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    • further polished WS using above suggestions and also included couple of more modifications highlighted in orange are those ok to include?   Background   1.1  The Defendant received the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) on the 06th of January 2020 following the vehicle being parked at Arla Old Dairy, South Ruislip on the 05th of December 2019.   Unfair PCN   2.1  On 19th December 2023 the Defendant sent the Claimant's solicitors a CPR request.  As shown in Exhibit 1 (pages 7-13) sent by the solicitors the signage displayed in their evidence clearly shows a £60.00 parking charge notice (which will be reduced to £30 if paid within 14 days of issue).  2.2  Yet the PCN sent by the Claimant is for a £100.00 parking charge notice (reduced to £60 if paid within 30 days of issue).   2.3        The Claimant relies on signage to create a contract.  It is unlawful for the Claimant to write that the charge is £60 on their signs and then send demands for £100.    2.4        The unlawful £100 charge is also the basis for the Claimant's Particulars of Claim.  No Locus Standi  3.1  I do not believe a contract with the landowner, that is provided following the defendant’s CPR request, gives MET Parking Services a right to bring claims in their own name. Definition of “Relevant contract” from the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4,  2 [1] means a contract Including a contract arising only when the vehicle was parked on the relevant land between the driver and a person who is-   (a) the owner or occupier of the land; or   (b) Authorised, under or by virtue of arrangements made by the owner or occupier of the land, to enter into a contract with the driver requiring the payment of parking charges in respect of the parking of the vehicle on the land. According to https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/46/section/44   For a contract to be valid, it requires a director from each company to sign and then two independent witnesses must confirm those signatures.   3.2  The Defendant requested to see such a contract in the CPR request.  The fact that no contract has been produced with the witness signatures present means the contract has not been validly executed. Therefore, there can be no contract established between MET Parking Services and the motorist. Even if “Parking in Electric Bay” could form a contract (which it cannot), it is immaterial. There is no valid contract.  Illegal Conduct – No Contract Formed   4.1 At the time of writing, the Claimant has failed to provide the following, in response to the CPR request from myself.   4.2        The legal contract between the Claimant and the landowner (which in this case is Standard Life Investments UK) to provide evidence that there is an agreement in place with landowner with the necessary authority to issue parking charge notices and to pursue payment by means of litigation.   4.3 Proof of planning permission granted for signage etc under the Town and country Planning Act 1990. Lack of planning permission is a criminal offence under this Act and no contract can be formed where criminality is involved.   4.4        I also do not believe the claimant possesses these documents.   No Keeper Liability   5.1        The defendant was not the driver at the time and date mentioned in the PCN and the claimant has not established keeper liability under schedule 4 of the PoFA 2012. In this matter, the defendant puts it to the claimant to produce strict proof as to who was driving at the time.   5.2 The claimant in their Notice To Keeper also failed to comply with PoFA 2012 Schedule 4 section 9[2][f] while mentioning “the right to recover from the keeper so much of that parking charge as remains unpaid” where they did not include statement “(if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met)”.     5.3         The claimant did not mention parking period, times on the photographs are separate from the PCN and in any case are that arrival and departure times not the parking period since their times include driving to and from the parking space as a minimum and can include extra time to allow pedestrians and other vehicles to pass in front.    Protection of Freedoms Act 2012   The notice must -   (a) specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates;  22. In the persuasive judgement K4GF167G - Premier Park Ltd v Mr Mathur - Horsham County Court – 5 January 2024 it was on this very point that the judge dismissed this claim.  5.4  A the PCN does not comply with the Act the Defendant as keeper is not liable.  No Breach of Contract   6.1       No breach of contract occurred because the PCN and contract provided as part of the defendant’s CPR request shows different post code, PCN shows HA4 0EY while contract shows HA4 0FY. According to PCN defendant parked on HA4 0EY which does not appear to be subject to the postcode covered by the contract.  