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    • just to be clear here..... the DVLA do not send letters if a drivers licence address differs from any car's V5C that shows the same driver as it's registered keeper.
    • sorry she is a private individual, the cars are parking on her land. she can clamp the cars. only firms were outlawed from doing it bazza. thats what the victims of people dumping cars on their drives near airports did and they didn't not get prosecuted.    
    • The DVLA keeps two records of you. One as a driver and one for your car. If they differ you might find out in around a month when they will send you a reminder as well as to your other half for their car. If you receive nothing then you can be fairly sure that you were tailgating though wouldn't explain why they didn't pick up your car on one of drive past their cameras. However even if you do get a PCN later then your situation will not change. The current PCN does not comply with the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 Schedule 4 which is the main law that covers private parking. It doesn't comply for two reasons. 1. Section 9 [2][a] states  (2)The notice must— (a)specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates; The PCN states 47 minutes which are the arrival and departure times not the time you were actually parked. if you subtract the time you took to drive from the entrance. look for a parking place  park in it perhaps having to manoeuvre a couple of times to fit within the lines and unload the children reloading the children getting seat belts on  driving to the exit stopping for cars pedestrians on the way you may well find that the actual time you were parked was quite likely to be around ten minutes over the required time.  Motorists are allowed a MINIMUM of ten minutes Grace period [something that the rogues in the parking industry conveniently forget-the word minimum] . So it could be that you did not overstay. 2] Sectio9 [2][f]  (ii)the creditor does not know both the name of the driver and a current address for service for the driver, the creditor will (if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met) have the right to recover from the keeper so much of that amount as remains unpaid; Your PCN does not include the words in brackets and in 2a the Act included the word "must". Another fail. What those failures mean is that MET cannot transfer the liability to pay the charge from the driver to the keeper. Only the driver is now liable which is why we recommend our members not to appeal. It is so easy to reveal who was driving by saying "when I parked the car" than "when the driver parked the car".  As long as they don't know who was driving they have little chance of winning in court. This is partly because Courts do not accept that the driver and the keeper are the same person. And because anyone with a valid motor insurance policy is able to drive your cars. It is a shame that you are too far away to get photos of the car park signage. It is often poor and quite often the parking rogues lose in Court on their poor signage alone. I hope hat you can now relax and not panic about the PCN. You will receive many letters from Met, their unregulated debt collectors and sixth rate solicitors threatening you with ever higher amounts of money. The poor dears have never read the Act which states quite clearly that the maximum sum that can be charged is the amount on the signs. The Act has only been in force for 12 years so it may take a  few more years for the penny to drop.  You can safely ignore everything they send you unless or until they send you a Letter of Claim. Just come back to us if they do send one of those love letters to you and we will advise on a snotty letter to send them. In the meantime go on and enjoy your life. Continue reading other threads and if you do get any worrying letters let us know. 
    • Hopefully the ANPR cameras didn't pick up the two vehicles, but I don't think you're out of the woods just yet. MET's "work" consists of sending out hundreds of these invoices every week so yours might be a few days behind your partner's. There is also the matter of Royal Mail.  I once sold two second-hand books to someone on eBay.  Weirdly the cost of sending them separately was less than the cost of sending them in one parcel.  So to save a few bob I sent them seperately.  One turned up the next day.  One arrived after four days.  They were  sent from the same post office at the same time! But let's hope I'm being too pessimistic. Please update us of any developments.
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    • Hello,

      On 15/1/24 booked appointment with Big Motoring World (BMW) to view a mini on 17/1/24 at 8pm at their Enfield dealership.  

      Car was dirty and test drive was two circuits of roundabout on entry to the showroom.  Was p/x my car and rushed by sales exec and a manager into buying the mini and a 3yr warranty that night, sale all wrapped up by 10pm.  They strongly advised me taking warranty out on car that age (2017) and confirmed it was honoured at over 500 UK registered garages.

      The next day, 18/1/24 noticed amber engine warning light on dashboard , immediately phoned BMW aftercare team to ask for it to be investigated asap at nearest garage to me. After 15 mins on hold was told only their 5 service centres across the UK can deal with car issues with earliest date for inspection in March ! Said I’m not happy with that given what sales team advised or driving car. Told an amber warning light only advisory so to drive with caution and call back when light goes red.

