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    • further polished WS using above suggestions and also included couple of more modifications highlighted in orange are those ok to include?   Background   1.1  The Defendant received the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) on the 06th of January 2020 following the vehicle being parked at Arla Old Dairy, South Ruislip on the 05th of December 2019.   Unfair PCN   2.1  On 19th December 2023 the Defendant sent the Claimant's solicitors a CPR request.  As shown in Exhibit 1 (pages 7-13) sent by the solicitors the signage displayed in their evidence clearly shows a £60.00 parking charge notice (which will be reduced to £30 if paid within 14 days of issue).  2.2  Yet the PCN sent by the Claimant is for a £100.00 parking charge notice (reduced to £60 if paid within 30 days of issue).   2.3        The Claimant relies on signage to create a contract.  It is unlawful for the Claimant to write that the charge is £60 on their signs and then send demands for £100.    2.4        The unlawful £100 charge is also the basis for the Claimant's Particulars of Claim.  No Locus Standi  3.1  I do not believe a contract with the landowner, that is provided following the defendant’s CPR request, gives MET Parking Services a right to bring claims in their own name. Definition of “Relevant contract” from the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4,  2 [1] means a contract Including a contract arising only when the vehicle was parked on the relevant land between the driver and a person who is-   (a) the owner or occupier of the land; or   (b) Authorised, under or by virtue of arrangements made by the owner or occupier of the land, to enter into a contract with the driver requiring the payment of parking charges in respect of the parking of the vehicle on the land. According to https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/46/section/44   For a contract to be valid, it requires a director from each company to sign and then two independent witnesses must confirm those signatures.   3.2  The Defendant requested to see such a contract in the CPR request.  The fact that no contract has been produced with the witness signatures present means the contract has not been validly executed. Therefore, there can be no contract established between MET Parking Services and the motorist. Even if “Parking in Electric Bay” could form a contract (which it cannot), it is immaterial. There is no valid contract.  Illegal Conduct – No Contract Formed   4.1 At the time of writing, the Claimant has failed to provide the following, in response to the CPR request from myself.   4.2        The legal contract between the Claimant and the landowner (which in this case is Standard Life Investments UK) to provide evidence that there is an agreement in place with landowner with the necessary authority to issue parking charge notices and to pursue payment by means of litigation.   4.3 Proof of planning permission granted for signage etc under the Town and country Planning Act 1990. Lack of planning permission is a criminal offence under this Act and no contract can be formed where criminality is involved.   4.4        I also do not believe the claimant possesses these documents.   No Keeper Liability   5.1        The defendant was not the driver at the time and date mentioned in the PCN and the claimant has not established keeper liability under schedule 4 of the PoFA 2012. In this matter, the defendant puts it to the claimant to produce strict proof as to who was driving at the time.   5.2 The claimant in their Notice To Keeper also failed to comply with PoFA 2012 Schedule 4 section 9[2][f] while mentioning “the right to recover from the keeper so much of that parking charge as remains unpaid” where they did not include statement “(if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met)”.     5.3         The claimant did not mention parking period, times on the photographs are separate from the PCN and in any case are that arrival and departure times not the parking period since their times include driving to and from the parking space as a minimum and can include extra time to allow pedestrians and other vehicles to pass in front.    Protection of Freedoms Act 2012   The notice must -   (a) specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates;  22. In the persuasive judgement K4GF167G - Premier Park Ltd v Mr Mathur - Horsham County Court – 5 January 2024 it was on this very point that the judge dismissed this claim.  5.4  A the PCN does not comply with the Act the Defendant as keeper is not liable.  No Breach of Contract   6.1       No breach of contract occurred because the PCN and contract provided as part of the defendant’s CPR request shows different post code, PCN shows HA4 0EY while contract shows HA4 0FY. According to PCN defendant parked on HA4 0EY which does not appear to be subject to the postcode covered by the contract.  