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    • Speaking of the reformatory boys, here they are with all of their supporters, some of whom traveled with them from miles away, all carefully crammed together and photographed to look like there were more than about 80 .. rather like Farages last rally with even fewer people crammed around what looked like an ice cream van or mobile tea bar ... Although a number in the crowd apparently thought they were at a vintage car rally as they appeared to be chanting 'crank-her'. A vintage Bentley must be out of view.   Is this all there is? Its less than the Tory candidate. - shut up and smile while they get a camera angle that looks better
    • in order for us to help you we require the following information:- Which Court have you received the claim from ? Canterbury If possible please scan redact and upload a full page copy of page 1 of the claim form. ( Name of the Claimant ? Moneybarn No 1   How many defendant's  joint or self ? One Date of issue – top right hand corner of the claim form – this in order to establish the time line you need to adhere to. 29/05/24 Acknowledged by 14/06/24  Defence by 29/06/24  Particulars of Claim PARTICULARS OF CLAIM   1.  By a Conditional Sale Agreement in writing made on 25th August 2022. Between the Claimant and Defendant, the Claimant let to the Defendant on Conditional Sale. A Ford Ranger 3.2 TDCi (200 P S) 4x4 Wildtrack  Double Cab Pickup 3200cc (Sep.2015) Registration No, ******* Chassis number ***************** (“The Vehicle”).  A copy of the agreement is attached   2.  The price of the goods was £15,995.00.  The Initial Rental was £8500.00.  The total charge for credit was £3575.;17 And the balance of £11,070.17 was payable by 59 equal consecutive monthly instalments of £187 63. payable on the 25th of each month.   3.  The following were expressed conditions of the set agreement,   Clause 8: Our Right to End this Agreement  8.1   Subject to sending you the notice as required by law, any of the following events will entitle us to end this Agreement: 8.1.2  You fail to pay the advance payment (if any) or any of the payments as specified on the front page of this agreement or any other sum payable under this Agreement. 8.1.3 If any of the information you have given us before entering into this Agreement or during the term of this Agreement was false 8.1.4 We consider, acting reasonably, that the goods may be in jeopardy or that our rights in the goods may otherwise be prejudiced. 8.1.5 If you die 8.1.6 If a bankruptcy petition is presented against you; if you petition for your own bankruptcy, or make a live arrangement with your creditors or call a meeting of them. 8. 1.7 If in Scotland, you become insolvent or sequestration or a receiver, judicial factor or trustee to be appointed over any of your estate, or effects or suffer an arrestment, charge attachment or other diligence to be issued or levied on any of your estate or effects or suffer any exercise, or threatened exercise of landlords hype hypothec 8.1.8 If you are a partnership, you are dissolved 8.1.9 If the goods are destroyed, lost, stolen and/or treated by the insurer as a total loss in response to an insurance claim. 8.1.10 If we reasonably believe any payment made to us in respect of this Agreement is a proceed of crime. 8.1.11 If steps are taken by us to terminate any other agreement which you have entered into with us.   Clause 9.  Effect of Us Terminating Agreement   9.1 If this Agreement terminates under clause 8 the following will apply 9.1.1 Subject to the rights given to you by law, you will no longer be entitled to possession of the goods and must return them to us to an address as we may reasonably specify, (removing or commencing the removal of any cherished plates) together with a V5 registration certificate, both sets of keys and a service record book. If you are unable or unwilling to return the goods to us then we shall collect the goods and we'll charge you in accordance with clause 10.3 9.1.2 We will be entitled to immediate payment from you for all payments and all other sums do under this agreement at the date of termination 9.1.3 We will sell the goods or public sale at the earliest opportunity once the goods are in a reasonable condition which includes a return of the items listed in clause 7.1.4 9.1.4 We will be entitled to immediate payment from you of the rest of the Total Amount Payable under this agreement less: ( a) A rebate for early settlement ias required by law which will be calculated and notified to you at the time of payment (b) The proceeds of sale of the goods (if any) after deduction of all costs associated with finding you and/or the goods, recovery, refurbishment and repair. Insurance, storage, sale, agents fees, cherished plate removal, replacement keys, costs associated with obtaining service history for the goods and in relation to obtaining a duplicate V5 registration certificate   4, The following are particulars required by Civil Procedure Rules. Rule 7.9 as set out in 7.1 and 7.2 of the associated Practice Direction entitled Hire Purchase Claims:-   a)     The agreement is dated 25 August 2022. And is between Moneybarn No1 Limited  and xxxxxxxxx under agreement number 756050. b)    The claimant was one of the original parties to the agreement. c)    The agreement is regulated under the Consumer Credit Act 1974. d)    The goods claimed Ford Ranger 3.2 TDCi ( 200 PS) 4x4 Wildtrack Double Cab Pickup 3200 cc (Sep2015} Registration No ^^^^^^^ Chassis number ***************** e)     Thw total price of the goods £19570 f)     The paid up sum £1206 5 g)    The unpaid balance of the total price £7505 (to include charges) h)    A default notice was sent to the defendant on 20th February 2024 by Firrst class post i)      The date when the right to demand delivery of the goods accrued 14 March 2024 j)      The amount if any claimed as an alternative to delivery of the goods 7505 22 include charges ]= 5.  