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    • further polished WS using above suggestions and also included couple of more modifications highlighted in orange are those ok to include?   Background   1.1  The Defendant received the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) on the 06th of January 2020 following the vehicle being parked at Arla Old Dairy, South Ruislip on the 05th of December 2019.   Unfair PCN   2.1  On 19th December 2023 the Defendant sent the Claimant's solicitors a CPR request.  As shown in Exhibit 1 (pages 7-13) sent by the solicitors the signage displayed in their evidence clearly shows a £60.00 parking charge notice (which will be reduced to £30 if paid within 14 days of issue).  2.2  Yet the PCN sent by the Claimant is for a £100.00 parking charge notice (reduced to £60 if paid within 30 days of issue).   2.3        The Claimant relies on signage to create a contract.  It is unlawful for the Claimant to write that the charge is £60 on their signs and then send demands for £100.    2.4        The unlawful £100 charge is also the basis for the Claimant's Particulars of Claim.  No Locus Standi  3.1  I do not believe a contract with the landowner, that is provided following the defendant’s CPR request, gives MET Parking Services a right to bring claims in their own name. Definition of “Relevant contract” from the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4,  2 [1] means a contract Including a contract arising only when the vehicle was parked on the relevant land between the driver and a person who is-   (a) the owner or occupier of the land; or   (b) Authorised, under or by virtue of arrangements made by the owner or occupier of the land, to enter into a contract with the driver requiring the payment of parking charges in respect of the parking of the vehicle on the land. According to https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/46/section/44   For a contract to be valid, it requires a director from each company to sign and then two independent witnesses must confirm those signatures.   3.2  The Defendant requested to see such a contract in the CPR request.  The fact that no contract has been produced with the witness signatures present means the contract has not been validly executed. Therefore, there can be no contract established between MET Parking Services and the motorist. Even if “Parking in Electric Bay” could form a contract (which it cannot), it is immaterial. There is no valid contract.  Illegal Conduct – No Contract Formed   4.1 At the time of writing, the Claimant has failed to provide the following, in response to the CPR request from myself.   4.2        The legal contract between the Claimant and the landowner (which in this case is Standard Life Investments UK) to provide evidence that there is an agreement in place with landowner with the necessary authority to issue parking charge notices and to pursue payment by means of litigation.   4.3 Proof of planning permission granted for signage etc under the Town and country Planning Act 1990. Lack of planning permission is a criminal offence under this Act and no contract can be formed where criminality is involved.   4.4        I also do not believe the claimant possesses these documents.   No Keeper Liability   5.1        The defendant was not the driver at the time and date mentioned in the PCN and the claimant has not established keeper liability under schedule 4 of the PoFA 2012. In this matter, the defendant puts it to the claimant to produce strict proof as to who was driving at the time.   5.2 The claimant in their Notice To Keeper also failed to comply with PoFA 2012 Schedule 4 section 9[2][f] while mentioning “the right to recover from the keeper so much of that parking charge as remains unpaid” where they did not include statement “(if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met)”.     5.3         The claimant did not mention parking period, times on the photographs are separate from the PCN and in any case are that arrival and departure times not the parking period since their times include driving to and from the parking space as a minimum and can include extra time to allow pedestrians and other vehicles to pass in front.    Protection of Freedoms Act 2012   The notice must -   (a) specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates;  22. In the persuasive judgement K4GF167G - Premier Park Ltd v Mr Mathur - Horsham County Court – 5 January 2024 it was on this very point that the judge dismissed this claim.  5.4  A the PCN does not comply with the Act the Defendant as keeper is not liable.  No Breach of Contract   6.1       No breach of contract occurred because the PCN and contract provided as part of the defendant’s CPR request shows different post code, PCN shows HA4 0EY while contract shows HA4 0FY. According to PCN defendant parked on HA4 0EY which does not appear to be subject to the postcode covered by the contract.  6.2         The entrance sign does not mention anything about there being other terms inside the car park so does not offer a contract which makes it only an offer to treat,  Interest  7.1  It is unreasonable for the Claimant to delay litigation for  Double Recovery   7.2  The claim is littered with made-up charges.  7.3  As noted above, the Claimant's signs state a £60 charge yet their PCN is for £100.  7.4  As well as the £100 parking charge, the Claimant seeks recovery of an additional £70.  This is simply a poor attempt to circumvent the legal costs cap at small claims.  7.5 Since 2019, many County Courts have considered claims in excess of £100 to be an abuse of process leading to them being struck out ab initio. An example, in the Caernarfon Court in VCS v Davies, case No. FTQZ4W28 on 4th September 2019, District Judge Jones-Evans stated “Upon it being recorded that District Judge Jones- Evans has over a very significant period of time warned advocates (...) in many cases of this nature before this court that their claim for £60 is unenforceable in law and is an abuse of process and is nothing more than a poor attempt to go behind the decision of the Supreme Court v Beavis which inter alia decided that a figure of £160 as a global sum claimed in this case would be a penalty and not a genuine pre-estimate of loss and therefore unenforceable in law and if the practice continued, he would treat all cases as a claim for £160 and therefore a penalty and unenforceable in law it is hereby declared (…) the claim is struck out and declared to be wholly without merit and an abuse of process.”  7.6 In Claim Nos. F0DP806M and F0DP201T, District Judge Taylor echoed earlier General Judgment or Orders of District Judge Grand, stating ''It is ordered that the claim is struck out as an abuse of process. The claim contains a substantial charge additional to the parking charge which it is alleged the Defendant contracted to pay. This additional charge is not recoverabl15e under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4 nor with reference to the judgment in Parking Eye v Beavis. It is an abuse of process from the Claimant to issue a knowingly inflated claim for an additional sum which it is not entitled to recover. This order has been made by the court of its own initiative without a hearing pursuant to CPR Rule 3.3(4)) of the Civil Procedure Rules 1998...''  7.7 In the persuasive case of G4QZ465V - Excel Parking Services Ltd v Wilkinson – Bradford County Court -2 July 2020 (Exhibit 4) the judge had decided that Excel had won. However, due to Excel adding on the £60 the Judge dismissed the case.  7.8        The addition of costs not previously specified on signage are also in breach of the Consumer Rights Act 2015, Schedule 2, specifically paras 6, 10 and 14.   7.9        It is the Defendant’s position that the Claimant in this case has knowingly submitted inflated costs and thus the entire claim should be similarly struck out in accordance with Civil Procedure Rule 3.3(4).   In Conclusion   8.1        I invite the court to dismiss the claim.  Statement of Truth  I believe that the facts stated in this witness statement are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.   
    • Well the difference is that in all our other cases It was Kev who was trying to entrap the motorist so sticking two fingers up to him and daring him to try court was from a position of strength. In your case, sorry, you made a mistake so you're not in the position of strength.  I've looked on Google Maps and the signs are few & far between as per Kev's MO, but there is an entrance sign saying "Pay & Display" (and you've admitted in writing that you knew you had to pay) and the signs by the payment machines do say "Sea View Car Park" (and you've admitted in writing you paid the wrong car park ... and maybe outed yourself as the driver). Something I missed in my previous post is that the LoC is only for one ticket, not two. Sorry, but it's impossible to definitively advise what to so. Personally I'd probably gamble on Kev being a serial bottler of court and reply with a snotty letter ridiculing the signage (given you mentioned the signage in your appeal) - but it is a gamble.  
    • No! What has happened is that your pix were up-to-date: 5 hours' maximum stay and £100 PCN. The lazy solicitors have sent ancient pictures: 4 hours' maximum stay and £60 PCN. Don't let on!  Let them be hoisted by their own lazy petard in the court hearing (if they don't bottle before).
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Unfortunately I still can't really make it put enough to give clearer advice on it, except that it clearly states it is an application form, is there a 'Right to cancel' box on there?