6.2         The entrance sign does not mention anything about there being other terms inside the car park so does not offer a contract which makes it only an offer to treat,  Interest  7.1  It is unreasonable for the Claimant to delay litigation for  Double Recovery   7.2  The claim is littered with made-up charges.  7.3  As noted above, the Claimant's signs state a £60 charge yet their PCN is for £100.  7.4  As well as the £100 parking charge, the Claimant seeks recovery of an additional £70.  This is simply a poor attempt to circumvent the legal costs cap at small claims.  7.5 Since 2019, many County Courts have considered claims in excess of £100 to be an abuse of process leading to them being struck out ab initio. An example, in the Caernarfon Court in VCS v Davies, case No. FTQZ4W28 on 4th September 2019, District Judge Jones-Evans stated “Upon it being recorded that District Judge Jones- Evans has over a very significant period of time warned advocates (...) in many cases of this nature before this court that their claim for £60 is unenforceable in law and is an abuse of process and is nothing more than a poor attempt to go behind the decision of the Supreme Court v Beavis which inter alia decided that a figure of £160 as a global sum claimed in this case would be a penalty and not a genuine pre-estimate of loss and therefore unenforceable in law and if the practice continued, he would treat all cases as a claim for £160 and therefore a penalty and unenforceable in law it is hereby declared (…) the claim is struck out and declared to be wholly without merit and an abuse of process.”  7.6 In Claim Nos. F0DP806M and F0DP201T, District Judge Taylor echoed earlier General Judgment or Orders of District Judge Grand, stating ''It is ordered that the claim is struck out as an abuse of process. The claim contains a substantial charge additional to the parking charge which it is alleged the Defendant contracted to pay. This additional charge is not recoverabl15e under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4 nor with reference to the judgment in Parking Eye v Beavis. It is an abuse of process from the Claimant to issue a knowingly inflated claim for an additional sum which it is not entitled to recover. This order has been made by the court of its own initiative without a hearing pursuant to CPR Rule 3.3(4)) of the Civil Procedure Rules 1998...''  7.7 In the persuasive case of G4QZ465V - Excel Parking Services Ltd v Wilkinson – Bradford County Court -2 July 2020 (Exhibit 4) the judge had decided that Excel had won. However, due to Excel adding on the £60 the Judge dismissed the case.  7.8        The addition of costs not previously specified on signage are also in breach of the Consumer Rights Act 2015, Schedule 2, specifically paras 6, 10 and 14.   7.9        It is the Defendant’s position that the Claimant in this case has knowingly submitted inflated costs and thus the entire claim should be similarly struck out in accordance with Civil Procedure Rule 3.3(4).   In Conclusion   8.1        I invite the court to dismiss the claim.  Statement of Truth  I believe that the facts stated in this witness statement are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.   
    • Well the difference is that in all our other cases It was Kev who was trying to entrap the motorist so sticking two fingers up to him and daring him to try court was from a position of strength. In your case, sorry, you made a mistake so you're not in the position of strength.  I've looked on Google Maps and the signs are few & far between as per Kev's MO, but there is an entrance sign saying "Pay & Display" (and you've admitted in writing that you knew you had to pay) and the signs by the payment machines do say "Sea View Car Park" (and you've admitted in writing you paid the wrong car park ... and maybe outed yourself as the driver). Something I missed in my previous post is that the LoC is only for one ticket, not two. Sorry, but it's impossible to definitively advise what to so. Personally I'd probably gamble on Kev being a serial bottler of court and reply with a snotty letter ridiculing the signage (given you mentioned the signage in your appeal) - but it is a gamble.  
    • No! What has happened is that your pix were up-to-date: 5 hours' maximum stay and £100 PCN. The lazy solicitors have sent ancient pictures: 4 hours' maximum stay and £60 PCN. Don't let on!  Let them be hoisted by their own lazy petard in the court hearing (if they don't bottle before).
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Information Commissioners Office manipulation of data possibly.

