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Hi, we ordered online an adult return for my 16 year old son to go to school. The system said the charge was £2.90 on the 7.56am so we booked the ticket and collected it from the machine at the station.

When he then turned up at the station he was told the ticket was wrong and so had to buy a new one, and took his out ticket. He then returned earlier than expected and was stopped told the ticket was wrong and I have been presented with a £20 fine.

We have re-entered the times onto the compter for another day and it still shows a £2.90 return fair for that train. Obviously we will appeal with copies of the paperwork, but if we pay the fine now that appears to be an admission of guilt and means they would not be taking me to court to allow me to have my say if they refuse the appeal.

 

I guess my question is:

If I pay and the appeal is refused how would I be able to take it further?

Are the rail company actually able to act as judge and jury on their own actions?

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Hi. Before answering the questions, we need to understand the exact nature of the problem.

When you say 'the ticket was wrong'; why? Was it an Off-Peak ticket being used at peak time for example? What online POS did you use?

 

PS: very simplistically, the very short answer to both your questions is 'Yes'; but not completely.

 

Good luck!

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It was ordered online on the Southern website for pick up at the machine. The site showed times of trains with the price of the ticket at the side.

The ticket was Off Peak but showing available for the train being used. Our assumption being that if the Southern site shows a price for a train then prints Off Peak that train would be off peak.

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IF he was issued a PF for travelling on a peak train with an Off-Peak ticket then appeal as you cannot be PF'd for being on a restricted ticket. I am VERY surprised that any PF collector would issue a PF under these circumstances, is there more to this?

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you cannot be PF'd for being on a restricted ticket.

 

True, but if an inspector considered there was a deliberate attempt to use a cheaper ticket in order to 'gain a pecuniary advantage' and thereby to avoid the correct fare, a report can be pursued.

 

In the case of a 16 year-old I doubt that the TOC would want to pursue such a charge and cannot see why he wasn't simply asked to pay the difference on the outward trip in order to make the ticket valid, unless as you say RPI, perhaps there's more to it.

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I agree with you totally OC, the matter can be reported if fraud is suspected BUT you cannot be PF'd for being on a restricted ticket and it seems that a PF was issued in this instance. Here's a thought, (quite possibly putting 2 and 2 together and making 75, but.....) could it be possible that the passenger was asked to pay the excess but had no money, then the RPI decided to PF rather than report thr matter?

On the PF notice, which box is ticket for "reason"? is it "00 No ticket"?

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Im considering whether their maybe confusion with regards to the ticket. Did the OP purchase a child or Adult rate ticket? As the user is 16 it should be an adult one. There is no reason given as to why the ticket was "wrong" and the pf issued.

 

The OP made clear that they had purchased an 'adult' ticket in the original post.

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