 

Thanks for having a look.

 

Yes there is a box marked "Your Right To Cancel"

 

It goes on....Once you have signed this agreement you will have for a short time a right to cancel it. Exact details of how and when I can do this will be sent to you by post by the bank.

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Then IMO it is unenforceable, however please wait until someone who knows about CCA's and what they are talking about confirms this for you.

That just confirms that it is an application form and not the actual agreement, as on the agreement they 'would' or 'should' have sent you it will clearly state on it that you have a right to cancel within X amount of days.

Who ever heard of someone getting a job at the Jobcentre? The unemployed are sent there as penance for their sins, not to help them find work!

 

 

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Then IMO it is unenforceable, however please wait until someone who knows about CCA's and what they are talking about confirms this for you.

That just confirms that it is an application form and not the actual agreement, as on the agreement they 'would' or 'should' have sent you it will clearly state on it that you have a right to cancel within X amount of days.

 

 

Cheers for that.

 

The box "Your Right To Cancel" is on the lower right of the application form.Just above where it was signed by me. Above which is another box confirming that the info given by myself is true etc, and this box appears to have been writtten or signed on by someone called Hogan ??

 

There is nothing on the rear of the application relating to cancelling the agreement.

 

I will standby for someone else to give me their opinion.

 

I seem to think that a true copy of a CCA should be A4 in size?

 

Thanks again...Nice avatar...RA??