      I’m not happy to do this, drive the car or with the after care experience (a sign of further stresses to come) so want a refund and to return the car asap.

      Please can you advise what I need to do today to get this done. 
       

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    • Housing Association property flooding. https://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/topic/438641-housing-association-property-flooding/&do=findComment&comment=5124299
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    • We have finally managed to obtain the transcript of this case.

      The judge's reasoning is very useful and will certainly be helpful in any other cases relating to third-party rights where the customer has contracted with the courier company by using a broker.
      This is generally speaking the problem with using PackLink who are domiciled in Spain and very conveniently out of reach of the British justice system.

      Frankly I don't think that is any accident.

      One of the points that the judge made was that the customers contract with the broker specifically refers to the courier – and it is clear that the courier knows that they are acting for a third party. There is no need to name the third party. They just have to be recognisably part of a class of person – such as a sender or a recipient of the parcel.

      Please note that a recent case against UPS failed on exactly the same issue with the judge held that the Contracts (Rights of Third Parties) Act 1999 did not apply.

      We will be getting that transcript very soon. We will look at it and we will understand how the judge made such catastrophic mistakes. It was a very poor judgement.
      We will be recommending that people do include this adverse judgement in their bundle so that when they go to county court the judge will see both sides and see the arguments against this adverse judgement.
      Also, we will be to demonstrate to the judge that we are fair-minded and that we don't mind bringing everything to the attention of the judge even if it is against our own interests.
      This is good ethical practice.

      It would be very nice if the parcel delivery companies – including EVRi – practised this kind of thing as well.

       

      OT APPROVED, 365MC637, FAROOQ, EVRi, 12.07.23 (BRENT) - J v4.pdf
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Have a read through this, and start by writing down all the points where LBL have not done as they're required to do as a starting point.

 

http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/show-post/post-1102655.html

 

Read this too, again making notes of where LBL have gone wrong, and any legislation quoted so that you can quote it yourself.

 

http://www.oft.gov.uk/shared_oft/business_leaflets/consumer_credit/oft664.pdf

 

Look up any legislation here, print it off (you'll need three copies when you put your court bundle together so might as well start getting prepared now and save yourself the stress later;)). Most importantly - READ IT.

 

Office of Public Sector Information

 

You can then use the information you have learned to start putting together a draft for your application. Post it here on your thread so people can help you tidy it up, and add their suggestions too.

 

Just do it step by step and you'll get there.;)

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Many thanks I will get on with it now thanks again

 

No problem. Should keep you busy for a while, but there really is no substitute for hard work to make sure you have a good case in court and can stand your ground.;)

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Encyclopaedia of the laws of England, being a new abridgment

 

Hi I have found something today that makes me very uneasy and its a ref LBL have thrown at me. It goes against everything that I believed the Act to be. I no so many people on here are using it as their main arguement to void the BOS. I have had dealing with a certain firm of solicitors name not mentioned lol but one of my conversations was about this issue, they support what this ref states. The BOS must be attested.....

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Hi guys I have found something that I think is quite exciting I have found the way to maybe put these people or at least the one that make the decisions in LBL .archive.org/stream/encyclopaediaofl02polluoft#page/135/mode/2up Pay attention to Affidavits may be sworn.... Enjoy because I would say if they have been sworn in the correct way that it possibly be their acting solicitor that Sworn to Oath lets hope so.

 

Also if the BOS must

 

 

 

The mode of registration read carefully

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Encyclopaedia of the laws of England, being a new abridgment

 

Hi I have found something today that makes me very uneasy and its a ref LBL have thrown at me. It goes against everything that I believed the Act to be. I no so many people on here are using it as their main arguement to void the BOS. I have had dealing with a certain firm of solicitors name not mentioned lol but one of my conversations was about this issue, they support what this ref states. The BOS must be attested.....

 

 

Hmmm, read page 130 to 131, makes very intreasting reading, i wonder if the site team needs to take a look.

 

Don't worry, yours from the paperwork is void. Someone else has signed it, its not got the witness name and address either. what have they thrown at you?

