it and read the advice on the site. The site isn't fantastically laid out, but it is worth reading through some (possibly) irrelevant material in order to get a fuller understanding of what you are doing by the time you find the particular nuggets you need.

 

It isn't a quick fix. I had a home repossessed in the 90's and went through a long and drawn out process with the legal system before getting most of the debt written off (see home-repo.org). This seems very similar. What got me and thousands of others through that was

 

- You have to be persistent.

- You have to hold your nerve.

 

Once banks realise that you won't go away, that you won't engage in six months of navel-gazing, and that you are not frightened of them, they will give up and they will pay up.

 

Keep The Faith - as we say at Man City.

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You are correct about the 8% being at the CC summons stage.

 

The overdraft interest calculation is complex, as first you have to work out what periods you were in overdraft. If you were permanently in o/d then that simplifies things.

 

What you then need to do is divide your o/d interest rate by 365, to get a daily rate - then appy it to the individual items on the spreadsheet.

 

Have fun!

hi this is argirossi and I am slowly understanding how all this works, just posting this to say thanks thank thank I am undestanding.........

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Hi, I am also ready to send my prelim letter. I have completed my schedule of charges although chose not to claim the overdraft interest at the moment as it seems v complcated (although I will be adding the 8% at cc point) What I did realise when doing my schedule of charges was that there are a couple of statements missing between the end of the 'microfiche' documents and the actual copies statements. I suspect there are some charges durinfg this time but don't want to delay sending any longer as I have procrastinated long enough. Would it be wise to add some type of notation that there may be further clims for any amounts during this time (alhtough it may take me forever to get the statements) Any advice would be gratefully received.

 

Thanks

T J :p

 

 

S.A.R Sent 21/8/06

Statements and microfiche received 11/10/06

Request for payement of charges 29/1/07

LBA sent 21/2/07

MCLO filed 26/3/07

Acknowledgement of service recieved 4/4/07

Defence filed/received - transferred to Southend 30/4/07

Stayed unitl 27/6/07

Allocation & Case Management Conference 17/7/07 14:00pm

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TJ,

Would it be wise to add some type of notation that there may be further clims for any amounts during this time (alhtough it may take me forever to get the statements).
That sounds a bit neither one thing nor the other. Realistically, they're not going to turn up unless you get tough with Abbey. So, knickers to "notation", you have to make it very clear in your Prelim that they have not fully complied with your S.A.R - (Subject Access Request) (which I think you did) - specify which months are missing and when you want them by. If they still don't comply, just use the data you have to estimate the charges for the missing period and include that in your LBA and N1 highlighting it as such. Regards, Mad Nick.

Abbey £8370 settled 17 Apr 07

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8% is fine but you have actually been charged more, if you have a copy of your tarriff of charges you will see that the current "unauthorised overdraft" is at 28.9%, authorised od charges would be wither 10.9 or 16.9% so I would ask abbey to confirm this, or go thru your statements and calculate exactly how much. I work for 'em so don;t let them get away with paying any less!

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Hi, K here, first time user and dont have a clue how to start this ball rolling, am living in Ireland but have lived and had an account with Abbey for app 11 years.. i not only have a current acc but had a cc also.... amy seem a bit silly but how do i get onto the "bank templates library".... any help much appreciated.. :roll:

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Thank you v much, do you know if I had a previous cc account can i include this in my initial letter to abbey.... i do not have the past details of the cc account..

 

Hello Sham

 

You are allowed to ask for all info they hold on yourself, no matter whether you have held 1 account with them or 10!!!!!!!! Info on all the accounts you ask for in your name should be supplied by the shABBEY for a max. £10, hence why you give them the £10! Put all the info you require in your initial letter.

 

Phil:)

This is only my personal, honest opinion!

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You can send it to their Complaints department:

 

Complaints

Abbey

PO Box 5129

Milton Keynes

MK9 2YN

 

Though it does'nt matter if you send it to their head office at Triton Square!Their address when you start court action is:

 

Abbey National plc

2-3 Triton Square

London

NW1 3AN

 

Phil:)

 

Hi Philread1,

 

I sent my court bundle to Abbey Milton Keynes registered post should I have sent it to the London address?

 

I have checked the Royal mail website and it says it has been delived and signed for?

 

You know what its like in MK they seem to loose alot of paper work for some strange reason.

 

thanks

Dave

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Hi

this is my 1st time too! i have 3 years of statements and my charges are in excess of 3k i also bank with Abbey

should i send my preliminary letter for those charges and then do a separate 1 for the other 3 years??

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Hello Chatterbox

 

If you have some statements in your possession, then if the shABBEY have'nt complied with your Subject Access Request within 40 days, you can start your claim based on an estimated figure worked out from those statements you have in your possession.

 

For example, from the statements you have, work out the amount of charges divided by the amount of months they cover, then multiply that figure by the amount of months you intend to claim for, ie 6 yrs = 72 mths.

 

I hope your maths is OK!!!:D

 

My claim was based on an estimate, and a few days after I put my claim in, they sent me the remainder of my statements through!

 

Hope this helps!

Phil:)

PS Try and make the figure as realistic as possible, but don't underestimate!

This is only my personal, honest opinion!

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Hi

 

I am quite new to this. I have sent off the 1st letter asking for my bank statements for the last 6 yrs and giving them 40 days, that was on 26th February (recorded delivery). Since they hadn't replied I sent a chaser letter of 27th March to remind them and now their time is up. Since the 2nd letter says the amount is £xxxx and I don't know how much yet to claim what do I do to get them to respond to my 1st letter or at least acknowledge it if there is a backlog. I am worried that they think that if they do not respond I'll go away, whereas I don't want to do the wrong thing and make a mess of my claim cos I think it may be for quite a few £.

 

I would be helpful to any help on this

 

Angie

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Hi

 

Not sure if my first message worked - so I am asking again please.

 

I have sent my initial letter requesting my statements and saying they have 40 days to reply and enclosed a cheque for £10. I sent it by recorded delivery on 26th February but they havn't replied to me. I sent a chaser letter on 27th March, but still nothing. I can't send the 2nd letter yest as I don't know what they owe me. What can I do now as I don't want to jeopardise my claim. Can anyone help me please. I'm a bit nervous.

 

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Hello Angie

 

As I've said in my previous post, you can now proceed with an estimated claim through MCOL, what I did'nt really say above was that you can still proceed down the estimated route even if you have no statements. As long as you can show that you have tried to work out the charges as realistically as possible, putting an estimated claim together is fine. Once they receive your claim from the courts, that will kick them into action if nothing else does to get your info to you! Just make sure your estimate is higher rather than lower than your expected charges!

 

Before that, maybe try calling Pam Speed and try getting your info off her. Her no. is 08457 654321

 

If you have no luck with Pam, go forward with what I mentioned above.

 

Phil:)

This is only my personal, honest opinion!

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Hello chatterbox

 

Remember, there is no stupid question on this site!!!!! We've all been where you are now!

 

You have to send a copy of your schedule of charges with both your Prelim & LBA. This is made up of the charges you think that the shABBEY have hit you for.

 

Take a look at Griggsy's thread, I've just written a long post on his thread to try and explain how you do your schedule if its estimated!

 

http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/abbey-bank/81848-abbey-no-reply.html

 

If you need any more help PM me!

Phil:)

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