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    • further polished WS using above suggestions and also included couple of more modifications highlighted in orange are those ok to include?   Background   1.1  The Defendant received the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) on the 06th of January 2020 following the vehicle being parked at Arla Old Dairy, South Ruislip on the 05th of December 2019.   Unfair PCN   2.1  On 19th December 2023 the Defendant sent the Claimant's solicitors a CPR request.  As shown in Exhibit 1 (pages 7-13) sent by the solicitors the signage displayed in their evidence clearly shows a £60.00 parking charge notice (which will be reduced to £30 if paid within 14 days of issue).  2.2  Yet the PCN sent by the Claimant is for a £100.00 parking charge notice (reduced to £60 if paid within 30 days of issue).   2.3        The Claimant relies on signage to create a contract.  It is unlawful for the Claimant to write that the charge is £60 on their signs and then send demands for £100.    2.4        The unlawful £100 charge is also the basis for the Claimant's Particulars of Claim.  No Locus Standi  3.1  I do not believe a contract with the landowner, that is provided following the defendant’s CPR request, gives MET Parking Services a right to bring claims in their own name. Definition of “Relevant contract” from the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4,  2 [1] means a contract Including a contract arising only when the vehicle was parked on the relevant land between the driver and a person who is-   (a) the owner or occupier of the land; or   (b) Authorised, under or by virtue of arrangements made by the owner or occupier of the land, to enter into a contract with the driver requiring the payment of parking charges in respect of the parking of the vehicle on the land. According to https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/46/section/44   For a contract to be valid, it requires a director from each company to sign and then two independent witnesses must confirm those signatures.   3.2  The Defendant requested to see such a contract in the CPR request.  The fact that no contract has been produced with the witness signatures present means the contract has not been validly executed. Therefore, there can be no contract established between MET Parking Services and the motorist. Even if “Parking in Electric Bay” could form a contract (which it cannot), it is immaterial. There is no valid contract.  Illegal Conduct – No Contract Formed   4.1 At the time of writing, the Claimant has failed to provide the following, in response to the CPR request from myself.   4.2        The legal contract between the Claimant and the landowner (which in this case is Standard Life Investments UK) to provide evidence that there is an agreement in place with landowner with the necessary authority to issue parking charge notices and to pursue payment by means of litigation.   4.3 Proof of planning permission granted for signage etc under the Town and country Planning Act 1990. Lack of planning permission is a criminal offence under this Act and no contract can be formed where criminality is involved.   4.4        I also do not believe the claimant possesses these documents.   No Keeper Liability   5.1        The defendant was not the driver at the time and date mentioned in the PCN and the claimant has not established keeper liability under schedule 4 of the PoFA 2012. In this matter, the defendant puts it to the claimant to produce strict proof as to who was driving at the time.   5.2 The claimant in their Notice To Keeper also failed to comply with PoFA 2012 Schedule 4 section 9[2][f] while mentioning “the right to recover from the keeper so much of that parking charge as remains unpaid” where they did not include statement “(if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met)”.     5.3         The claimant did not mention parking period, times on the photographs are separate from the PCN and in any case are that arrival and departure times not the parking period since their times include driving to and from the parking space as a minimum and can include extra time to allow pedestrians and other vehicles to pass in front.    Protection of Freedoms Act 2012   The notice must -   (a) specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates;  22. In the persuasive judgement K4GF167G - Premier Park Ltd v Mr Mathur - Horsham County Court – 5 January 2024 it was on this very point that the judge dismissed this claim.  5.4  A the PCN does not comply with the Act the Defendant as keeper is not liable.  No Breach of Contract   6.1       No breach of contract occurred because the PCN and contract provided as part of the defendant’s CPR request shows different post code, PCN shows HA4 0EY while contract shows HA4 0FY. According to PCN defendant parked on HA4 0EY which does not appear to be subject to the postcode covered by the contract.  