A the date of service of the notice the instalments were £562.89 in arrears. 6. By reason of the Termination of the Agreement by the notice, defendant became liable to pay the sum of £7502 7. The date of maturity the agreement is 24th August 2027. 8. Further or  alternative by reasons of  the Defendant breaches of the agreement by failing to pay the said instalments, the Defendant evinced an intention no longer to be bound by the Agreement and repudiated it by the said Notice the claimant accepted that repudiation 9. By reason of such repudiation the claimant has suffered loss and damage.   Total amount payable £19570 Less sum paid or in arrears by the date of repudiation £12064 97 Balance £7505 (to include charges.) ( The claimant will give credit if necessary for the value of the vehicle if recovered.)  The claimant therefore claims 1.    An order for delivery up of the vehicle 2.    The MoneyClaim to be adjourned generally with liberty to restore,  Upon restoration of the MoneyClaim following return or loss of the vehicle. the Claimant will ensure the pre action protocol for debt claims is followed. 3.    Pursuant to s 90 (1)  of the Consumer Credit Act 1974. An order that the Claimant and/or its agents may enter any premises in which the vehicle is situated in order to recover the vehicle should it not be returned by the Defendant 4.    further or alternatively damages 5.    costs.   Statement of truth The Claimant believes that the facts stated in these Particulars of Claim are true. The Claimant understands that the proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes or causes to be made a false statement in the document for verified by statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth. I am duly Authorised by the Claimant to sign these Particulars of Claim signed Dated 17th of April 2024   What is the total value of the claim? 7502   Have you received prior notice of a claim being issued pursuant to paragraph 3 of the PAPDC (Pre Action Protocol) ? No   Never heard of this   Have you changed your address since the time at which the debt referred to in the claim was allegedly incurred? No   Did you inform the claimant of your change of address? n/a Is the claim for - a Bank Account (Overdraft) or credit card or loan or catalogue or mobile phone account? No   When did you enter into the original agreement before or after April 2007 ? After  Do you recall how you entered into the agreement...On line /In branch/By post ? In a garage  Is the debt showing on your credit reference files (Experian/Equifax /Etc...) ? Yes  Has the claim been issued by the original creditor or was the account assigned and it is the Debt purchaser who has issued the claim. Original Were you aware the account had been assigned – did you receive a Notice of Assignment? n/a   Did you receive a Default Notice from the original creditor? They said sent but nor received   Have you been receiving statutory notices headed “Notice of Sums in Arrears”  or " Notice of Arrears "– at least once a year ? None seen   Why did you cease payments? Still Paying,   What was the date of your last payment? Yesterday  31st May 2024   Was there a dispute with the original creditor that remains unresolved? No   Did you communicate any financial problems to the original creditor and make any attempt to enter into a debt management plan? Yes on 12 Feb 2024   What you need to do now.   Can't scan, will do via another means as you cant have jpg
    • Now that is an interesting article which adds afew perspective that I hadn't thought significant - but on reflection of the perspectives offered ... Now Starmer is no Blair, however 'blairite he may be perceived, but the Tories aren't tories and aren't even remotely liberal   The fast 'unannounced and unexpected election call from sunack may well be explained by the opinion linked that he hoped reform would be unprepared and effectively call a chunk of Farages largely empty bluster - making him look even more of a prat, leave scope for attacks on shabby reform candidates and mimimise core vote losses to reform - while throwing the 'middle ground' (relative) tories TO THE DOGS - and with the added bonus of likely pacifying his missu' desire to jogg off to sunny cal tout suite somewhat   thumb in the air - I expect about 140ish tory seats, but can hope for under a hundred Reform - got to admit the outside possibility of 1, maybe 2 seats with about 8% of the vote - but unlikely. I think projections of over 10% of the vote for reform is nudged and paid for speculation - but possible with the expected massive drives from Russian, Chinese and far right social media bot and troll prods targeting the gullible.
    • Commentary June 2024 WWW.ELECTORALCALCULUS.CO.UK Interesting article about just how bad it could be for the Tories.  Also Tories could be hoping on Reform not having candidates in many seats, as they were not ready.  
    • Even a Piers Morgan is an improvement and a gutless Farage Piers Morgan calls for second Brexit referendum WWW.THELONDONECONOMIC.COM Piers Morgan and Nigel Farage have faced off over Brexit and a second referendum in a heated reunion on BBC Question Time.   “Why don’t we have another referendum about Brexit?” he questioned. “I seem to remember when 2016 came around we were told there was going to be control of our borders and it was going to be economically beneficial to this country. And eight years later we have lost complete control of our borders… and economically it seems to have been a wilful act of self-harm.”   ... Piers missed off : after all somebody said a 48/52 decision would be "unfinished business" by a long way - was that person just bul lying (again)  
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Hi Everyone