 

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Hi guys got sussed Me and my McKenzie Friend have looked at the BOS legislation. It is so simple if you take a step back and look at it in the simplest of ways. It as follows

 

Borrower Signature...... the said A.B

 

SIGNED IN THE PRESENCE OF; E.F (the lender being C.D)

 

Credible witness must not be a party to the bill although they can be an employee of the lenders; as long as they are not a party to, or would financially benefit from, the commission earned from the loan.

In other words - the agent that signs the credit agreement cannot therefore be a witness on the BOS because they are a party to the bill.

 

Also there must be a description (residence and occupation) of the borrower and the witness on both the BOS and the affidavit. If no occupation is described, and it can be proved that the occupation was known, that will in itself void the registration of the BOS.

 

So guys there are lots more very good goodies that are as powerfull, Perjury is the best one so far. If the solicitor to the lender has sworn the affidavit he could be facing an all inclusive holiday at Her Majestys Pleasure destination PENTONVILLE. Hows that for a good Sunday morning work then guys.

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Can it be proved that the occupation was known?

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Can it be proved that the occupation was known?
"But if the party impeaching the registration can prove that the grantor or witness thus described had, in fact an occupation, the registration will be invalid."

I dont have to prove anything just the fact that, it is another requirement> that states that there must be the following information for both borrower and witness

 

 

BILL being the borrower

 

Borrower Signature

Borrower Address

Borrower description (occupation)

 

The same information should be on the signature part of the form for the witness

 

BEN being the witness

 

witness signature

witness address

witness description ( occupation)

 

There has to be two peoples names (signatures) on the BOS. as shown above (Bill & Ben)

 

LITTLE WEED is the underwriter for the lender

 

LITTLE WEED - is the underwriter that signs the Credit agreement, therefor LITTLE WEED cant sign the BOS as the witness because LITTLE WEED then is party there to the bill; as LITTLE WEED is benefiting financially on the commission earned from the agreement.

 

BEN can be a witness to the BOS and yet be an employee or agent for the lender

 

How they have got around this to confuse people away from this point is there are only two signatures BILL (borrower) BEN (lender) on the CA. And BEN (borrower) and LITTLE WEED (witness) the BOS There has to be three people present (BILL, BEN AND LITTLE WEED) to sign all relevant documents not just the two (BILL and BEN )as they have done. This means there has been no credible witness. LITTLE WEED

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"But if the party impeaching the registration can prove that the grantor or witness thus described had, in fact an occupation, the registration will be invalid."

I dont have to prove anything just the fact that, it is another requirement> that states that there must be the following information for both borrower and witness

 

 

BILL being the borrower

 

Borrower Signature

Borrower Address

Borrower description (occupation)

 

The same information should be on the signature part of the form for the witness

 

BEN being the witness

 

witness signature

witness address

witness description ( occupation)

 

There has to be two peoples names (signatures) on the BOS. as shown above (Bill & Ben)

 

LITTLE WEED is the underwriter for the lender

 

LITTLE WEED - is the underwriter that signs the Credit agreement, therefor LITTLE WEED cant sign the BOS as the witness because LITTLE WEED then is party there to the bill; as LITTLE WEED is benefiting financially on the commission earned from the agreement.

 

BEN can be a witness to the BOS and yet be an employee or agent for the lender

 

How they have got around this to confuse people away from this point is there are only two signatures BILL (borrower) BEN (lender) on the CA. And BEN (borrower) and LITTLE WEED (witness) the BOS There has to be three people present (BILL, BEN AND LITTLE WEED) to sign all relevant documents not just the two (BILL and BEN )as they have done. This means there has been no credible witness. LITTLE WEED

 

 

Its looking good, Void, see this what happens when they think they have you...

Which means it's a gift? correct? Site Team?

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I am just about to start my application to the High Courts, The attestation of the execution of the BOS is just one of the grounds that I can void this bill of sale. At a glance I can see four points that will void the BOS without question. One of them will bring a very nice compensation package. lol

 

Then I have to start on the C.A.

I no it will be severely batter and bruised, from the fall out effect of the evaporation of the BOS, I don't want to just rely on the Void BOS tarnishing it I want it removed so that it is never going to be arguable nor enforceable by LBL.

