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I emailed a few other printers to ask them to keep a look out for some images but I soon realised this would be impossible to police.  The only option really would be to buy a print from him and check the stamp on the back of it.  I finally managed to get hold of on the prints on sale, and sure enough, he did not order it through me.   In the contract he signed in 2022 it explicitly states that he must destroy all files I had previously sent him etc etc so e is in breach of that.  When I drew up the contract, I was careful to make sure it was legally binding, but before I let rip at him, I need to know where I stand.  The contract is here: PARTIES This WHOLESALE AGREEMENT (“Agreement”) is made effective as of 30th June, 2022, by and between ############################## The Supplier and the Client, collectively referred to as the "Parties," hereby agree to the following terms: TERMS AND CONDITIONS SALES OF GOODS The Supplier agrees to provide the following goods to the Client (“Goods”): Description of Goods ################################# Doc ID: 3d54c1d336d8780243801e0e068ebd33114b088b BOTH PARTIES AGREE: The Client purchases the Goods through the Supplier directly, and agrees to delete/destroy any previously held digital images (Goods) owned by the Supplier, and agrees not to use any such files for monetary gain, outside of this agreement, either directly or through a third party from immediate effect of this agreement. The Client purchases the other materials necessary for resale of the Goods independently of this agreement. The Client shall have exclusive rights for resale of Goods at ###########, and also with permission, as a retailer of the Goods elsewhere, provided that there is no conflict of interest between the Supplier and the Client. The Client is free to decide their own retail prices, for the Goods. The Supplier shall use #####  to provide the printed Goods on Fujifilm Crystal Archive paper, with Lustre finish, and will not use any other Printer unless #### cease to trade, without prior approval from the Client. The Supplier shall not impose restrictions on size or frequency of orders made by the Client. The prices provided by the Supplier shall not increase for a minimum of 3 years, unless the prices of the raw materials rise, in which case the client will be informed immediately. Any discounts/promotional prices of raw materials shall be passed on to the Client by the Supplier, and the invoice will show adjustments for this, as well as credit for return postage of any damaged goods. This agreement can be terminated by the Client without notice; the Supplier must give notice of no less than 90 days, unless the terms of the agreement are breached, in which case, the agreement can be terminated with immediate effect. PAYMENT Orders must be paid for upon receipt of invoice, via Bank transfer: ######### Doc ID: 3d54c1d336d8780243801e0e068ebd33114b088b DELIVERY AND INSPECTIONS All orders received by 12.00am (midnight) shall be processed by the Supplier the following working day and delivery of order shall arrive in accordance with the Royal Mail schedule, or DPD, should express delivery be requested. The Client shall be liable for the delivery charge which shall be added to the invoice. The Goods will be delivered to the address specified by the Client. The Client shall be provided with order tracking, and should any problems arise with the ordering system or the couriers (Royal Mail, DPD), the Client shall be informed without delay of any such issues. The Client will inspect the Goods and report any defects or damage to the Goods in transit as soon as possible upon receipt of Goods, and will retain damaged Goods for return to Supplier for refund/replacement. GENERAL PROVISIONS CONFIDENTIALITY The prices of the Goods and other information contained in this Agreement is confidential and will not be disclosed by either party unless with prior written consent of the other party. INDEMNIFICATION The Client indemnifies the Supplier from any claims, liabilities, and expenses made by any third party vendors or customers of the Client. GOVERNING LAW This Agreement will be governed by and construed in accordance with UK Law. ACCEPTANCE Both parties understand and accept the wholesale arrangement stipulated under this Agreement. Doc ID: 3d54c1d336d8780243801e0e068ebd33114b088b IN WITNESS WHEREOF, each of the Parties has executed this Wholesale Agreement as of the day and year set forth above.   Signed by us both electronically.   I haven't broached any of this yet, and I am looking for some advice about what action to take.  The main issue I've got is that he has still go those images.  If I terminate the contract, I will need to know that he no longer has those images and I can't think of a bulletproof way to do this. I'm thinking I might tell him I will continue with the contract but ask for a  sum in damages and say that if I find out he's still doing it down the line I will terminate the contract and sue him for damages. The damages side of things I'm not sure how it would work as he is self employed, and I'm positive he doesn't declare all of his earnings to HMRC, in order to find out how much I have lost, would the court demand to go through his tax self assessments?  I'm not sure how to proceed with this, I don't want to lose that place as an outlet as it is in a prime spot in London, which is why I let him have those images in the first place as I would have had to pull out altogether at that point.  I am regretting it somewhat now though.  Please help.
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Well I honestly did not think it would come to this, but this looks like my only option. I have £10,000 owed to the Inland Revenue due to a tax investigation that they carried out on me in 2007.