 

I am new to the board and I have already learned a lot so thank you very much

 

GE Capital sold my debt to CL Finance in 2008 and I entered an agreement with them to pay £ 33 per month, I increased the payment last year when I could afford to and recently paid an extra £ 350 to pay the money off. Anyway they have totally messed up my credit report by showing me as 6 months in arrears. They told me the payment it has been paid every month on the dot. I fail to see how they can do this. I feel it is unfair of them I already had the same agreement with another big company MBNA and they have marked me down as satisfactory. Why do CL Finance have to be so unfair to their customers?

 

I have made a complaint to the FOS, I have sent them evidence that MBNA have the same agreement yet show me as satisfactory. Thing is I only owe 1.1k now and I can afford to pay it off within a couple of months now if I leave myself short

 

So do I pay it all off and continue the complaint and is there anything else I can do? I am going to fight these people all the way.. I cannot get credit because of them. Does anyone have a clue how long this is on your file for? Also they dont seem to want to update my file with the extra money I have sent - surely that is against the law

 

Their customer service agents definitely didnt go to charm school !!!:!:

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If you will be in a position to clear the debt within a couple of months why don't you try a F&F. Do it carefully making sure that you don't pay apenny until you have everything agreed fully in writing from them stating it is in F&F, that any sum outstanding will be written off and not sold on to a third party for collection and that your CRF will be amended to show settled satisfactorily.

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Sorry! Full and Final settlement. Basically if you're near completing paying the debt they might accept a reduced sum to get it out of the way, but you need to protect yourself in the process to make sure anything written off cannot be sold on to another DCA to collect, and also that your CRF comes up smelling of roses. Obviously this all has to be in writing beofre you hand over the payment.

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Hi Everyone

 

Thing is I only owe 1.1k now and I can afford to pay it off within a couple of months now if I leave myself short

 

Their customer service agents definitely didnt go to charm school !!!:!:

 

The very best advice I can give you is NEVER leave yourself short its totally unnecessary, pay what you can afford nothing else do not give in to the pond life.

 

I’m guessing you’re talking to them on the phone as well, you’ve seen how pointless this is, the second piece of advice is communicate by letter, be firm and understand you hold all the cards, not them the quicker you understand the balance of power the quicker you can get your life back in order.

 

If you are in a position to make a fixed and final offer say 25% and ensure that you get assurances that this will clear the debt and also impact the credit file, its worth doing some research on f&f on this site.

 

If you have to talk them on the phone and I’m against it, be firm and show them who is really the boss and its not them.

 

Something like:

 

You: I’m willing to pay 25%.

CL: No we would want a higher amount.

You: This isn’t a negotiation. You either accept the amount or my payments go down to £20 a month due a change in circumstances, you choice and I want it in writing.

 

Good luck

 

Caggers, We are going to see much more of the heavy handed tactics from our friends at CL now that cattles has been saved.

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actually if you read the small print it hasn't really been saved --it's going to be wound down gradually. It shows that this is a VILE business model and hopefully as consumers become increasingly aware on the pitfalls of getting into debt and the realisation that we CAN often live decently without credit then the future for these types of companies is BLEAK.

 

http://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/businessnews/Cattles-avoids-administration-as-creditors.6708487.jp

 

We have to accept the fact whether we like it or not that some people in ANY POLITICAL SYSTEM will always be either wealthier or more privileged or both.

 

I'm sure if I had just a fraction of Mr Abramovitch's (Chelsea FC owner) money I could do all sorts of things -- but IT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN so just try and do the best you can.

 

Since joining CAG I've been totally amazed at the sheer EVILNESS of the whole Debt collection business which seems to thrive on attacking people when they are at their most vulnerable. You couldn't even MAKE up some of the horror stories you read about on these forums.

 

Whatever you might think about companies such as SHELL and MICROSOFT for example at least they conduct themselves in a "reasonable" manner even if to some people their profits might be bordering on the Obscene.