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Hello All,

 

Well it`s been a while since I posted regarding my problems with LINK.

 

Until mid-January 2011 I had not heard from them since early May last year.

 

Anyway in mid-January 2011 I recieved a call from their office in South Wales.

 

They wanted me to go for a Full and Final Settlement - I told them that as I had not received a true copy off of the CCA I was still in dispute with them.

 

The woman on the phone said one would be sent, and that she would get back in touch and look at a Full and Final Settlement.

 

On 18 January 2011 I recieved 2 x photocopied A4 sheets from LINK. One showing the "Priority Application Form" and the other the "Terms and Conditions" . Exactly the same as the photo copied form that they sent me in May 2010, except that now its on two sheets of paper !!!

 

Its now nearly two months since LINK phoned me. I have had no further contact with them either by phone or in writing !!!

 

I would have thought that IF my account was enforcable that they would have been contacting me way before January 2011 - if it were. After all its an 8 month gap between sending a document that they claims fulfils their obligations.

 

Add to this the fact that they haven`t contacted me since they sent the A4 sheets in January 2011 - which would also seem to indicate that the agreement is not enforcable !??

 

Your thoughts please.

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.....and so the saga continues !!

 

A few weeks ago I had a letter from a company called Elmswood - Which is part of LINK Outsourcing. The letter offered me a discount if I started to make payments again. As I do not beleive the agreement is enforcable I ignored it.

 

Anyway, today I have had a letter from LINK threatening court action if I do not contact them within 14 days.

 

I`m not sure if this a bluff on their part or not - after all the account has been in dispute for 18 months.

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Hello doodlesack, just gone back over your thread to refresh my memory.

 

As this has been going on for so long now, the goal posts have moved, in their favour unfortunately.

 

The enforceability argument has been eroded somewhat due to the likes of rankine etc, so this shouldn't be relied upon as a solid defence.

However there is a thread on here which goes into some detail about how you can question reconstituted agreements and fight back. (They are now allowed to send recon agreements and have successfully used them in court to win)

 

Have you been able to learn how to post up your scans yet??

 

What does the letter from link say? If you can't scan and post it up, then if you can type out their exact words, less for your details etc.

 

Do they still use the words 'may' 'if' 'possible'?

Who ever heard of someone getting a job at the Jobcentre? The unemployed are sent there as penance for their sins, not to help them find work!

 

 

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Thanks for the reply Bazooka Boo. Hope the scans (above) are bigger?

 

 

I cant say I have heard of Rankine and I dont know anything about recon agreements - a little research needed on my part there !!

 

 

 

The letter reads:

 

LETTER BEFORE COURT ACTION

 

Link outsourcing limited has attempted to recover the outstanding balance from you but has however been unsuccessful.

 

County Court Proceedings will now be issued against you without further notice. We shall obtain and enforce a couty court judgement against you.This may affect your ability to obtain credit in the future.

 

You should be aware that where applicable contractual interest will continue to be charged on the outstanding balance until the debt has been fully repaid. although we will not ask you to pay anymore than the amount you would have paid if you had continued to pay your account as per the original terms of the agreement.

 

You may be liable for the costs of any action we take and statutory interest will accrue on your account at 8% for the full period. We will also impose a maximum fee of £130.00 which you will be liable for.

 

IF YOU WISH TO PREVENT THIS COURSE OF ACTION PAYMENT MUST BE RECEIVED IN FULL WITHIN THE 14 DAY PERIOD.PLEASE CONTACT AN OFFICER ON 02920 808698 AS A MATTER OF URGENCY

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You'd be forgiven in thinking that they do this as a matter of routine and no-one defends their claims? "We will obtain and enforce county court judgement against you" Really? Are you seriously that confident?

 

Time to hit them with the big boys guns I believe, a CPR request for exactly what documents they hold in order to rely on in court and win this CCJ...

Who ever heard of someone getting a job at the Jobcentre? The unemployed are sent there as penance for their sins, not to help them find work!

 

 

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I deal with Commercial Contract Law for a living, from the Right ( Truthful Side) and under the Contracts ( Rights of 3rd Parties Acts) they have no call on you for this.. .It goes a bit deeper than that, & am happy to help you with this, but in Essence, thats the bottom line.

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CPR 31.14 is a request for them to provide you with all of the details/paperwork they intend to use against you in court, less of a request, more of a demand, it simply tells them that you are not one of the sheep, and you will fight them every step of the way. (And in most cases win!)

Who ever heard of someone getting a job at the Jobcentre? The unemployed are sent there as penance for their sins, not to help them find work!

 

 

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Cheers for the replies.