6.2         The entrance sign does not mention anything about there being other terms inside the car park so does not offer a contract which makes it only an offer to treat,  Interest  7.1  It is unreasonable for the Claimant to delay litigation for  Double Recovery   7.2  The claim is littered with made-up charges.  7.3  As noted above, the Claimant's signs state a £60 charge yet their PCN is for £100.  7.4  As well as the £100 parking charge, the Claimant seeks recovery of an additional £70.  This is simply a poor attempt to circumvent the legal costs cap at small claims.  7.5 Since 2019, many County Courts have considered claims in excess of £100 to be an abuse of process leading to them being struck out ab initio. An example, in the Caernarfon Court in VCS v Davies, case No. FTQZ4W28 on 4th September 2019, District Judge Jones-Evans stated “Upon it being recorded that District Judge Jones- Evans has over a very significant period of time warned advocates (...) in many cases of this nature before this court that their claim for £60 is unenforceable in law and is an abuse of process and is nothing more than a poor attempt to go behind the decision of the Supreme Court v Beavis which inter alia decided that a figure of £160 as a global sum claimed in this case would be a penalty and not a genuine pre-estimate of loss and therefore unenforceable in law and if the practice continued, he would treat all cases as a claim for £160 and therefore a penalty and unenforceable in law it is hereby declared (…) the claim is struck out and declared to be wholly without merit and an abuse of process.”  7.6 In Claim Nos. F0DP806M and F0DP201T, District Judge Taylor echoed earlier General Judgment or Orders of District Judge Grand, stating ''It is ordered that the claim is struck out as an abuse of process. The claim contains a substantial charge additional to the parking charge which it is alleged the Defendant contracted to pay. This additional charge is not recoverabl15e under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4 nor with reference to the judgment in Parking Eye v Beavis. It is an abuse of process from the Claimant to issue a knowingly inflated claim for an additional sum which it is not entitled to recover. This order has been made by the court of its own initiative without a hearing pursuant to CPR Rule 3.3(4)) of the Civil Procedure Rules 1998...''  7.7 In the persuasive case of G4QZ465V - Excel Parking Services Ltd v Wilkinson – Bradford County Court -2 July 2020 (Exhibit 4) the judge had decided that Excel had won. However, due to Excel adding on the £60 the Judge dismissed the case.  7.8        The addition of costs not previously specified on signage are also in breach of the Consumer Rights Act 2015, Schedule 2, specifically paras 6, 10 and 14.   7.9        It is the Defendant’s position that the Claimant in this case has knowingly submitted inflated costs and thus the entire claim should be similarly struck out in accordance with Civil Procedure Rule 3.3(4).   In Conclusion   8.1        I invite the court to dismiss the claim.  Statement of Truth  I believe that the facts stated in this witness statement are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.   
    • Well the difference is that in all our other cases It was Kev who was trying to entrap the motorist so sticking two fingers up to him and daring him to try court was from a position of strength. In your case, sorry, you made a mistake so you're not in the position of strength.  I've looked on Google Maps and the signs are few & far between as per Kev's MO, but there is an entrance sign saying "Pay & Display" (and you've admitted in writing that you knew you had to pay) and the signs by the payment machines do say "Sea View Car Park" (and you've admitted in writing you paid the wrong car park ... and maybe outed yourself as the driver). Something I missed in my previous post is that the LoC is only for one ticket, not two. Sorry, but it's impossible to definitively advise what to so. Personally I'd probably gamble on Kev being a serial bottler of court and reply with a snotty letter ridiculing the signage (given you mentioned the signage in your appeal) - but it is a gamble.  
    • No! What has happened is that your pix were up-to-date: 5 hours' maximum stay and £100 PCN. The lazy solicitors have sent ancient pictures: 4 hours' maximum stay and £60 PCN. Don't let on!  Let them be hoisted by their own lazy petard in the court hearing (if they don't bottle before).
    • Thanks for all the suggestions so far I will amend original WS and send again for review.  While looking at my post at very beginning when I submitted photos of signs around the car park I noticed that it says 5 hours maximum stay while the signage sent by solicitor shows 4 hours maximum stay but mine is related to electric bay abuse not sure if this can be of any use in WS.
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Barclays 1 :rolleyes:

