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    • Thank-you dx, What you have written is certainly helpful to my understanding. The only thing I would say, what I found to be most worrying and led me to start this discussion is, I believe the judge did not merely admonish the defendant in the case in question, but used that point to dismiss the case in the claimants favour. To me, and I don't have your experience or knowledge, that is somewhat troubling. Again, the caveat being that we don't know exactly what went on but I think we can infer the reason for the judgement. Thank-you for your feedback. EDIT: I guess that the case I refer to is only one case and it may never happen again and the strategy not to appeal is still the best strategy even in this event, but I really did find the outcome of that case, not only extremely annoying but also worrying. Let's hope other judges are not quite so narrow minded and don't get fixated on one particular issue as FTMDave alluded to.
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    • the claimant in their WS can refer to whatever previous CC judgements they like, as we do in our WS's, but CC judgements do not set a legal precedence. however, they do often refer to judgements like Bevis, those cases do created a precedence as they were court of appeal rulings. as for if the defendant, prior to the raising of a claim, dobbed themselves in as the driver in writing during any appeal to the PPC, i don't think we've seen one case whereby the claimant referred to such in their WS.. ?? but they certainly typically include said appeal letters in their exhibits. i certainly dont think it's a good idea to 'remind' them of such at the defence stage, even if the defendant did admit such in a written appeal. i would further go as far to say, that could be even more damaging to the whole case than a judge admonishing a defendant for not appealing to the PPC in the 1st place. it sort of blows the defendant out the water before the judge reads anything else. dx  
    • Hi LFI, Your knowledge in this area is greater than I could possibly hope to have and as such I appreciate your feedback. I'm not sure that I agree the reason why a barrister would say that, only to get new customers, I'm sure he must have had professional experience in this area that qualifies him to make that point. 🙂 In your point 1 you mention: 1] there is a real danger that some part of the appeal will point out that the person appealing [the keeper ] is also the driver. I understand the point you are making but I was referring to when the keeper is also the driver and admits it later and only in this circumstance, but I understand what you are saying. I take on board the issues you raise in point 2. Is it possible that a PPC (claimant) could refer back to the case above as proof that the motorist should have appealed, like they refer back to other cases? Thanks once again for the feedback.
    • Well barristers would say that in the hope that motorists would go to them for advice -obviously paid advice.  The problem with appealing is at least twofold. 1] there is a real danger that some part of the appeal will point out that the person appealing [the keeper ] is also the driver.  And in a lot of cases the last thing the keeper wants when they are also the driver is that the parking company knows that. It makes it so much easier for them as the majority  of Judges do not accept that the keeper and the driver are the same person for obvious reasons. Often they are not the same person especially when it is a family car where the husband, wife and children are all insured to drive the same car. On top of that  just about every person who has a valid insurance policy is able to drive another person's vehicle. So there are many possibilities and it should be up to the parking company to prove it to some extent.  Most parking company's do not accept appeals under virtually any circumstances. But insist that you carry on and appeal to their so called impartial jury who are often anything but impartial. By turning down that second appeal, many motorists pay up because they don't know enough about PoFA to argue with those decisions which brings us to the second problem. 2] the major parking companies are mostly unscrupulous, lying cheating scrotes. So when you appeal and your reasons look as if they would have merit in Court, they then go about  concocting a Witness Statement to debunk that challenge. We feel that by leaving what we think are the strongest arguments to our Member's Witness Statements, it leaves insufficient time to be thwarted with their lies etc. And when the motorists defence is good enough to win, it should win regardless of when it is first produced.   
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In laws having serious problems with talk talk...

 

Realise from here and also MSE that it is more than likely that we are not going to get it resolved...

 

So, if we get someone else to fix the problem (or at least come out and look at said problem, maybe file a report, fix it...) and then bill us, could we then take talk talk to the small claims court to recope money?

 

Or am I just soooo simple that I think this will work?? :D

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Have they tried their "member forum"? (nice people there... they tweek my line whenever I ask, and within the next working day!)

 

Out of interest, what is the problem?

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Right, now I've actually spoken to inlaws face to face I have the full story...

 

used to be with BT and they paid them years ago to install upstairs sockets - not another line, simply another 2 boxes upstairs, coming from the outside box. 1 is used for a phone and the other is now used for broadband.