 

So what did you make of the "Priority Application Form" / Terms and Conditions ??

 

Would that actually be considered as an agreement and more importantly would they be able to enforce it ??

 

Here they are again:

 

CCALARGE1740.jpg picture by jonesyboyo - Photobucket

 

http://s160.photobucket.com/albums/t...ALARGE2741.jpg

 

 

......and by the way Link have now started to to phone me at home !

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I wouldn't like to defend solely on the enforceability issue, you will be better pushing water up hill, the enforceability of paperwork is now as old as the wheel, they have been lucky and have managed to shift the goal posts, in their favour, you will need more than that to defend unfortunately.

Who ever heard of someone getting a job at the Jobcentre? The unemployed are sent there as penance for their sins, not to help them find work!

 

 

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I wouldn't like to defend solely on the enforceability issue, you will be better pushing water up hill, the enforceability of paperwork is now as old as the wheel, they have been lucky and have managed to shift the goal posts, in their favour, you will need more than that to defend unfortunately.

 

 

Ok thanks for the info.

 

Reading between the lines, if they have all the paperwork it looks like I`m up the creek without a paddle !:???:

 

Dispite what davehayes has said I am considering sending a CPR.

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Can I still send a CPR even though they are only threatening court action at this stage ?

 

Oh yes without a shadow of doubt, this is often the favourite ploy of Bryan 'bloody' Carter, then when he receives the CPR request he soon scurries back off into his cave and hands it back to whoever is desperate enough for a suck on a lemon.

 

The CPR request, is telling them to provide you with all of the documents they intend to rely on in court to enforce a judgement, it costs you nothing less for the price of recorded delivery 1st class, and it may have the desired effect that they do indeed realise that they have nothing to put before a court, therefore will stop threatening legal action and actually behave like adults.

Who ever heard of someone getting a job at the Jobcentre? The unemployed are sent there as penance for their sins, not to help them find work!

 

 

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Oh yes without a shadow of doubt, this is often the favourite ploy of Bryan 'bloody' Carter, then when he receives the CPR request he soon scurries back off into his cave and hands it back to whoever is desperate enough for a suck on a lemon.

 

The CPR request, is telling them to provide you with all of the documents they intend to rely on in court to enforce a judgement, it costs you nothing less for the price of recorded delivery 1st class, and it may have the desired effect that they do indeed realise that they have nothing to put before a court, therefore will stop threatening legal action and actually behave like adults.

 

 

 

Right cheers for the info.......Can you give this the once over please ?

 

 

 

 

Dear Sirs

 

REQUEST FOR INFORMATION

 

I refer to your letter dated 25th August 2011.

 

Please treat this letter as my request made under CPR 31.14 for the disclosure and the production of a verified and legible copy of each of the following document(s) mentioned.

 

The information must be furnished within fourteen days of the receipt of this letter. If you fail to comply, this will be reported to the Court, a copy of this letter will be provided as evidence to the same and an Order enforcing your compliance will be sought.

 

1. A true copy of the executed credit agreement that applied to the account at the time of default and at the time the account was opened.

 

 

2. All records you hold on me relevant to this case, including but not limited to:

 

a. Transcriptions of all telephone conversations recorded and any notes made in relation to telephone conversations by your company, or by any previous creditor.

 

 

b. Where there has been any event in my account history over this period which has required manual intervention by any person, I require disclosure of any indication or notes which have either caused or resulted in that manual intervention, or other evidence of that manual intervention in relation to my account formerly held with MNBA.

 

 

c. True copies of any notice of assignment and/or default notice or enforcement notice that you or the original creditor sent me, with a copy of any proof of postage that you hold.

 

 

d. Documents relating to any insurance added to the account, including the insurance contract and the terms and conditions, date it was added and deleted (if applicable).

 

 

e. Details of any collection charge added to the account; specifically, the date it was levied, the amount of the charge, a detailed financial breakdown of how the charge was calculated, and what the charge covers.

 

 

f. Specific details of the fees/charges levied by any other agency in respect of this account and a detailed breakdown of said fees/charges and what each charge relates to and on what date said fees/charges were levied.

 

 

g. A genuine copy of any notice of fair use of my data as required by the Data Protection Act 1998.

 

h. A list of third party agencies to which you have disclosed my personal data and a summary of the nature of the information you have disclosed.

 

 

i. Copies of statements for the entire duration of the credit agreement.

 

3. Any other documents you seek to rely on in court.

 

 

I will require this information within the next fourteen days. I must advise you that if the information is not forthcoming, it will be reported to the Court that you are trying to frustrate proceedings and denying me the opportunity to file a defence and counter claim.

 

Yours sincerely,

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