 

At least they don't charge the nearly 3,000 % interest (Yes thats no typo THREE THOUSAND PERCENT) that companies like WONGA do and IT'S STILL LEGAL.

 

 

Cheers

jimbo

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UnModeratethe net - "Caggers, We are going to see much more of the heavy handed tactics from our friends at CL now that cattles has been saved. "

 

I hardly call what hapened to bovine inc getting saved, but I know what you mean, I would not be suprised if more sh*te come out of the woodwork with this bunch of ner-do-wells

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UnModeratethe net - "Caggers, We are going to see much more of the heavy handed tactics from our friends at CL now that cattles has been saved. "

 

I hardly call what hapened to bovine inc getting saved, but I know what you mean, I would not be suprised if more sh*te come out of the woodwork with this bunch of ner-do-wells

 

Respect PG8-)

 

What worries me is the need to recover the loan book quickly under increased pressure, its never gonna be good for consumers

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Thanks for all the replies, it is good to know that people are on my side. I have had sleepless nights about all of this and recently I decided to put myself back in control.

I am going to do anything it takes to stop these people. what surprises me is that the larger companies have treated me well, as long as I paid the agreed amount they put my credit file as satisfactory. I show that I am trying my best to get out of debt by paying aittle extra every month. I only recently realised that if a complain goes to the FOS and gets to second stage then the debt company have to pay out nearly £500 win or lose. CL have sent me a letter expected me to back down but they will have a fight on their hands because I wont rest. Hopefully then I can come on here and let people know either way.

 

If they genuinely wanted to help people like us they would accept the higher payments to reduce the montly arrears on the report but they wont, all I got was if you dont pay the full amount we are not doing anything.

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UnModeratethe net - "Caggers, We are going to see much more of the heavy handed tactics from our friends at CL now that cattles has been saved. "

 

I hardly call what hapened to bovine inc getting saved, but I know what you mean, I would not be suprised if more sh*te come out of the woodwork with this bunch of ner-do-wells

 

Cattles have been saved? sorry I am new and trying to get my head around the jargon :o) - Ignore just found out who it is..... Thanks

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Cattles own your debt.

 

Yeh sorry about that kinda hijacked your thread, won't happen again8-), let us know how you get on and you need any advice just post, we are here to help.

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CL Lewis are part of the same outfit as CATTLES which trade in human misery by basically "buying" debts for PENNIES in the pound from the OC and then trying to get the debtor to pay the FULL AMOUNT oftern with HUMUNGOUS charges and Interest added -- often illegally.

 

The last thing people need when often through no fault of their own is NASTY THIEVING IMMORAL companies like this trying to extort even more.

 

CATTLES themselves were a "Sub Prime" lender -- lending to people that generally would have problems paying ANY debts so really shouldn't have been lent the money in the first place.

 

Of course CATTLES were unsustainable in the original business model after the banks went belly up.

 

The whole EVIL practice of selling on debts etc and making money out of people who have got themselves into serious difficulty should be BANNED which is great that sites like this exist so people can do everything possible to get these leeches of your backs.

 

I really cant understand how solicitors such as COHEN can really work for these types of outfits and then sleep in thie beds peacefully knowing that they might just have pushed another person who gets utterly scared of this stuff into Suicide.

 

I thionk if I saw these guys crossing the street my Car might get a sudden case of break failure.

 

If this whole business was ever managed COMPASSIONATLY by the ORIGINAL CREDITORS they would get MORE money back and the whole business would operate properly without some really nast characters getting involved such as our own favourite B.C

 

Most people believe iot or not DO want to come to some sort of arrangement but the sheer INFLEXIBILITY of the whole system especially in these days where people's income can change rapidly at short notoice making the sort of Long Term agreements the creditors seem to want is IMPOSSIBLE - especially as more and more people become self empoyed often with NO INCOME for lengthy periods.

 

So well done the CAG and do everything legally possible to stop some of these really VILE companies in their tracks.

 

Cheers

jimbo

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I really cant understand how solicitors such as COHEN can really work for these types of outfits and then sleep in thie beds peacefully knowing that they might just have pushed another person who gets utterly scared of this stuff into Suicide.

 

My snake has no ears and no balls. How does he smell?

 

Like a Howard Cohen Solicitor.8-)

 

Okay its partly my fault but lets stop with the cattles comments and stick with the OP's original question and keep this thread open to further relevant comments. Thanks people

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Thanks very much for the info, I wasnt aware of all of that, this site has given me so much information..

 

You know all I want to do is get myself out of debt and start living my life again, these people treat you like you are low life. Makes you wonder how perfect they are... Firm believer in what goes around comes around..

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