6.2         The entrance sign does not mention anything about there being other terms inside the car park so does not offer a contract which makes it only an offer to treat,  Interest  7.1  It is unreasonable for the Claimant to delay litigation for  Double Recovery   7.2  The claim is littered with made-up charges.  7.3  As noted above, the Claimant's signs state a £60 charge yet their PCN is for £100.  7.4  As well as the £100 parking charge, the Claimant seeks recovery of an additional £70.  This is simply a poor attempt to circumvent the legal costs cap at small claims.  7.5 Since 2019, many County Courts have considered claims in excess of £100 to be an abuse of process leading to them being struck out ab initio. An example, in the Caernarfon Court in VCS v Davies, case No. FTQZ4W28 on 4th September 2019, District Judge Jones-Evans stated “Upon it being recorded that District Judge Jones- Evans has over a very significant period of time warned advocates (...) in many cases of this nature before this court that their claim for £60 is unenforceable in law and is an abuse of process and is nothing more than a poor attempt to go behind the decision of the Supreme Court v Beavis which inter alia decided that a figure of £160 as a global sum claimed in this case would be a penalty and not a genuine pre-estimate of loss and therefore unenforceable in law and if the practice continued, he would treat all cases as a claim for £160 and therefore a penalty and unenforceable in law it is hereby declared (…) the claim is struck out and declared to be wholly without merit and an abuse of process.”  7.6 In Claim Nos. F0DP806M and F0DP201T, District Judge Taylor echoed earlier General Judgment or Orders of District Judge Grand, stating ''It is ordered that the claim is struck out as an abuse of process. The claim contains a substantial charge additional to the parking charge which it is alleged the Defendant contracted to pay. This additional charge is not recoverabl15e under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4 nor with reference to the judgment in Parking Eye v Beavis. It is an abuse of process from the Claimant to issue a knowingly inflated claim for an additional sum which it is not entitled to recover. This order has been made by the court of its own initiative without a hearing pursuant to CPR Rule 3.3(4)) of the Civil Procedure Rules 1998...''  7.7 In the persuasive case of G4QZ465V - Excel Parking Services Ltd v Wilkinson – Bradford County Court -2 July 2020 (Exhibit 4) the judge had decided that Excel had won. However, due to Excel adding on the £60 the Judge dismissed the case.  7.8        The addition of costs not previously specified on signage are also in breach of the Consumer Rights Act 2015, Schedule 2, specifically paras 6, 10 and 14.   7.9        It is the Defendant’s position that the Claimant in this case has knowingly submitted inflated costs and thus the entire claim should be similarly struck out in accordance with Civil Procedure Rule 3.3(4).   In Conclusion   8.1        I invite the court to dismiss the claim.  Statement of Truth  I believe that the facts stated in this witness statement are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.   
    • Well the difference is that in all our other cases It was Kev who was trying to entrap the motorist so sticking two fingers up to him and daring him to try court was from a position of strength. In your case, sorry, you made a mistake so you're not in the position of strength.  I've looked on Google Maps and the signs are few & far between as per Kev's MO, but there is an entrance sign saying "Pay & Display" (and you've admitted in writing that you knew you had to pay) and the signs by the payment machines do say "Sea View Car Park" (and you've admitted in writing you paid the wrong car park ... and maybe outed yourself as the driver). Something I missed in my previous post is that the LoC is only for one ticket, not two. Sorry, but it's impossible to definitively advise what to so. Personally I'd probably gamble on Kev being a serial bottler of court and reply with a snotty letter ridiculing the signage (given you mentioned the signage in your appeal) - but it is a gamble.  
    • No! What has happened is that your pix were up-to-date: 5 hours' maximum stay and £100 PCN. The lazy solicitors have sent ancient pictures: 4 hours' maximum stay and £60 PCN. Don't let on!  Let them be hoisted by their own lazy petard in the court hearing (if they don't bottle before).
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Application on an N244 with a WS stating why the claim should be struck out. Your argument could be that you require finality, and they have failed to comply with CPR properly, for example – but beware that if they have failed so far to produce the proper paperwork, they may simply take their time locating it and then request the stay be lifted. The advantage of going for strike out is that they put up or shut up.