05/01/06.

Court date set 13th April

Barclays 2 :rolleyes:

Court date set 13th April

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Any update on this one ?

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bgqs v Barclays (Claim No.1) - Claim Issued 16/3/07 Await Defence to be Entered - Data Protection Act Non-Compliance - *WON

 

bgqs v Barclays (Claim No.2) - Prelim Letter Sent (Charges + s.68 Interest) - 16/3/07 - *WON

 

bgqs v Halifax - Prelim Letter Sent (Charges +C.I Interest) - 16/3/07 - *WON

 

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Any update on this one ?

Hi, yes thanks for asking. Barclays have failed to submit thier court bundle, I wrote to them on Wednesday, by special delivery expressing my dismay and disapointment, I included an updated schedule of charges and reiterated that in order to avoid court they would need to settle in full by Tuesday.

Low & behold there was a message on my ansa phone on Thursday, I rang them back at 17.35, and I think I just caught my guy before he headed off for his bank hols. he said that he had sent me letters saying they were settling in full and I just needed to sign and fax back.

I got the letters today, for all 4 claims but sadly it is £930.88 short of what I am claiming. That is way too much for me to allow. Therefore on Tuesday morning I will be phoning him to say no thanks I would like all my money please.

I will have to ask them to email me the amended offer, without a confidentiality clause, for the full amount and then I will sign. I am a nurse and I work long days on a very busy unit, Tuesday is my only day off,Wed &Thurs I am at work 07.30 - 20.30 so I cannot wait for the post, can anyone tell me if it is okay for me to scan my signed papers and email back, as if I am to write to the courts I have to have this sealed by close of Tuesday, I guess a scanned document is as good as a faxed one, they are paying me by cheque and I am not prepared to cancel the court until I have the cheque in my hand. Which means I will need it by Wednesday, the very latest Thursday.

Incidentally, Barclays have all so asked for a copy of the letter cancelling the court with my signed acceptance, I am not happy to do that untill I have my cheque.

Nearly there, thanks for everyones support.

M

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any advise on the confidentiality bit, or sticking to my guns and not cancelling the court before I have my cheque?

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Hi, my case goes to court the Friday, Barclays have failed to submit thier court bundle, I wrote to them on Wednesday, by special delivery expressing my dismay and disapointment, I included an updated schedule of charges and reiterated that in order to avoid court they would need to settle in full by Tuesday.

Low & behold there was a message on my ansa phone on Thursday, I rang them back at 17.35, and I think I just caught my guy before he headed off for his bank hols. he said that he had sent me letters saying they were settling in full and I just needed to sign and fax back.

I got the letters today, for all 4 claims but sadly it is £930.88 short of what I am claiming. That is way too much for me to allow. Therefore on Tuesday morning I will be phoning him to say no thanks I would like all my money please.

I will have to ask them to email me the amended offer, without a confidentiality clause, for the full amount and then I will sign. I am a nurse and I work long days on a very busy unit, Tuesday is my only day off,Wed &Thurs I am at work 07.30 - 20.30 so I cannot wait for the post, can anyone tell me if it is okay for me to scan my signed papers and email back, as if I am to write to the courts I have to have this sealed by close of Tuesday, I guess a scanned document is as good as a faxed one, they are paying me by cheque and I am not prepared to cancel the court until I have the cheque in my hand. Which means I will need it by Wednesday, the very latest Thursday.

Incidentally, Barclays have all so asked for a copy of the letter cancelling the court with my signed acceptance, I am not happy to do that untill I have my cheque.

Nearly there, thanks for everyones support.

M

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Barclays 1 :rolleyes:

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Barclays 2 :rolleyes:

Court date set 13th April

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Court date set 13th April

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Court date set 13th April

All my cases are being heard at the same time for 2.5 hours

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If the money is not cleared in your account by Friday, you should go to court.

 

Tell the judge they have at the 11th hour indicated that they wish to settle, but the funds have not materialised yet.

 

He'll probably adjourn for a fortnight to dot the i's and cross the t's, or you might even get a judgement there and then if the judge is particularly frustrated at Barclays antics, which lets face it, why would'nt he be?!;)

 

On that note, you should also request costs - you have a right to request up to £50 in respect of loss of earnings and up to £50 for travel expenses. Also, you should try requesting your entire preparation costs on the basis of the defendants unreasonable conduct. Details halfway down this post -

http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/guidance-notes/64911-got-court-date-guide.html#post553523

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Thanks, If I have my cheque in my hand before Friday, and banked, therefore waiting to clear, I assume it is unlikely that the cheque would bounce,or should I still go to court just to make sure the order is made incase it bounces? Ofcourse, if I don't have a cheque to bank then I am certainly going to see the Judge.

Afterall if the bank and I use email on Tuesday, I would expect my cheque to be special delivery by 1pm on Wednesday.

Do banks still have the facility to special cheques?

Captital One :) :Settled in full at LBA £676.00

Barclays 1 :rolleyes:

05/01/06.

Court date set 13th April

Barclays 2 :rolleyes:

Court date set 13th April

Barclay Card::p

Court date set 13th April

Monument: :p

Court date set 13th April

All my cases are being heard at the same time for 2.5 hours

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I assume it is unlikely that the cheque would bounce

We'll you'd think so, would'nt you, but believe me stranger things have happened. There have been a few horror stories where hearings have been cancelled and then the bank have renaged on an agreement to settle, and in fact there was a Barclays thread where this happened just last week - I'll try to find it for you.

 

If it were me, I would most definately still go to court unless it was 100% cleared.

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wow, thanks very much, I wouldn't have thought that. I will ask my husband to ask the bank to do a special clearance on it, otherwise I will definetly be going to court on Friday, I will explain to the judge that Barclays have failed to deliver in other cases, so I need the reasurance of a judgement.

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Barclays 1 :rolleyes:

05/01/06.

