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hi,

I was caught on london underground in 2004 for travelling without ticket and avoiding fare,

i dint have money to pay the fare or ticket and so the ticket checking inspector took my details and let me go.

 

I moved place after little while and after few weeks I got a call from my old landlord in may 2005 that I have received letter from marylebone magistrates court.

 

It was a fine of £152.50 and I was scared, I paid the £52.50 up front and for the rest of £100 I asked for weekly instalment of £10.

 

Now I cant remember paying off the whole £100 as this was may/june 2005.

 

I know in back of my mind I would have paid off, the only proof I could have was the payment slip book I got from the central accounting office to pay off the fine,

which I have lost unfortunately.

 

after this many years I tried to find out if my fine is settled, I called up the central accouting office and they dont have record of my account,

the court that imposed the fine seems to be replaced by city of westminster magistrate court and they too dont have any of my details.

 

Assuming if the fine was unpaid, it would have resulted in further conviction.

 

So I had a basic crb done and a pnc record search done and both came out clean.

 

Can I assume the fine was indeed settled and I am being paranoid ?

 

Is there any London prosecution number that can help ?

 

Is it possible that my records have not been passed to pnc,

the letter i got from court clearly said failure to pay can lead to arrest,

 

I am assuming that had I failed to make the payment it surely would have resulted in some sort of record on PNC.

 

Kindly advise,

 

Golu

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you would have known about this aLONG time ago if it was not paid i can assure you

 

 

dx

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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you would have known about this aLONG time ago if it was not paid i can assure you

 

 

dx

 

I know what you mean but I moved to a new address shortly so if something had come through at old address I wouldnt know.

 

Do you know if the fine was unpaid would it lead to further conviction and some criminal proceeding ?

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you would know

 

stop worrying and forget about it.

 

dx

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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Thanks Dx again but in back of my mind I am unable to stop worrying about it unless I know this is settled.

 

I called up London underground prosecution and he said because the fine was imposed by magistrates court he wouldnt know if it was repaid or not.

 

When I told him I had my CRB and PNC come out clean he said that these prosecutions wont come up on there,

I am quite surprised because he was very keen to mention in beginning that I am convicted and hence have a criminal record,

what I dont know if how come there is no information about it in PNC.

 

So the central accouting office arent able to help and LU dont know anything,

the court which imposed the fine is no more ( Marylebone Magistrates' court ) so I dont know which court to write to.

 

Lets say if it was unpaid and I had mvoed to a new place,

wouldnt the bailiffs have found out where I live,

given that my National insurance,

my council tax bill are all having my address.

 

I feel so stupid of losing the payment slip book!

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if all your addresses are on your cra file then you would have heard by now believe me!

 

dx

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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yes though thinking about it

it wont show there anyhow

scrub that!

 

dx

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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Am i wrong in assuming that if it was unpaid, then the court would have taken further action ? I mean I have a clean basic crb and pnc check and I am using that as leverage to believe that it indeed was settled...

 

Also called up marston group and phillips collections ( They are the bailiffs that courts give out their work ) and they too dont have any details about me....

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then i'd say you're ok

as i have from the start

 

dx

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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