 

But it really depends on the strength of your case.

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Hi All

 

Have a default notice can this be used in a defence.

 

Date served, 4th july 2008

Remedy by, 18 july 2008.

 

Notice of termination 19 july 2008.

 

Thanks for any help.

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Will need a lot more info, are they demanding the arrears or the full amount, what is it, how old is it, how was it obtained?

 

Default notices can be rectified, so if you tell them it is wrong, for whatever reason, then they will simply issue you with an enforceable DN.

Who ever heard of someone getting a job at the Jobcentre? The unemployed are sent there as penance for their sins, not to help them find work!

 

 

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hi

 

Its for a Loan taken out in late 2005.

The default Notice is for arrears. Dated the 4th july remedy by the 18th july, and then letter dated the 19th.

Headed, Notice Of Termination.

You have disregarded our previous notice of default and as a consequence we give you notice that we hereby

terminate the hiring and the agreement forthwith.

This has been around the block abit with other DCA.

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OK so when did you receive the DN? Dated and date received are two separate things.

 

It is highly unlikely that you will have received it on the same day it is printed so that goes in your favour for a start.

 

Don't inform of this, as all they will do is send you a correct DN, wait until they sell it to a DCA first before contacting them again. (IMO)

Who ever heard of someone getting a job at the Jobcentre? The unemployed are sent there as penance for their sins, not to help them find work!

 

 

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Looking through the paperwork this has been sold to Asset Link.

Not sure of the date received but would have been 1 or 2 days after the date on Notice.

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Then GE still own this, they are simply using the fools Asset, as their gopher.

Who ever heard of someone getting a job at the Jobcentre? The unemployed are sent there as penance for their sins, not to help them find work!

 

 

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So if a creditor sells a debt on before the time allowed to rectify it, on the DN how can they possibly issue another one when they don't own the debt? Or can't they?

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Usually, the OC will issue a DN, which will either have the incorrect dates, ie it doesn't allow you the correct time period in which to rectify the account, or they demand the full balance instead if just the arrears, or there will be some other fault with it.

 

So if you say and do nothing after they have issued you with a faulty DN, then they terminate the account, and then sell it on to a DCA, you will be able to claim that the account was unlawfully rescinded and you accept their unlawful repudiation and will pay them the arrears, only.

 

The trouble with faulty DN's is that they can be rectified, so as soon as you let the OC know of it's failings, they rectify it and reissue you another one. Once it has been terminated and sold on the back of a faulty DN, there is no going back.

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Once it has been terminated and sold on the back of a faulty DN, there is no going back.

 

Evening Boo,

I received a faulty DN from Barclaycard October 2009. I was then contacted by various DCA's demanding the full outstanding balance. I have not notified BC or the DCA's as I do not wish to alert them. BC have never actually terminated the agreement in writing, although DCA's demanding the full balance might be considered termination. Basically, I consider it to be just another piece of ammunition in case they take it to court. I assume the termination will kick in if they sell the debt on.

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Hi Boo

 

The debt was sold to Asset link in 2009 well after the default notice. it had been with a few DCA in the mean time.

I have had letter from Link to inform me that they bought the debt.

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Looking through the paperwork this has been sold to Asset Link.

Not sure of the date received but would have been 1 or 2 days after the date on Notice.

E.

 

Elrib, they seem to send out a lot of DN's by second class post, mine was dated 15 Feb and received on 19 Feb making it a 12 day DN. Worth rechecking your dates and storing as ammo in case of further action.

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Hi Rockwell

 

The DN sent only gives me about 10 days to fix and then I have a letter terminating the agrement, after that, debt was sold. Not going to let them know this but not sure how to use it against them if it gets that far.

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I too am of the same opinion, that if they demand the full amount, then that can be taken as the account is then terminated.

 

As you say, it is more ammo to throw at them if the need arises.

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is there a act or case study that one could use as an example of a faulty default, I am sure I read somthing on this site but not sure where to fine it.

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Subbing also. Been AWOL for mothns and now catching up on many things which either have changed or may have changed and different information on the net. I've read that accepting the repudiation thing seems to mess up things but I don't understand how or why?? has anybody more information on this as it could change some of my 'defence' if needed.

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AFAIK, UR is pretty much RIP, however!!!!!

 

If the OC issues a faulty DN (for whatever reason) and they then sell it to a DCA, (without being informed the DN is faulty) then the new owner can ONLY ever recover the arrears!

 

If the OC issues a DN which is faulty, and they are made aware of this, then all they need do it to issue you with a NEW DN which is enforceable so they can then enforce...

Who ever heard of someone getting a job at the Jobcentre? The unemployed are sent there as penance for their sins, not to help them find work!

 

 

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And when would be a good time to inform new owners of this fact? When threatened with court action? Or would they go back to OC and get them to issue new one?

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If the OC sold the debt on, is there a Act or case which could be produce in court to show that they can only claim the arrears, As I sure a judge would not just take my word.

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Who ever heard of someone getting a job at the Jobcentre? The unemployed are sent there as penance for their sins, not to help them find work!

 

 

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