Then there is the question of The Debt Collection guidance the number of serious breaches to that are shamefully long

 

I would like to ask if any one would no is it with the High court application I submit my counter claim for damages

 

If anyone needs any help with this PM me and I will try and help beast I can.

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I am just about to start my application to the High Courts, The attestation of the execution of the BOS is just one of the grounds that I can void this bill of sale. At a glance I can see four points that will void the BOS without question. One of them will bring a very nice compensation package. lol

 

Then I have to start on the C.A.

I no it will be severely batter and bruised, from the fall out effect of the evaporation of the BOS, I don't want to just rely on the Void BOS tarnishing it I want it removed so that it is never going to be arguable nor enforceable by LBL.

Then there is the question of The Debt Collection guidance the number of serious breaches to that are shamefully long

 

I would like to ask if any one would no is it with the High court application I submit my counter claim for damages

 

If anyone needs any help with this PM me and I will try and help beast I can.

 

Hi Buddy. I suspect it would be County level, the courts decide I think, is the value of the car and payments higher than 5k? Perhaps one of the site team could advise. Anyway Its looking better and better....

Show no mercy, they didn't.

Oh my dog is fine, that will teach them to start acting like hard men, he screamed like a little girl...

 

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Hi guys I have found something that I think is quite exciting I have found the way to maybe put these people or at least the one that make the decisions in LBL .archive.org/stream/encyclopaediaofl02polluoft#page/135/mode/2up Pay attention to Affidavits may be sworn.... Enjoy because I would say if they have been sworn in the correct way that it possibly be their acting solicitor that Sworn to Oath lets hope so.

 

Also if the BOS must

 

 

 

The mode of registration read carefully

.archive.org/stream/encyclopaediaofl02polluoft#page/133/mode/2up

 

 

err the links go no where...

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Hi guys need help the whole case has changed the car has been sold. Now I can come forward with really what happened. This so called mate stole my logbook and had it put in his name. The car had been sat outside my house for almost a year. So no reason to keep eye on paperwork. I had been trying to put it back on road from July last year onwards.He put loan on car in September without my Knowledge. I cant understand how he did it because the car didnt even start. Engine had blown up in December 07.having only been back on road 4 5 weeks after accident repair. The first I knew of loan was in January this year when ballifs turned up. I went crazy at him. We said if I go to police i would regret it ans said he will sort it thats when he told them that he had borrowed the cash that i had just paid new engine and labour and said he couldnt pay me back so he gave me car as payment.He called them telling them bouty giving car to me as payment But didnt make any effort to pay for car. So in July they took it. Then I got a solicitor to fight them and I went along with it because I was scared of what he would do to me and my business. He didnt make any effort to get car back and solicitor wouldnt deal with me because I had a claim on him, so he didnt do anything further on the case nore did he make payments. I then started to fight this myself but I couldnt even get him to sign paperwork for court case to get it back. I found out yesturday it has been sold. I now have gone to police and told them. They have spoken to him and he has said I gave him permission I no he will get away with it. And police spoke to LBL. I no the police will ignore it and put it to civial. He has done simular to this before. That is why I would never had done this and allowed him to put finance on it cause I no he would never have paid it. I now under big threat again he says he is going to set me up and put me away. Im so scared but I need to get car back I have lost the car plus nearly three grand I have spent on it in the last year. The police will say it civil cause how do I prove I didnt give him the logbook his word agaisnt mine

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I reported it yesturday because I was being threatened. The car was sold before LBL where told of the thieft they where told it was mu car in Jan because of cash I spent on car. They now no it was a stolen LB but I not talked to them yet, this has made me ill and doc wanted me in hosp last night cause head ach so bad and they couldnt treat me cause I was on own. I couldnt go cause I dont have a car to get back my head is busting still but I got to try get on with this. I have covered him because he threaten me badly if I went to the police. That why he came up with the money story. It is true I did spend all that cash on car. He said he would get it back but he has not done a thing

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yes I told them it was not his car because of the cash I had spent on it I didnt tell them it never was his in first place cause he was going to hurt me

But the fact I had put engine in car gives me an equatable ownership of the car under BOS rules

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