 

About £10,000 in credit card debt, £6000 on an agreed OD facility that I have with the 'unhelpful' banking bank

 

£3000 in other loans, plus £800 on council tax arrears, £500 or so on gas & electric, £300 on mobile phone and a couple of other bits and bobs, total ammount is +£30,000 give or take.

 

Without going into the full reasons for my bankcrupy, I can say that my issue here is compounded by the fact the rescession has almost ruined my business, and the inland revenue, and natwest are getting nasty and I dont seem to have any other options open to me, its simply a matter of time before one of my creditors makes me bankrupt, or I just get it over with myself.

 

I am very scared, and worried that I will be evicted from my home( i rent from a private landlord) and will be unable to carry out basic tasks like continue to trade my business, and pay my rent and basic bills.

 

I did have a sports car, i sold that last year to survive, the money lasted 4 months, i dont have a house on very little assets. My work van is worth less than £1000.

 

I am making just about enoigh to cover my basics, and its not enought to clear my debts, plus creditors are getting nasty and want something done, I simply dont have the money spare, and the business is not growing fast enough to cover them.

 

Due to the ammount of charges my 'unhelpfull' banking bank were putting on my account, I re-openend a basic account with lloyds TSB with no OD facility. I have given my customers the bank details for payments into this account, and have already had to ask them to change their payment details once, im afraid that I might loose some customers if i have to yet again change bank details for payment info.

 

I owe Lloyds TSB no money at all, so will that account stay open?

 

im really scared.....:evil::(

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I'm not an expert, but I would sit and prioritise your debts. The ones you can not get out of paying and those that can wait. Write to the ones who can wait, saying you have some priority debts and they have to put a stop on your acounts for 3-6m. Then write to those which are priorities with a plan.

Obviously you need to get some money in which does not seem like it is going to come via your business. So look at other ways to bring in an income fast. Like selling non-essential items to raise the funds to clear the priority debts fast. If you have a spare room then rent it out - if it is in a good city location, rent it by the night, rather than by the month, and you will get more money faster. If not in a city, then still rent a room for a few months. Or even your room, and you sleep on the couch or with a friend for free. Anything to get some £s in fast. Or give up your rental and take a gamble on getting a bigger house and then sublet rooms in it, if possible, for more £s..

You say you don't own a house or have assets - but you still need a roof over your head and don't let anyone strip you down any further. I would let the fear drive you to survive and fight, not collapse....

Good night

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Hi.

 

The Inland Revenue made me BR for £12k in November 08.

Its relatively painless, and with no assets, you wont regret it.

Like you, i am Self Employed and have carried on as if nothing has happened. I still earn crap money, so they never got a penny:D.

That will teach them to be unreasonable.

After the initial interview where in all honesty, you have to justify your reasons, i think i have only had 2 letters since. The second being an Income and expenditure form for them to assess any payment plan.

Have a word with your landlord and see how they feel about it.

If you feel this is your best option, go for it.

 

The only scary part is the not knowing. Now i know, there is no reason to be scared.

 

Best wishes. Keep us informed.

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HMRC threatened several times to make me bankrupt. They must have eventually realised that, in my case, it wouldn't achieve anything at all so they didn't do it. I suppose they were being 'responsible' in not wasting taxpayer funds.

 

I have asked a number of creditors - as well as HMRC - to petition for my bankruptcy. All have refused. I guess it's when I say "Please will you make me bankrupt? I can't afford it myself and no-one else will do it" they realise I'm a lost cause...

 

Anyway, to get back on topic, any assets you have are apportioned pro rata to all creditors. In your case HMRC might get something back but it definitely won't be all they are looking for. It might even be nothing at all.

However they will have had to fork out around £1600 for the privilege of petitioning for your bankruptcy in the first place.

 

On the other hand they have a statutory obligation to recover monies due (or attempt to do so) so they might just go ahead.

 

As a general comment to those in your (and my) position : the banks seem to think that they can cause a recession and then blame it on you. Not an ounce of contrition or remorse. Instead they adopt a hostile and agressive approach to collecting on debts which, in my case, has proved wholly counter-productive.

I really do appreciate all those 'thank you' emails - I'm glad I've been able to help. Apologies if I haven't acknowledged all of them.

You can also ding my gong if you prefer. :)

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