They are now with talk talk. They had a problem on the downstairs line so called talk talk who arranged with BT to send out an engineer to check it out. The engineer didn't come in the house, only fiddled with the outside box. Since this was fixed the upstairs sockets have stopped working.

Talk talk have refused to send another engineer out but won't say why. BT won't send anyone out because they claim that talk talk have put a block on the line. Talk talk say they haven't...

 

We were going to have a look at the outside box this evening, but it was pitch black and raining...oh and to be honest we don't really know what we are looking at!!!!!!

 

Has anyone got any ideas??

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Sure you will get a reply from someone more knowledgable than myself, but AFAIK wiring from BT only goes as far as one master socket, and the wiring leading to your inlaws master socket can only be looked at by BT Openreach. Internal extentions and the likes are down to the householders to deal with. (although BT Openreach do deal with them, however they will charge a fortune!)

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Right, but if the upstairs sockets worked until BT opened the outside box to "fix" the downstairs line, and then magically stopped working wouldn't this indicate that something happened at the outside box?

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I think they have disconnected the upstairs line as you are only supposed to have 1 master socket in your house, everything leading up to that is the property and responsibility of BT Openreach. Again, there are much more knowledgeable people than me that frequent this site, so hopefully someone will post either confirming my suspicion or giving some accurate info :p

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See I tend to agree with you, that they have disconnected the upstairs sockets, but I am struggling to see why??

Also can Talk Talk block the line?

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by the sound of it the fix is simple

 

can you get a pic of the inside of the box outside and . remove the plates upstairs and get pics of them, and post and post all three

 

also does the wiring to upstairs run out side

 

what should have happened the extension wirring to upstairs should have run from the main socket downstairs

 

1 of 2 things has happened

 

1) engineer who put extensions in broke install regs and run upstairs in parallel with the the one downstairs I.E, used another master socket ( NT5 ) ( can be fixed )

 

2) he ran from user side of the main connetions to out side box then upstairs , wiring to upstairs could be faulty from there

 

the fault you have the wiring in the outside box has been tampered with / or is faulty, with the pics I should be able to tell you what is wrong and how to repair it

 

if the outside as in 1) then in theory you have the right to demand BT fix it

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looks good.

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Rightio my lovelies...I will visit inlaws tomorrow with camera, and take required photos for uploading...

 

thank you very much...I even tried to log on to the talk talk members forum (at the request of FIL cos he simply can't deal with them by phone anymore) and its not accepting his telephone and account number as valid...it seems they can't quite do anything right can they??

 

See you tomorrow! ;)

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Evening all...

 

here we go...

 

Some further answers:

 

The wiring runs inside the house not outside, as in from the outside box there is only 1 wire going inside.

 

There is only 1 socket upstairs, not 2 as originally thought.

 

Look forward to hearing from you!!:)

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it looks like the orange pair in the first box have been cut , which could have fed upstairs

 

what wires are in the box upstairs is ot pic 3

 

all you need to do is put the 3 wires from upstairs into the main downstairs pins 2 * 3 * 5 on both using same colour for each pin

 

pic 3 looks like they put green + white on 3 it should be orange + white

 

if you look @ the pic I posted showing master - etn ignore second etn

 

you dont need 4th wire

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Kiptower, we are going to write this down and back over there tomorrow or Friday to try and sort it out.

 

Sorry to be thick here, are you saying that even if the orange wires in the outside box have been cut we can still rectify the problem by rewiring the upstairs socket?

 

Yes, pic 3 is the upstairs socket - sorry couldn't get a good picture of it.

 

Would you like an appreciative scales click???????? :D

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ignore outside box just connect as i said the upstairs to the downstairs wire by wire , pin to pin number , unless the cable from downstairs to upstairs has been damaged it should be ok , was the down stairs socket the same as upstairs or is it larger and in 2 parts

 

see details in link below regarding NT5 box

 

UK Telephone Wiring

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Rightio, will do!

Can't answer your question about the downstairs inside socket being the same as the upstairs cos to be honest we didn't look at the downstairs one!

 

I'll send this through to hubby to digest in work tomorrow - and hopefully we'll sort it out.

 

Really appreciate you taking the time to help...will report back over the next few days.

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