Court date set 13th April

Barclays 2 :rolleyes:

Court date set 13th April

Barclay Card::p

Court date set 13th April

Monument: :p

Court date set 13th April

All my cases are being heard at the same time for 2.5 hours

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Captital One :) :Settled in full at LBA £676.00

Barclays 1 :rolleyes:

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Court date set 13th April

Barclays 2 :rolleyes:

Court date set 13th April

Barclay Card::p

Court date set 13th April

Monument: :p

Court date set 13th April

All my cases are being heard at the same time for 2.5 hours

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Sorry, but as my court date is so close, I was hoping for some support and my current thread title does not attract readers, I bumped it up a few times,but still no one responded, the title 'court Friday 13th' did attract some answers, I don't know how to change my thread title, is this possible?

Captital One :) :Settled in full at LBA £676.00

Barclays 1 :rolleyes:

05/01/06.

Court date set 13th April

Barclays 2 :rolleyes:

Court date set 13th April

Barclay Card::p

Court date set 13th April

Monument: :p

Court date set 13th April

All my cases are being heard at the same time for 2.5 hours

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If you feel you need additional support and nobody is responding to your thread then pm some people or post a link to your thread on other threads asking for some support. To post your link go to Quick Links icon at top of page then scroll down to and left click Subscribed Threads then scroll to your thread title and right click it, scroll down to copy shortcut and left click this. Then when in the thread or pm you want to post it simply right click then left click paste.

 

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I phoned Thomas this morning and said that I cannot accept the offer they have made, we quickly agreed a figure that is close to what I am claiming, as my claims are 4 separate ones, 2 with Barclays, 1 barclaycard and 1 monument, he said that he can special delivery the 2 big ones for barclays, so that should be with me by tomorrow lunch, i am going to get overnight clearance on the cheques and hand deliver to the court cancelling the hearing for friday,on clearance, however, the smaller 2 have to come directly from barclaycard and monument, Thomas said he has no control over these, other than requesting they pay me, so I said that is fine, but I will still attend the court on Friday, I will show the judge our agreement letter but state that I haven't got the payment yet and ask he make the order in my order.

So I very nearly there!!!!

Captital One :) :Settled in full at LBA £676.00

Barclays 1 :rolleyes:

05/01/06.

Court date set 13th April

Barclays 2 :rolleyes:

Court date set 13th April

Barclay Card::p

Court date set 13th April

Monument: :p

Court date set 13th April

All my cases are being heard at the same time for 2.5 hours

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Excellent news. Yes, do attend court, and make sure that the judge is aware of the agreement made. This way, if they decide to play silly buggers, you have the courts decision on your side.

 

The fact that they are willing to do a special delivery to you tells you all you need to know on how much they do not want to go to court, doesn't it... :cool:

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Hi, got 2 of my 4 claims paid today, so when the cheque clears, (got it specialed) I will ask the mods to move to successful claim and make a donation to this great site.

Still waiting for barclaycard and monument to pay me as promised, we'll see. If payment arrives tomorrow, all well and good, but my post doesn't come until 12.30 and my court case is at 14.00 on Friday, that is my day off and I intend to go shopping in the morning. I am not sitting in just in case the cheque is in the post. It is not my fault good old barclays left it this late to pay out, especially when they know what they are doing is unlawful!

I'll keep you all posted.

Captital One :) :Settled in full at LBA £676.00

Barclays 1 :rolleyes:

05/01/06.

Court date set 13th April

Barclays 2 :rolleyes:

Court date set 13th April

Barclay Card::p

Court date set 13th April

Monument: :p

Court date set 13th April

All my cases are being heard at the same time for 2.5 hours

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:) :) Hi, all just to let you know, I had offers for all 4 of my claims 2 days before court, I still went as I had asked for cheques, the Judge ordered that the case be left open and that I could return at any time, should the payment not be recieved.

Got all the monies, in full, refused to sign the confidentiality bit, and the donation to this site is on it's way. Thanks to everyone who contributed to this.

Good luck to every one fighting the banks. I am going to take on the Royal Bank of Scotland and the Funding Corp now.

Maria

Captital One :) :Settled in full at LBA £676.00

Barclays 1 :rolleyes:

05/01/06.

Court date set 13th April

Barclays 2 :rolleyes:

Court date set 13th April

Barclay Card::p

Court date set 13th April

Monument: :p

Court date set 13th April

All my cases are being heard at the same time for 2.5 hours

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thank you, it has been a long journey, but very worth while and satisfying. Couldn't have done it without this forum.

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Barclays 1 :rolleyes:

05/01/06.

Court date set 13th April

Barclays 2 :rolleyes:

Court date set 13th April

Barclay Card::p

Court date set 13th April

Monument: :p

Court date set 13th April

All my cases are being heard at the same time for 2.5 hours

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Well done Maria!!:D

 

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