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I have attached the 2 entries one of them was on the snap shot on 7th April and the the other one is the snapshop on 13th May.

 

To me this is dodgy as anything!

 

What does anyone else think?

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One says previous address, one says current address. Is there an entry for previous address still live? Be careful here... please. Yes, there is something very wrong, but you are recording and storing the evidence – that’s all you can do. If changes have been made for nefarious reasons, you have the back up. You can only progress this on the facts. Let”s keep digging. Equifax will have an audit trail, so changes will be logged.

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There was never a default date entered on the original one which was the snapshot taken on 7th April!!

 

I just dont know what to do now as not heard from anyone at HFO since I sent prove it letter apart from them contacting equifax when I reported it as inaccurate them asking them to get me to ring them!

 

It's really alarming that they are aloud to update like they have done!

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Keep the screenshots and keep a diary of this. You have to be pedantic to catch them out, otherwise admin error will get them off the hook. Suggest a letter to HFO and Experian to challenge this development and to demand an explanation, copied to the ICO.

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They need to explain these changes immediately as the data they now hold is inaccurate and misleading.

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Agreed DB it must be challenged an quickly.

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Yes, Brigadier. Too often on CAG we sit back and don’t challenge the feckers head on – if they state something that is wrong, challenge it. You can do this without admitting to any debt.

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Totally agree DB many people have suffered and tragedies have have happened because the

financial wrong doing of the whole debt industry and the banking system have gone unchallenged for years

and the DCa's and CRA's have become complacent in the knowledge that they san get away with abuses with very little likely hood

of having any major penalties awarded against them.

 

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Ok I'm on a bus so won't know if anything has been received until about an hours time via the post!

 

Ive mentioned this to a colleague who's got quite abit of knowledge in the cca area but he's inclined to wait til they respond...

 

But I have legal cover on my home insurance but doesn't cover if im defending the case so if I wait til they contact me that cover may not help!

 

But what I'm thinking Is - should I go to these legal teams explained to them what's happened now and get them to build up a case for this?

 

Or

 

Can people help me draft up a letter that I can send to then so we can tackle them now?

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I have no doubt the guys and gals will help.

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Another Update.

 

Today I have received Copy of statements. I have not asked for this back in April I asked them to prove to me I owe this debt.

 

Their exact wording of the covering letter is:

 

Dear xxxx

 

Please find attached a copy of your statements with Barclaycard, which you have requested for.

 

Please contact your account manager xxx on 0203 xxx xxxx in regards to your debt.

 

This was in response the the prove it letter I have attached.

 

To me this proves nothing, and looking thru it looks like its been put under 3 different first names now... 2 on my credit file and 1 from July 05.

 

The first statement shows an address I havent lived at for nearly 7 years and a payment made in 22nd July 2005 by direct debit.

 

The address they show I moved from there in November 2004.

 

Not sure on how to attack this next!

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Has anything actually got your real 1st name on it?

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Only an abbreviation of my first name. on the lastest letter from HFO.

 

Also looking at the first statement that shows payment was taken by DD says dd mandate is cancelled!

 

Now as this is not my debt what do I do next?

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I have only one suggestion have you done a formal complaint to Barclaycrud and exhausted their complaints

procedure ( sorry if you have been aked before but I can't seem to access the previous posts).

As it's is Barclaycaruds original mess it might be worth to get a final response it and take it to FOS.

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Not as of yet as I was awaiting HFO's response.

 

Should I do that and copy in HFO and in the process ask them to stop contacting me until the response from Barclaycard?

 

I was thinking of sending them another 'prove it' letter and amend it slightly to say this is not what I was looking for? I feel the CCA request or SAR will be irrelevant in my case!

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Hi sorry my last post seems to have disappeared, as you don't seem to be getting any where, yes make the complaint, make sure

you head it FORMAL COMPLAINT, send RD and copy in HFO.

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Hi DB I see your on line are you having any problems on the site?

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I was thinking of responding to them that they have 7 or 14 days to comply with my request for the proof as statements is not acceptable!

 

In there quote a few things I've learnt about the oft and the debt and give them the chance to respond even if it's to ask for more information or they need more time but if no response or they respond out of this time frame I then take it further like starting with a complaint to barclaycard!

 

People talk about debts being sb after 6 years this Isnt my debt so technically me disputing this is doing someone a favour!

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IMHO you have done all you possibly can trying to get the information through normal channels

I reckon it's time to up the action on them:boxing::boxing:

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